uticaclub Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Agree with this. I don’t look at any single season in a vacuum as far as championships. What I see is an elite QB’s limited career passing by season by season. Allen will be 27 for this season so let’s say he’s got 12 prime seasons left with three prime seasons behind him. That’s 3 of 15 opportunities for a championship lost to bad luck or squandered by bad decisions. Lotta time left, but 20% is gone - and that’s not nothing. You think Allen is going to make it to 39 the way he plays and with no protection?!?!? I hope your right, but I expect Allens production to drop in 2 or 3 years. The window is MUCH shorter than you think. 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 10 minutes ago, Lost said: I was about to disagree with your assessment that Allen would still have 12 Prime years left but looking back at a lot of the top tier QBs from our league it seems a lot of them had some of their best seasons towards the end of their career while pushing 40. These guys all have 5000+ passing yd seasons after age 36. Ben Roethlisberger Aaron Rodgers Peyton Manning (holds single season record for both yards and TDs at age 37) Tom Brady Drew Brees I was trying to be optimistic on Allen’s career length. I think it’s very reasonable to knock 2 or 3 seasons off of my estimate, especially since I said “prime” years. Roethlisberger lasted that long but was toast the last 2 or 3 seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 15 minutes ago, uticaclub said: You think Allen is going to make it to 39 the way he plays and with no protection?!?!? I hope your right, but I expect Allens production to drop in 2 or 3 years. The window is MUCH shorter than you think. They need Allen to do a lot less running. Think of John Elway. Early in his career Elway would scramble and run a lot. They weren't designed runs like Allen has but Elway did run. Later in his career with Terrell Davis doing the running Elway was able to focus on just throwing the ball. The Bills need to find that for Allen. If Harris can stay healthy (big if) then he can help do that. If not, then Beane has to find someone who can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Beane wants to show that he is a top GM, he needs to acquire another high end WR Honestly, we don't need that. We have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball now, and some real versatility in the WR corps. Much more important to build the line in front of Allen so he can get the ball to the playmakers we have. I have said it before - but that's the Patriots blueprint. I hate them, but they did it right. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: You think Allen is going to make it to 39 the way he plays and with no protection?!?!? I hope your right, but I expect Allens production to drop in 2 or 3 years. The window is MUCH shorter than you think. It'll diminish significantly one he's not as fast or agile as well. That'll be long before he's 39. At some point if he's going to continue to be a top QB, it's going to be more as a pocket passer, and how good he is then will be impacted by how good of an OL he's got in front of him. All of this also assumes that he doesn't get seriously injured due to his high-risk style of play. Edited March 21 by PBF81 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: You think Allen is going to make it to 39 the way he plays and with no protection?!?!? I hope your right, but I expect Allens production to drop in 2 or 3 years. The window is MUCH shorter than you think. To me, a lot has to do with Allen's style of play more than the lack of protection. We can definitely upgrade the line to help, but Allen has been asked about his style of play. Specifically his physical runs where he tries to truck the defender or leap over him. He said that's how he plays. So did Cam Newton. If Allen continues to take on defenders like he's a RB, he ain't going to last. There's a reason RBs don't last 15 years(for the most part). He needs to mature some more. Take what the defense gives you and learn to SLIDE or RUN OUT OF BOUNDS. Pretty sure he know how to, it's just a matter of seeing how important he is in the long run to this franchise. This is up to him, not the oline. JMO. Edited March 21 by Dopey 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeHeffner11 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/15/2023 at 8:31 PM, Einstein said: Until Week 5 you mean? The last 12 weeks of the season we were no where near the best team. I won a ton of money on the second Bengal/Buffalo game! I figured the way the Bengals were totally dominating and crushing the Bills in the 1st game the books were going to change the point spread drastically. Then when the spread came out I couldn't believe it. Vegas hardly changed it. It was a NO BRAINER! I was only going to bet a hundred but when I saw the spread had hardly changed, I said to myself I'm going to bet a grand this is a sure thing! By how the way, the first game went you could see the Bengals were WAY better and they were going to kill the Bills. I should have had bigger "cajones". I should have bet at least 5 grand. I'll never get a sure thing like that game ever again. Heck, they previewed how the game was going to go a week before it happened. 