Matt Araiza

[teef]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Which is the biggest problem.  It will never stop. Ever.  Billions of people.  Thousands  of journalists and wannabe’s.  
 

Regarding this case, I didn’t pay attention to what the journalists were saying.  If you think they (journalists and wannabe’s) should suffer reputational consequences, then you should get the ball rolling. 
 

I couldn’t care less tbh.  I’ve (sadly)  accepted that this is now the world that we know live and things will likely only get worse in many aspects of life that are heavily influenced by social media.  I’m not a world changer. I’m a my life protector.  

the bolded line is exactly where i'm evolving too.  at this point i can rant and complain the way things are, but on a personal level i'm not going to change anything.  now i just protect the people i need to look out for, and hope for the best.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

How many people here think Dashaun Watson is guilty?

To quote Tom Cruise from a Few Good Men: 

"It doesn't matter what you believe. It only matters what you can prove."

[zow2]

I predicted Araiza would be kicking within a year for some team like the Raiders, Cards, etc..  We shall see. 

 

I mean the Bills were under too much heat in the moment, they had to release the guy.  I understand it...but even at the time the case against him and the timing of it all seemed shady.

[John from Riverside]

12 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He most definitely should 

What is he going to sue them for re

The bills or under no obligation to keep him on the team whenever they draft him, they can cut him for any reason

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

To quote Tom Cruise from a Few Good Men: 

"It doesn't matter what you believe. It only matters what you can prove."

I’m just saying, we’re taught to believe the accuser.

[StHustle]

What about all the backlash the Bills got for knowing about the situation before the media and not cutting him immediately?

 

Turns out ol Beane was on point!

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, teef said:

the bolded line is exactly where i'm evolving too.  at this point i can rant and complain the way things are, but on a personal level i'm not going to change anything.  now i just protect the people i need to look out for, and hope for the best.

 

 

Yup.  Protect your bubble.  That’s all we have atm.  
 

Maybe if a flock of the biggest social media influencers got together and started a movement, it could have an impact and start the ball rolling.  It’s crazy how many people live 90% of their awake lives on social media.  That’s where the change needs to begin imo

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m just saying, we’re taught to believe the accuser.

Then you need to be re-taught. (respectfully)

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It may not be unreasonable to ask those billions of people to stop being villains….. but it is unreasonable to think that those billions of people are going to change.  

 

Cancel culture sucks- but how do we fox this?

Question, if a female in your family said she was raped would you say ok, let’s see the actual proof? Let’s get his side of story?

 

The reason people react the way they do to sexual assault is because so many people have been assaulted. Many times charges are never filed or dismissed.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m just saying, we’re taught to believe the accuser.

Idk-  innocent until proven guilty rings louder than anything in my mind. 
 

but I’m 48.  Maybe the younger generation was taught something different. Idk

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Then you need to be re-taught. (respectfully)

Don’t believe the accuser?

[Heavy Kevi]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

My opinion was wrong. Public opinion is often wrong. That’s why it should be illegal to release accused names before charges are filed.

 

Wow. Credit given

 

"My opinion was wrong" is probably the least used phrase on the internet. I'm surprised your keyboard wasn't confused, I figured it would autocorrect to something like "you're an idiot", but alas...

 

Personally I think we rush to judgement way too fast, and ruining this kids arc was just another in a long line of pathetic internet personalities legitimately decimating real world people. I'm not labeling you as that, but it's really easy to go along with the crowd, and that's a big reason why this board is my only "social media".

 

I'm close to the camp of we should be the team to resign him and do our part to undo this single injustice. That's all we can do. One post at a time, one restoration of justice at a time, and move the needle ever so slightly back to sanity and understanding. And ffs the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Somehow the burden of proof has to shift back to prosecution, instead of the accused. So many frivolous cases (from Gwyneth paltrow to Ed Sheeran, to Araiza all civil cases) we need to learn our lesson as a society and stop trying to ruin people for sport.

 

That all said I don't neccesarily blame beane and co for cutting ties. But the fact that Araiza one day was "punt god" and next day was "a rapist" with no due process is terrifying. Anyone could be next.

[phypon]

Interesting that the posters who got this wrong can't take accountability and instead are making excuses as to why they thought what they thought and blaming others.  "If they didn't release the names I would have thought differently.  It's their fault, not mine for thinking the way I did".  Another poster saying something about blaming other people's trauma (not even people in this case) and that's what led him to his conclusion.  Give me a friggin' break.  Own your mistakes and use this as a personal learning experience.  Take some accountability instead of doubling down.  Those posters are only making themselves look idiotic.  Pathetic.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Don’t believe the accuser?

That is correct. That is NOT how our system works. It is up to the accuser to PROVE that what they are claiming is true. Not the other way around. 

[phypon]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m just saying, we’re taught to believe the accuser.

