Beane End of Year Presser

[Reed83HOF]

23 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The Hines comments are ridiculous. How long did it take McCaffrey to get up to speed with the 49ers?

Or that Cincy's DC was able to call the perfect defense against our offense 66% of the time! Just think about what has to occur for that to happen....

 

and you are telling me that Hines could not get up to speed quick enough?

[ArtVandalay]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

On Diggs:  A lot like Steve Smith Jr.   Fiery, wears his emotions on his sleeve.   He isnt here just to collect his paycheck, even though he gets paid well he still shows up and cares.  We all have warts.   But Stef cares a ton.

So tired of this leadership constantly comparing everything and worshiping a Panthers franchise that never won Jack. Just stop already. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

McBeane would have stood pat with Higgins and not drafted Chase.  

 

Zero doubt in my mind they would have gone with Jaycee Horn or Patrick Surtain II.  There's nothing about their past drafts that suggest otherwise.  

Who is directing Beane about what positions are valued and needed for the team?

[newcam2012]

9 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

I wonder what happened to the years when we had the advantage of having a QB on a rookie contract...oh that's right Beane and McDermott couldn't get it done then either.

I wish someone had some gonads to say that to his face. Beane knows his team is on the downward swing. He hasn't tell the media or the fans this. He gave us a bunch of horse crap today. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by newcam2012

[Reed83HOF]

31 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Our media really is gutless.

 

I remember one teams reporters actually mocked our reporters (2021 season?) for the softball questions. Maybe it was the Boston reporters? Anyone remember?

Is this a superbowl offense?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

These are all good points, but there is a difference in regular season vs playoffs - this staff after the past 3 years is not playoff caliber. We also didn't have Von last year and Jerry =/= Von. The DL even with the injuries was better this year than last year, those DT and Ends were straight up trash. We didn't have Tre in the playoffs last year and, serious question, what impact would Hyde have based on the gameplan against Cincy?

 

Now, if we lined up and played with a good gameplan and lost, it is easier to go down the path you are on, which I truly do understand.

 

Blitzing Burrow, who everyone knew the ball was getting out in less than 3 seconds and who is great against the blitz and playing off the WRs? There was a blueprint for Miami by the Chargers, we didn't follow it. There were 3 games Balt played against Cincy, in the game right before we played, they hardly blitzed (again a blueprint) that we didn't follow either. Baltimore almost kicked them out with a backup QB and no one on offense.

 

 

 

 

 

 The gameplan is far different if Hyde & Von are playing, Poyer is relatively healthy and Tre's 90% or so. Injuries caused the game plan, it's been that way for a while now. No disguised coverages or anything. I know Poyer & Tre were playing, but neither were near full capacity. Add to that we were playing our #3 FS, no Jones, Phillips with only 1 arm.

 

 What team, that made the playoffs, could withstand 2 All-Pro players out, 2 more All-Pro players severely limited, another starter out and another with 1 arm all on 1 side of the ball and last for any length of time? 

 

 

 

[Slack_in_MA]

20 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

That was one of the worst Beane PCs I have watched.

 

We won 13 game guys... How many times did we hear that 

It's a fact. And we lost 3 regular season games by a total of 8 points. We stunk last Sunday and need to make improvements.

[Since1981]

Higgins=Daboll knew about him. Our OC couldn’t see it. 

I have concern for Kim and Terry. Then after I wonder if owner not ready or unable to make hard choices now. Choices take time, attention, stamina. Hard choices take even more. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Since1981

[newcam2012]

6 hours ago, Process said:

Omg the excuses for Spencer Brown 🤣 

 

So far the press conference has been 100% excuses and zero accountability. 

 

Beane thinks the main reason we didn't win a Superbowl is because we didn't get into a groove at the right time. 

 

This is brutal.

Beans is insulting our intelligence. Placating us to the max. 

 

If core of coaches remain the Bills are going to disappoint again.

Edited January 25, 2023 by newcam2012

[Reed83HOF]

 

Ruben Brown's quick take

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

…and as I have stated before, this appears to be a case where the GM and the coaches are not on the same page. He was behind a great RB in Indy, yet came here and got less offensive touches than he was getting in Indy. 

