McDermott hammers point about Allen running less and sliding. Says it MUST change next year...

[Beck Water]

  On 3/28/2023 at 10:35 PM, NoSaint said:

like “oh I’ve missed 3 throws and nothing else is going smooth and I’m going to go hit a guy in the open field” as opposed to calculated “it’s 3rd and 5 and I need to get to the sticks”

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I don't think that's how even Allen thinks.

 

There might be some thinking like "gotta make a play, gotta make a play, Diggs doubled, don't like that shot to Knox, Dirty might get 4 yds, there's a hole goGoGO!"

 

Then once he's going, he doesn't think "got the 1st SLIDE" he thinks "gotta get the most yards that I can"

Edited March 28, 2023 by Beck Water

[NoSaint]

  On 3/28/2023 at 10:42 PM, GoBills808 said:

amateur psychoanalysis notwithstanding this is simply not how NFL QBs think

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yea, guys never play more calculated vs more emotional. Totally fabricated and crazy. 

  On 3/28/2023 at 10:50 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I don't think that's how even Allen thinks.

 

There might be some thinking like "gotta make a play, gotta make a play, Diggs doubled, don't like that shot to Knox, Dirty might get 4 yds, there's a hole goGoGO!"

 

Then once he's going, he doesn't think "got the 1st SLIDE" he thinks "gotta get the most yards that I can"

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counter: I think you can absolutely tell when he’s starting to play on tilt and is about to uncork an incredibly aggressive throw or run over a guy versus when he’s cool, calculated and methodically attacking 

[Just in Atlanta]

Does that mean he can hurdle before he slides?

[Scott7975]

They have obviously been trying to coach it out of him and I could see Josh tried.  To me it made Josh worse.  He was indecisive about running a lot of times and it cost yards and first downs and also got him hit ironically.  Maybe he wont run so much if he had better protection and better receivers.  Running is part of Josh's game.  Its never going to be coached out of him.  He will do whatever it takes to win. Thats his mindset and what I love about him.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Scott7975

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/28/2023 at 10:30 PM, Figster said:

Its not about changing Allens competitive spirit. Its about giving Allen a game plan and play calling  more focused on getting the ball out of Allens fast so he's not having to take off running. Josh Allen has one of the best throwing arms the NFL has eveer seen. Some longevity in the league and for the Bills would be good for everyone. I'm not saying don't run when your in the 4th quarter and the games on the line. Or in playoff games.  I'm saying don't utilize Allen running the football as part of the game plan. 

 

The more I see Josh running this coming up season. The more I think its time for a new OC... 

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As I have said 3 times now in this thread I think you can help by reducing volume but this is not just about volume. It is as much about Josh protecting himself when he does run. And he is always going to because we know he calls his own number and we know he will do whatever it takes. Even if Josh were to only average 1 run a game in 2023 he has to get down or get out when he runs.... and I am not sure that will ever be him. He is always going to fight for every inch whether that means hurdling, stiff arming, diving.... it is just who he is.

[Figster]

  On 3/29/2023 at 7:01 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

As I have said 3 times now in this thread I think you can help by reducing volume but this is not just about volume. It is as much about Josh protecting himself when he does run. And he is always going to because we know he calls his own number and we know he will do whatever it takes. Even if Josh were to only average 1 run a game in 2023 he has to get down or get out when he runs.... and I am not sure that will ever be him. He is always going to fight for every inch whether that means hurdling, stiff arming, diving.... it is just who he is.

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My hope is there can be a meeting of the minds somewhere in the middle. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Figster

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 3/27/2023 at 8:46 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yep. Josh will be a Bill the next 10-12 years.

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With the hits he takes? You’re missing the point of the thread. 

[BFLO]

Doesn't do him much good to slide when defenders hit him all the time afterwards anyway, and don't get called for a penalty. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

And how did Josh get hurt this year, by throwing the ball in the Pocket versus the Jets.

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 3/29/2023 at 1:36 AM, Scott7975 said:

They have obviously been trying to coach it out of him and I could see Josh tried.  To me it made Josh worse.  He was indecisive about running a lot of times and it cost yards and first downs and also got him hit ironically.  Maybe he wont run so much if he had better protection and better receivers.  Running is part of Josh's game.  Its never going to be coached out of him.  He will do whatever it takes to win. Thats his mindset and what I love about him.

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I think there will always be a small amount of reckless in Josh's game. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. But the propensity of hits must decline.  The OL & WR play must improve. And the checkdowns must not be ignored. 

  On 3/29/2023 at 2:17 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

And how did Josh get hurt this year, by throwing the ball in the Pocket versus the Jets.

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He got hurt because Q couldn't hold off his man for 1.5 seconds. 

[FireChans]

  On 3/28/2023 at 10:35 PM, NoSaint said:

like “oh I’ve missed 3 throws and nothing else is going smooth and I’m going to go hit a guy in the open field” as opposed to calculated “it’s 3rd and 5 and I need to get to the sticks”

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Didn’t we see Allen literally do this last season? 
 

Vikings game, OT. Josh let them back in with the fumble and he opened up the drive with two (great runs) but had that total feel of “I’m fired up and I’m gonna win this whole thing.” Then, of course, threw the bad pick to lose it.

[GoBills808]

  On 3/29/2023 at 9:03 PM, FireChans said:

Didn’t we see Allen literally do this last season? 
 

Vikings game, OT. Josh let them back in with the fumble and he opened up the drive with two (great runs) but had that total feel of “I’m fired up and I’m gonna win this whole thing.” Then, of course, threw the bad pick to lose it.

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And hit diggs over the middle on one of the craziest throws of the season for the win

 

It's the nature of the position

  On 3/29/2023 at 9:08 PM, GoBills808 said:

And hit diggs over the middle on one of the craziest throws of the season for the win

 

It's the nature of the position

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Talking about lions game

[FireChans]

  On 3/29/2023 at 9:08 PM, GoBills808 said:

And hit diggs over the middle on one of the craziest throws of the season for the win

 

It's the nature of the position

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We lost the Vikings game. You’re thinking of the Lions game.

[GoBills808]

Yes

[Warcodered]

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

  On 3/30/2023 at 6:43 PM, Warcodered said:

 

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This is a bad Tweet. 

 

Doesn't matter who brought the subject up. 

 

At the end of the day this FO and Coaching staff is saying Allen's running is unsustainable, how's it a problem, while not taking any blame for a below average offensive line, an offensive approach that has no sustained interest in running the ball, and an average group of skill position players when compared to other top Playoff contenders.  

 

 

[Warcodered]

  On 3/30/2023 at 7:22 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is a bad Tweet. 

 

Doesn't matter who brought the subject up. 

 

At the end of the day this FO and Coaching staff is saying Allen's running is unsustainable, how's it a problem, while not taking any blame for a below average offensive line, an offensive approach that has no sustained interest in running the ball, and an average group of skill position players when compared to other top Playoff contenders.  

 

 

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When you get asked do you want you franchise QB to take less hits, who the hell is going to answer in the negative?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

  On 3/30/2023 at 7:26 PM, Warcodered said:

When you get asked do you want you franchise QB to take less hits, who the hell is going to answer in the negative?

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 Then state that he needs to run less/slide more often AND they need to protect him better. Josh has taken just as much, if not more, punishment behind the LOS than once he's crossed it.