You need to learn how to think, not what to think based on what others say. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

Interesting that the posters who got this wrong can't take accountability and instead are making excuses as to why they thought what they thought and blaming others.  "If they didn't release the names I would have thought differently.  It's their fault, not mine for thinking the way I did".  Another poster saying something about blaming other people's trauma (not even people in this case) and that's what led him to his conclusion.  Give me a friggin' break.  Own your mistakes and use this as a personal learning experience.  Take some accountability instead of doubling down.  Those posters are only making themselves look idiotic.  Pathetic.

Opinions aren’t mistakes. They are opinions for a reason.

[phypon]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Opinions aren’t mistakes. They are opinions for a reason.

Until your opinion is factually proven wrong and yet such a person still argues that the facts are wrong.  That's essentially gaslighting.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

You need to learn how to think, not what to think based on what others say. 

 That’s exactly what happens in an investigation. The Bills didn’t have the benefit of waiting for the investigation to complete.

[Shemp]

In our once-fair country, it's now guilty before proven innocent. Things are now inverted. But don't worry, we have Satanist clubs in primary schools, so there's hope for the future. 😒

[Utah John]

No one in this matter did anything wrong except the lying girl who might have ruined the man's life and career. 

 

I hope he sues HER for damages. 

 

When the Bills cut Araiza, they didn't trash him or say they believed he was guilty.  It's possible Araiza would accept the situation and return to the Bills, if they want him.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That is correct. That is NOT how our system works. It is up to the accuser to PROVE that what they are claiming is true. Not the other way around. 

Question. Why is the accuser’s name sealed but not the accused? We all know the answer but I’ll listen to you explanation.

[StHustle]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

But it was these accounts, the podcasters, these content creators that organized the online mafia mob.   They silenced all of us who cautioned patience and could have tempered the rage … they stoked it … for clout. 
 

We can’t control a national narrative, but our local influencers can be above it.  Clearly, they’ve shown, they’re not. 
 

Just about all of them cared more about how they would look to the masses if they didn’t take a stand against the young man, more than doing what was right. They all wanted to seem appalled and most went after the Bills for not cutting him soon as they found out as well as bashing the organization’s investigation and just assumed it was a failure when it was an absolute success.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Shemp said:

In our once-fair country, it's now guilty before proven innocent. Things are now inverted. But don't worry, we have Satanist clubs in primary schools, so there's hope for the future. 😒

It was fair for some people, definitely not all people. Also in the past rich could just control what was written so it was much easier to hide an investigation.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Question. Why is the accuser’s name sealed but not the accused? We all know the answer but I’ll listen to you explanation.

Huh?  Protecting the accuser is NOT the same as believing the accuser. However, I do not believe in protecting the accuser in all circumstances. When the accuser is a 'minor', or in the case of an employee there are reasons for those protections....but not in general.

[bigK14094]

Prosecutors: Former Bills punter Matt Araiza wasn't present during alleged gang rape (yahoo.com)  Tried to post the link but it didn't work.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Huh?  Protecting the accuser is NOT the same as believing the accuser. However, I do not believe in protecting the accuser in all circumstances. When the accuser is a 'minor', or in the case of an employee there are reasons for those protections....but not in general.

Protect the accuser from what exactly?

 

Its so obvious why accused names shouldn’t be released.

[NewEra]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Question, if a female in your family said she was raped would you say ok, let’s see the actual proof? Let’s get his side of story?

 

The reason people react the way they do to sexual assault is because so many people have been assaulted. Many times charges are never filed or dismissed.

If it were my mother, mother in law or my wife?  Those are the only women in my family that I’d take a bullet for. Of course I’d act irrationally.  I trust them indefinitely.  I KNOW their character.  
 

Other than them, aunts and cousins that I don’t know nearly as well….. I’d want to see proof in order to believe them 💯.  I wouldn’t ask them for proof…. But that’s what I would think in my mind. I’d feel sympathetic for sure.  
 

there are many women that I’ve worked with over the years that I consider my friends, whom I’d want to see proof in order to believe 💯 as well. 
 

I don’t see how your question has anything to do with the court of public opinion.  That’s where the problem lies. 

 

[bigK14094]

Just now, bigK14094 said:

Prosecutors: Former Bills punter Matt Araiza wasn't present during alleged gang rape (yahoo.com)  Tried to post the link but it didn't work.  

This is a detailed article if you can get to it.  Civil suit will continue and will fail but will be a trial.  

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

A Tweet says he has proof he was elsewhere.  There have been lots of things said on Twitter by both sides, lots of conjecture and lots of fact twisting by both sides.  There has also been a lot biased and misleading statements by “journalists” like Tim Graham who don’t understand the meaning of “direct quote” or who do understand it and purposely misuse it.

 

You’ll pardon me if I’d prefer more than a tweet as “proof”.

