TSW Mock Draft 3.0 Poll - Who should the Bills take at #27

[Teddy KGB]

Where’s the Jordan Addison option at ? 

[Prospector]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

JOHN MICHAEL SCHMITZ

 

or the trade back with Arizona for DHOP, and can probably pick up JMS/Tippman/Wypler at 34.

 

Bills fans are nuts if they are voting Flowers. Another too-small Parrish/McKenzie.

I like that pick, and I agree with you on Flowers

[Visent]

If we decide to do the trade that includes Oliver. How do we replace Oliver?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Where’s the Jordan Addison option at ? 

Chargers selected the Jordan Addison option at 21

[NeverOutNick]

14 minutes ago, Visent said:

If we decide to do the trade that includes Oliver. How do we replace Oliver?

We select Bresee at pick 34. Then take our O lineman in the second round 

[DrDawkinstein]

17 minutes ago, Visent said:

If we decide to do the trade that includes Oliver. How do we replace Oliver?

 

Lot of DT/DL talent in this draft. Grab one in Rd 2 or Rd 3.

Edited April 26, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[mrags]

If we don’t reach 51% on any option do we start a new poll with the highest 2 option?

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

We select Bresee at pick 34. Then take our O lineman in the second round 

Bresee might be there. He could go in the first. Hell, if we don't trade back we might take him at 27. Personally, if you make that trade, provided they are available, I'd rather go with Josh Downs or Darnell Washington or maybe even Matthew Bergeron. I'd wait for 59 to take the DT. It's a pretty good draft at the position.

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Bresee might be there. He could go in the first. Hell, if we don't trade back we might take him at 27. Personally, if you make that trade, provided they are available, I'd rather go with Josh Downs or Darnell Washington or maybe even Matthew Bergeron. I'd wait for 59 to take the DT. It's a pretty good draft at the position.

Well, the question was if we make the trade and get DeAndre Hopkins that’s why I didn’t think they would go back to back wide receiver, but I would be very happy to have Josh downs and DeAndre Hopkins. That would be amazing.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

Well, the question was if we make the trade and get DeAndre Hopkins that’s why I didn’t think they would go back to back wide receiver, but I would be very happy to have Josh downs and DeAndre Hopkins. That would be amazing.

I understand. I've been floating the Downs idea because I think he'll be a great slot and we still have uncertainty at the position. All that is dependent on a fella like Hopkins, because though slot is uncertain, I think we need a big receiver that is better than Davis more. If the Hopkins Downs scenario were to happen, Davis might thrive as a WR4. Joe Marino thinks that is where his talent best matches up. I would consider trading him to recoup a draft pick if the pick were high enough.

[Virgil]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

If we don’t reach 51% on any option do we start a new poll with the highest 2 option?

Nope.  Winner at 8p est is the winner 

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Nope.  Winner at 8p est is the winner 

Seems like the majority would rather trade the pick instead of drafting flowers is all. Wonder would it would be if just 2 options 

[ExWNYer]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Nope.  Winner at 8p est is the winner 

 

Just make sure that @Gugny does not keep you from your fulfilling your appointed mission.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Just make sure that @Gugny does not keep you from your fulfilling your appointed mission.

@Gugny is currently on a beach in the Caribbean or traveling today. So no worries there. 

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

@Gugny is currently on a beach in the Caribbean or traveling today. So no worries there. 

Weird.  I haven’t been called a beach in a while 

[gonzo1105]

If these are the options? I'm not including the Hopkins deal or a trade back cause those can be used as cop outs but the easy decision at 27 is Nolan Smith. Its not even close due to upside alone. 

[Virgil]

11 minutes ago, mrags said:

Seems like the majority would rather trade the pick instead of drafting flowers is all. Wonder would it would be if just 2 options 

Cross that bridge when we come to it.  I’m hoping it’s a clear cut answer 

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:

If these are the options? I'm not including the Hopkins deal or a trade back cause those can be used as cop outs but the easy decision at 27 is Nolan Smith. Its not even close due to upside alone. 

Would you play Smith at DE or LB?