 

 

They were saving him for next year. 

[ArtVandalay]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Coaching Staff.  We won 13 games.   Its like anything, easy to question.  Easy to question what Dorsey does.   Everyone is a Monday morning QB.   Not everything was perfect but both coordinators are pros.

Notice all the players get heat and criticism, but not the coaching staff, when it comes to coaches or gets turned around that the fans are being unreasonable. 

 

Holding leadership to a different (lesser) standard is poor leadership itself and poor culture. 

 

Pegula needs to step in because he's got a good ole boy network more concerned with protecting themselves than the team being successful. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

This part really bothered me when Beane said it.

He was basically asked what he can take from the Bengals' build, and rather than state any one of the many obvious things that make the Bengals a good team -- strong up front on both sides of the ball, great wide receiver play, depth, etc -- he chose just about the worst possible answer.

To say that they "were lucky enough" to be "bad enough to get Ja'Marr Chase", he is essentially ducking accountability for still needing to be able to find difference makers later in round one and beyond. Lots of great NFL players -- receivers, especially -- are taken in late round one and beyond. For him to point to the "luck" of drafting high is to dodge the responsibility that he and his staff bare to find good players REGARDLESS of where in the draft they pick.

Yes, later in the interview he said that he and his staff need to hit on draft picks, but he's said that before. That's obvious. Those are just words. The "we don't pick early like the Bengals used to, so we're not getting a guy like that" and the insinuation of luck and high draft position as reasons for success were a bad look.

I mean is he really wrong? You’re not going to find a pro ready WR w/ elite measurables like Chase past the first 10 picks (realistically not even before the first 5) unless you luck out on some project guy like DK Metcalf. It’s infinitely tougher to get blue chip guys when you are drafting late every single. I do agree though that it’s no excuse. Good GMs work w/ what they got, but I am trying to cut him a little slack. 

[zow2]

Ah let’s face it,  last season they should have sh*t canned McDermott and hired offensive minded Daboll to be the head coach.  It’s a pipe dream of course but in retrospect he would’ve been a solid choice to transition away from McDungy.

[newcam2012]

54 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

You want him to say what we're truly thinking?

 

Beane: "Hey yo we suck ass, bruh. We're terrible, bruh. Our defense is ass. Our offense is Josh Allen going HAM, bruh. That's all we have. Bengals ate our faces off. I effed up with our defensive draft selections. Bit me all up in my ass, bruh. I don't draft wide receivers because Josh Allen makes Joe Blow from the Streets look good so there was no need to draft any receiver. So please pray for me. I mean, pray for us."

This isn't inaccurate...

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Slack_in_MA said:

It's a fact. And we lost 3 regular season games by a total of 8 points. We stunk last Sunday and need to make improvements.

 

Cant operate solely on prior success.  
 

He contradicted himself at the PC

 

Yea he said “we won 13 games.”

 

But then went on to say “won’t be active in FA…..going to lose some guys…..and it’s the end with this group - implying every season brings turn over.”

 

 

Now my guess is he meant “our process works.”  

 

Can’t disagree with that.  
 

But you can say that - then tell us we’ll continue to do everything we can; we’re going to address the mistakes made that starts with me.  And we’re going to be better.”

 

You don’t go out there and refuse to admit there is a gap with us and Cincy.  You can at least say something like yea they have a good team.  So do we.  We’ll be back.  

[Best Williams Available]

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Really defending Spencer Brown.  

He HAS to because he’s the idiot that took him from a small school even though he was unprepared to fill a glaring hole in the OL. How about draft an already good lineman from a real football school rather than playing a work-in-progress? You make every other work-in-progress sit and learn. This is pure deflection.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I mean is he really wrong? You’re not going to find a pro ready WR w/ elite measurables like Chase past the first 10 picks (realistically not even before the first 5) unless you luck out on some project guy like DK Metcalf. It’s infinitely tougher to get blue chip guys when you are drafting late every single. I do agree though that it’s no excuse. Good GMs work w/ what they got, but I am trying to cut him a little slack. 

 

 I would agree this correct most of the time, but just off the top of my head Jefferson went 22nd.