 

Edit:  I see now that there is more than just the Tweet and that the article offers more and seemingly objective information.  I would still disagree with your statement of fact that he has proof he wasn’t there.  He may very well have that proof but the article does not offer anything that constitutes objective truth.

 

It’s clear his reputation was ruined by the Bills?  Shirley.

People like yourself believed her. He will never get his reputation back by part of society because of this I’d sue everyone if I were in his shoes and let the chips fall where they may. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Protect the accuser from what exactly?

 

Its so obvious why accused names shouldn’t be released.

Protecting them from retaliation in the case of an employee for example. This simply cannot be that foreign of a concept to you.....is it? 

[Real McClappy]

I wouldn't mind a punter with a 69yard punt average through college on my team. 

 

Matt got bent over for false accusations.  

[SCBills]

Not gonna lie .. it’s going to be rough if another team signs him and he’s out there booming kicks for someone else.

 

Scrolling through Twitter as this story is becoming more and more known and I see fanbases from all over tweeting at their teams to sign him. 
 

I truly hope he gets signed this summer … just not to an AFC East team or KC/CIN. 
 

Edited May 9, 2023 by SCBills

[Franco_92]

6 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Prosecutors: Former Bills punter Matt Araiza wasn't present during alleged gang rape (yahoo.com)  Tried to post the link but it didn't work.  

It's in the first post in the thread lol

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

This is a detailed article if you can get to it.  Civil suit will continue and will fail but will be a trial.  

I’m not sure why she would follow through with a civil suit, whenever there are prosecutors saying that he wasn’t there what would the grounds of that civil suit be?
 

I’m just glad that he didn’t do it hoping that I get some semblance of his life back

[Franco_92]

Has anyone brought this up on WGR yet today?

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, Shemp said:

In our once-fair country, it's now guilty before proven innocent. Things are now inverted. But don't worry, we have Satanist clubs in primary schools, so there's hope for the future. 😒

I don’t think these “Satanist Clubs” are what you think they are. I wish they had them when my son was in school. 
 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/what-is-an-after-school-satan-club/amp/

 

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Don’t believe the accuser?

How about you believe the accuser when they’re proven to be telling the truth.  At least see some credible evidence?  
 

Until then, form your own opinion based on whatever you feel proper.  If you think it’s ok to make snap judgements based on someone’s word and participate in cancel culture based, that’s your right.  But it’s part of the problem.  In fact, it IS the problem now that everyone posts their opinion on social media for the world to see.  It’s a snowball effect based on one persons accusations.  
 

again-  innocent until proven guilty.  The judicial system has many flaws and gets a lot wrong- but I think the standard we are taught begins there.  Innocent until proven guilty.  In todays world, the accused are guilty until proven innocent.  As was with Araiza.  

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not gonna lie .. it’s going to be rough if another team signs him and he’s out there booming kicks for someone else.

 

Scrolling through Twitter as this story is becoming more and more known and I see fanbases from all over tweeting at their teams to sign him. 
 

I truly hope he gets signed this summer … just not to an AFC East team or KC/CIN. 
 

I’d be shocked if he’s not signed by TC.  Good for him.  Kid got railroaded.  
 

that said, we know he’ll end up with an AFC contender 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

How about you believe the accuser when they’re proven to be telling the truth.  At least see some credible evidence?  
 

Until then, form your own opinion based on whatever you feel proper.  If you think it’s ok to make snap judgements based on someone’s word and participate in cancel culture based, that’s your right.  But it’s part of the problem.  In fact, it IS the problem now that everyone posts their opinion on social media for the world to see.  It’s a snowball effect based on one persons accusations.  
 

again-  innocent until proven guilty.  The judicial system has many flaws and gets a lot wrong- but I think the standard we are taught begins there.  Innocent until proven guilty.  In todays world, the accused are guilty until proven innocent.  As was with Araiza.  

In the past many people have gotten away with it. That’s why the world is how it is today. 
 

Simple solution is seal the names. 

 

[SCBills]

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

How about you believe the accuser when they’re proven to be telling the truth.  At least see some credible evidence?  
 

Until then, form your own opinion based on whatever you feel proper.  If you think it’s ok to make snap judgements based on someone’s word and participate in cancel culture based, that’s your right.  But it’s part of the problem.  In fact, it IS the problem now that everyone posts their opinion on social media for the world to see.  It’s a snowball effect based on one persons accusations.  
 

again-  innocent until proven guilty.  The judicial system has many flaws and gets a lot wrong- but I think the standard we are taught begins there.  Innocent until proven guilty.  In todays world, the accused are guilty until proven innocent.  As was with Araiza.  

 

I agree. And the undignified social media pile on means they are not just perceived as guilty but they are often punished as if guilt is proven even where it isn't. 

 

I have to be careful what I say now on public fora given my current role, but I worry we have (for often well meaning reasons) stripped away the clinical objectivity that you need in a criminal justice system to create something akin to a victim justice system. It is a dangerous road IMO.