14 hours ago, Dopey said: To me, a lot has to do with Allen's style of play more than the lack of protection. We can definitely upgrade the line to help, but Allen has been asked about his style of play. Specifically his physical runs where he tries to truck the defender or leap over him. He said that's how he plays. So did Cam Newton. If Allen continues to take on defenders like he's a RB, he bain't going to last. There's a reason RBs don't last 15 years(for the most part). He needs to mature some more. Take what the defense gives you and learn to SLIDE or RUN OUT OF BOUNDS. Pretty sure he know how to, it's just a matter of seeing how important he is in the long run to this franchise. This is up to him, not the oline. JMO. Not behind the lines McDummy and the Beaner put in front of him. Luckily, Josh is so big and strong other wise he would be crippled already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 19 hours ago, Gregg said: They need Allen to do a lot less running. Think of John Elway. Early in his career Elway would scramble and run a lot. They weren't designed runs like Allen has but Elway did run. Later in his career with Terrell Davis doing the running Elway was able to focus on just throwing the ball. The Bills need to find that for Allen. If Harris can stay healthy (big if) then he can help do that. If not, then Beane has to find someone who can. Yes, think of John Elway...who didn't win an SB until the Broncos found a strong run game, along with a top RB under HC Mike Shanahan. Denver RB Terrell Davis and that run-block scheme allowed Davis to run for 2000 yards, and 21 TDs, in 1998. Davis, a 6th-round pick? Just think, with opponents gearing up to stop a strong Buffalo power run game would leave Allen to do what he did at the end of 2021...just destroy teams! C'mon Beane, build that O line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, HugeHeffner11 said: Not behind the lines McDummy and the Beaner put in front of him. Luckily, Josh is so big and strong other wise he would be crippled already. I said we could use an upgrade on the line, I mean I put it in BOLD but you seemed to miss my point about Josh acting like a RB. He needs to stop that, for his own sake. He can help prolong his career by NOT trying to run people over or leaping over players. Leave that 💩 for the RB. He’s big and strong, sure, but he’s also…NOT a robot. Don’t blame the line for Josh taking unnecessary hits. Mcdummy and Beaner?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I trust Beane completely. The mental errors we’ve made (occasionally) haven’t been because of Beane. We are going to get a Super Bowl win with him eventually. Heck, we should have had two Super Bowl wins over the past few years, in my opinion 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 I think bringing in Von Miller signaled that were on the cusp long before we earned it. The defense started coasting after that. We need to draft and develop young players independent of big names. We want long term success like the Steelers not a bought one off Super Bowl like the Rams. We're a blue collar organization not a Hollywood driven star franchise 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 NFL.com has released its GM power rankings. Beane is 4th! https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-gm-power-rankings-eagles-howie-roseman-reigns-while-brad-holmes-makes-his-ma "4) Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills I don't put the Bills' inability to get over the hump on the front office. Rather, I blame it on randomness (2020 and '21) and injuries (2022). That said, the team might need to revisit the relative lack of weight that is put into offensive resources compared with McDermott's defense. A solid D can only take you so far in this era, and the team's shortcomings on the offensive line and skill positions around Josh Allen showed up in 2022. Beane made some low-cost moves in free agency (Damien Harris, Deonte Harty, Connor McGovern) that look smart enough on paper -- they are also similar to moves from 2022 that didn't work out well. His drafts have been less inspiring over the last four years, with 2021 first-rounder Greg Rousseau being the biggest difference-maker among them. The Bills have built and maintained a superpower over the last six years since Beane was hired, but their best work was done in the building stages. Can they do it again with different players around Allen?" Full list: 1. Howie Roseman, Philadelphia 2. Brett Veach, KC 3. Duke Tobin, Cincy 4. Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott, Buffalo 5. John Lynch/Kyle Shanahan, SF 6. Les Snead/Sean McVay, LA Rams 7. Brad Holmes, Detroit 8. Brian Gutekunst, GB 9. John Schneider, Seattle 10. Jerry Jones, Dallas 11. Bill Belichick, New England 12. Tom Telesco, LA Chargers 13. Eric DeCosta, Baltimore 14. Mickey Loomis, New Orleans 15. Chris Grier, Miami 16. Joe Douglas, NY Jets 17. Jason Licht, Tampa Bay 18.Chris Ballard, Indianapolis 19. Andrew Berry, Cleveland 20. Trent Baalke, JAX 21. Terry Fontenot, Atlanta 22. Ron Rivera, Martin Mayhew, Washington 23. Scott Fitterer, Carolina 24. Nick Caserio, Houston 25. Geroge Paton, Denver Too New: Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, Minnesota Vikings Ran Carthon, Tennessee Titans Omar Khan, Pittsburgh Steelers Monti Ossenfort, Arizona Cardinals Ryan Poles, Chicago Joe Schoen, New York Giants Dave Ziegler, Las Vegas Raiders: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Beane has been a very good GM, as is attested to his rankings amongst the leagues GMs, at or near the top since he has been here. Sure he like ALL GMs wiff on picks, the draft is a crap shoot as we all know. The Bills went from a running joke to a perennial contender with Beane running the show, what’s not to like? yah yah, we all want a Super Bowl win…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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