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

So tired of this leadership constantly comparing everything and worshiping a Panthers franchise that never won Jack. Just stop already. 

This embarrassing obsession with a historically losing Panther organization is pathetic.  If the only players McD can obtain are Panthers, that speaks volumes as to his complete inability to find good players. I don't see Andy grabbing Eagle players. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This embarrassing obsession with a historically losing Panther organization is pathetic.  If the only players McD can obtain are Panthers, that speaks volumes as to his complete inability to find good players. I don't see Andy grabbing Eagle players. 

Well then done ***** up when they could've had the greatest Panther of all...McCaffrey. Maybe he was too good of a player for us to acquire?

Edited January 25, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes

[Best Williams Available]

5 hours ago, Process said:

When the bills lost to the chiefs last year we all felt like we were the best team in the league, and should have won the Superbowl if not for an epic coaching blunder.

 

Beane nailed the year end press conference and addressed some very specific areas where the team needed to improve.

 

Everything about the way this season ended is the complete opposite.

 

It sounds like Beanes plan is to run it back and hope we get in a groove at the right time.

This is evidence that he doesn’t actually know what he’s doing. His and McD’s vision for the team and sustainable winning was just spit back in their faces. Now they are scrambling for answers and don’t have any.

[Since1981]

Will a team steal your HC OC or DC?
1: nope. 
 

Would 31 teams give you a 2nd round for your coach? 
2: nope. 
 

would you be upset if HC DC OC went to division opponent?

4: nope 

 

if “nope” to all 4 questions then you passed this IQ test. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I would agree this correct most of the time, but just off the top of my head Jefferson went 22nd.

 

 

 

Yes, but that was the Diggs pick.

[LABILLBACKER]

5 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said:

He HAS to because he’s the idiot that took him from a small school even though he was unprepared to fill a glaring hole in the OL. How about draft an already good lineman from a real football school rather than playing a work-in-progress? You make every other work-in-progress sit and learn. This is pure deflection.

Brandon & Sean are the kings of deflection. 

[Chaos]

Just now, Since1981 said:

Will a team steal your HC OC or DC?
1: nope. 
 

Would 31 teams give you a 2nd round for your coach? 
2: nope. 
 

would you be upset if HC DC OC went to division opponent?

4: nope 

 

if “nope” to all 4 questions then you passed this IQ test. 

There are only 3 questions. 

[Best Williams Available]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Brandon & Sean are the kings of deflection. 

[Slack_in_MA]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Cant operate solely on prior success.  
 

He contradicted himself at the PC

 

Yea he said “we won 13 games.”

 

But then went on to say “won’t be active in FA…..going to lose some guys…..and it’s the end with this group - implying every season brings turn over.”

 

 

Now my guess is he meant “our process works.”  

 

Can’t disagree with that.  
 

But you can say that - then tell us we’ll continue to do everything we can; we’re going to address the mistakes made that starts with me.  And we’re going to be better.”

 

You don’t go out there and refuse to admit there is a gap with us and Cincy.  You can at least say something like yea they have a good team.  So do we.  We’ll be back.  

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Beane's not lowering expectations a little bit on purpose. You could argue the expectations on this team from Day 1 of the season were off the charts and, I believe, were a burden. I think this team would like to fly under the radar a bit next year. Plus, if people think a GM is going to lay all his cards on the table in a post-season presser, well, that's just bad poker.

[Chaos]

Just now, Slack_in_MA said:

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Beane's not lowering expectations a little bit on purpose. You could argue the expectations on this team from Day 1 of the season were off the charts and, I believe, were a burden. I think this team would like to fly under the radar a bit next year. Plus, if people think a GM is going to lay all his cards on the table in a post-season presser, well, that's just bad poker.

His cards were laid bare in Sunday's drubbing.  He told the truth today. KC and Cincy are better, and he doesn't know how to make the Bills good enough to beat them. 

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Since 2018 not one team has drafted more DL in the top 2 rounds than Buffalo.  During this same time frame, they have selected less WR in the top 3 rounds than any other teams.  It was on full display again the Bengals trotting out all their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round Wrs, will Beanes D line with all the capital used was completely invisible 

I hope Terry has an advisor, these answers ate exactly what I did not want to hear for the most part.  As great as Beane, McDermott have been, I dont think they possess the mentality to build an offensive team around Josh Allen

Bills should have the best DL in the league given all the investment.