[Visent]

25 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Bresee might be there. He could go in the first. Hell, if we don't trade back we might take him at 27. Personally, if you make that trade, provided they are available, I'd rather go with Josh Downs or Darnell Washington or maybe even Matthew Bergeron. I'd wait for 59 to take the DT. It's a pretty good draft at the position.

 

But I suppose we have to get a Mike sometime in this draft, probably at the pick we get from Cardinals 

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Would you play Smith at DE or LB?

 

DE in our system

[Alphadawg7]

I wonder if the poll is a bit skewed just given it sounds like the trade details on the Hopkins trade originally were not as complete as they are now and that caused people to vote differently in the beginning.  

 

I am quite surprised Hopkins trade is not the leading vote getter right now, and I suspect that might be the cause.  

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Visent said:

 

But I suppose we have to get a Mike sometime in this draft, probably at the pick we get from Cardinals 

I am one of those who is not concerned with LB. I don't see it as a major hole like many do. There are fellas like Myles Jack out there you could sign as a FA after the draft that would be a decent stop gap. Klein is capable as a role player. If I go D early, I'm much more inclined to go edge or DT. Obviously, folks who are anxious about it think there is urgency to address the need. This is a draft where I would mainly concentrate on strengthening the oline and adding weapons for Josh. 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I wonder if the poll is a bit skewed just given it sounds like the trade details on the Hopkins trade originally were not as complete as they are now and that caused people to vote differently in the beginning.  

 

I am quite surprised Hopkins trade is not the leading vote getter right now, and I suspect that might be the cause.  

I agree. I also think Oliver added to the mix is a bit over what we’d need to get it done. I think Oliver and a 2nd or 3rd maybe trading for Hopkins and a 3rd or 4th. 
 

I think it’s more likely a trade back with Arizona and add in a 5th or later would do it. Maybe make it a 2024 pick that’s conditional 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I wonder if the poll is a bit skewed just given it sounds like the trade details on the Hopkins trade originally were not as complete as they are now and that caused people to vote differently in the beginning.  

 

I am quite surprised Hopkins trade is not the leading vote getter right now, and I suspect that might be the cause.  

 

Folks can change their votes whenever they want. And will likely need to again after Virgil whittles down the options.

 

It is interesting that there are 2 "trade" options and if combined, are the runaway winners. I hope we dont see that vote split and it go to Flowers if the majority actually want to trade back one way or another. Stop the steal.

[mrags]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

I am one of those who is not concerned with LB. I don't see it as a major hole like many do. There are fellas like Myles Jack out there you could sign as a FA after the draft that would be a decent stop gap. Klein is capable as a role player. If I go D early, I'm much more inclined to go edge or DT. Obviously, folks who are anxious about it think there is urgency to address the need. This is a draft where I would mainly concentrate on strengthening the oline and adding weapons for Josh. 

I’m right there with you. As I think it’s a need I don’t know if it’s as big of a need as many are expecting. I think what they have could get them through the year if they really wanted. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

I agree. I also think Oliver added to the mix is a bit over what we’d need to get it done. I think Oliver and a 2nd or 3rd maybe trading for Hopkins and a 3rd or 4th. 
 

I think it’s more likely a trade back with Arizona and add in a 5th or later would do it. Maybe make it a 2024 pick that’s conditional 

Oliver seems like an overpay and it increases the need at DT. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I voted trade back because I'm not sure of the value of this draft at 27. I think more picks between there 30-60 would be better because that is where the value is. Heck you could trade an additional second for Hopkins it sounds like which I endorse.

[mrags]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Folks can change their votes whenever they want. And will likely need to again after Virgil whittles down the options.

 

It is interesting that there are 2 "trade" options and if combined, are the runaway winners. I hope we dont see that vote split and it go to Flowers if the majority actually want to trade back one way or another. Stop the steal.

That’s where I’m at. Would rather take either trade option over Flowers 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Folks can change their votes whenever they want. And will likely need to again after Virgil whittles down the options.

 

It is interesting that there are 2 "trade" options and if combined, are the runaway winners. I hope we dont see that vote split and it go to Flowers if the majority actually want to trade back one way or another. Stop the steal.

It's like a third party candidate coming in and throwing the election to the party that is least like the others.

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Oliver seems like an overpay and it increases the need at DT. 

 

I don't agree that LB is not a major hole on the team but I do agree that it does not need to be addressed in Round 1. Campbell in the 1st is an overpay, IMO. I don't like including Oliver in a Hopkins deal either but I believe the thinking there is that it's an attempt to make the money work on the Bills end.

[Virgil]

Updated for top 3.  
 

If trade back wins, I will attempt to find a trade partner.  If one can’t be found, I will go with the runner up.  
 

There’s not really a perfect science here 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont remember which mock it was, I just know I was pissed we skipped IOL, and then in the next one I saw you making the same complaints. Great minds, and all...

 

I'm not so much in love with JMS specifically, as much as I am pressing to address a critical need that we have been ignoring the last 3 years. We are one head-slap away from Morse retiring mid-game.  He will miss time again this year. At this point of his career, it's pretty much a guarantee. We have to have our next Center ready, and I dont want to sabotage Josh even further by making him deal with jourenyman Centers for 3 seasons until we figure it out.

 

Tippman works for me, or even Luke Wypler who some have as the #1 Center (although he is much smaller than we usually like).

 

Not sold on Van Ness, at all. IMO, he is another Epenesa maybe worthy of a mid-late 2nd round pick. But that is this draft. Loaded with "2nd round" talent.

 

Nolan Smith, maybe. But he looks a little small to deal with NFL Tackles...

epenesa and Van Ness?  Ehhhhhh.  I don’t see that at all.  Van Ness is an athletic physical specimen.  Epenesa was always a sloth.  

[Prospector]

Anything is better than getting a small slot WR in the 1st... I went for the trade

[TBBills Fan]

Id trade Oliver and a 5th for Dhop

[filthymcnasty08]

 

 

Our other non-Diggs WR's are great supporting cast members but cannot take over a game if Diggs is doubled.  If we have a chance for DHop for 2-3 solid years, you take it.  He's still a nightmare to cover with the best hands in the game.  Dude has been on crap teams his whole career.....will elevate in our system. 

 

We become as dangerous as any offense in the league with DHop.  Send the picks.

 

 

[jethro_tull]

Is Zay the real deal?  Not convinced.  

[mrags]

Oooo. It got close 

[GunnerBill]

53 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

DE in our system

 

Meh. I'm not high on him for a 4-3 team. 

[Dr. Who]

This poll remains ambiguous to me. I would favor a swap of 34 and 27 for Hopkins. That is conceivably entailed in the more generic trade back. I think including Oliver is too much. 1) It increases our need at DT where we already probably need to draft one. 2) I don't think the Cards would want him. They are trying to shed cap, not just redistribute it for a one year rental. 3) I think there's a possibility the Bills like Oliver more than many here do. In any event, he has more value as a player this year for a team trying to win a SB than he would elsewhere.

 

In sum, I'm not keen on the specific option, but if the generic option is just a random trade back, I'll take a chance on Zay Flowers.

[MrEpsYtown]

36 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’m right there with you. As I think it’s a need I don’t know if it’s as big of a need as many are expecting. I think what they have could get them through the year if they really wanted. 

 

38 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I am one of those who is not concerned with LB. I don't see it as a major hole like many do. There are fellas like Myles Jack out there you could sign as a FA after the draft that would be a decent stop gap. Klein is capable as a role player. If I go D early, I'm much more inclined to go edge or DT. Obviously, folks who are anxious about it think there is urgency to address the need. This is a draft where I would mainly concentrate on strengthening the oline and adding weapons for Josh. 

 

My opinion on MLB is essentially this...

 

Either they are truly comfortable with the incumbents present and maybe draft late round competition, or the they are hiding their interest in Jack Campbell and taking him at 27. I think those are the two possible outcomes. If he is their guy, they aren't going to wait to see if he falls to round 2 or whatever.