[ArtVandalay]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Brandon & Sean are the kings of deflection. 

Zero accountability at the leadership level. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Cant operate solely on prior success.  
 

He contradicted himself at the PC

 

Yea he said “we won 13 games.”

 

But then went on to say “won’t be active in FA…..going to lose some guys…..and it’s the end with this group - implying every season brings turn over.”

 

 

Now my guess is he meant “our process works.”  

 

Can’t disagree with that.  
 

But you can say that - then tell us we’ll continue to do everything we can; we’re going to address the mistakes made that starts with me.  And we’re going to be better.”

 

You don’t go out there and refuse to admit there is a gap with us and Cincy.  You can at least say something like yea they have a good team.  So do we.  We’ll be back.  

 

 If Hyde, Miller, Poyer & White are healthy, you don't think we can compete with Cincy?

 

 Name me a team that can be down 2 former All-Pros, have 2 more All-Pros playing nowhere near 100%, lose a backup(Hamlin) to one of the All-Pros, be down another starter(Jones) and have another playing with only one arm and compete with an offense as good as the Bengals. Those 4 All-Pro players have 12 All-Pro selections between them including a handful of 1st team honors. 4 out of our top 5(Milano is the 5th) players on defense were either out or really limited. We did what any team would've done in that situation, we got spanked by 1 of the best QBs and WR trios in the league. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Yes, but that was the Diggs pick.

 

 Correct, just saying it happens from time to time.

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

10 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Well then done ***** up when they could've had the greatest Panther of all...McCaffrey. Maybe he was too good of a player for us to acquire?

The cost would have been / was exorbitant- the Bills also don’t have a Shanahan level run game guru as the OC. Great player, but not sure his results here would have been worth the considerable bevy of picks. 

[Best Williams Available]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

I hate to say it, but I agree.

Talks about needing to improve the lines, but then proceeds to defend Brown, and we can all presume he's not replacing Dawkins or Morse. So already, that's three of five linemen likely coming back. Defensive linemen wise, what can they do exactly? They don't have the money to sign any more big ticket free agents. They can't keep spending high picks on defensive linemen. All they can do there, really, is bank on "internal improvement".

Hearing "Josh's elbow" and "Dorsey was in year one and will grow" and "Gabe Davis will grow" and "we had a lot of injuries on defense" and "we didn't hit a groove at the right time"...it's hard not to think they'll sign a few bargain guys, draft a safety or linebacker to replace whichever of our defensive FAs leaves, and run it all back next year.

I would love a little more ruthless honestly and realistic self scouting here from Beane. I'm not hearing it.

I am a Brandon Beane fan. I believe that he is an above average general manager. This moment right now, though, is the most that my faith in him has been shaken since he became GM.

It sounds exactly (opposite) of what Ralph did during the drought years. Have a bunch of mediocre to terrible talent then sign a big name (M Williams, TO) to put a**es in the seats. Josh is the guy that gets a**es in the seats and so they’ll sign a bunch of mids to keep us fools from rioting.

[Slack_in_MA]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

His cards were laid bare in Sunday's drubbing.  He told the truth today. KC and Cincy are better, and he doesn't know how to make the Bills good enough to beat them. 

It's no secret they were all in on this year. Losing Miller hurt. Losing Hyde hurt. All the other realities throughout the season that everyone has conveniently forgotten really happened. Perhaps you can dredge up some contrarian posts you had from early in the season where you predicted we weren't built to win it all. You won't because you didn't. You believed like the rest of us. It didn't work out the  way you, me, Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, and Brandon Beane all believed it could.

 

Time to move forward, Armchair GM.

[newcam2012]

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Cant operate solely on prior success.  
 

He contradicted himself at the PC

 

Yea he said “we won 13 games.”

 

But then went on to say “won’t be active in FA…..going to lose some guys…..and it’s the end with this group - implying every season brings turn over.”

 

 

Now my guess is he meant “our process works.”  

 

Can’t disagree with that.  
 

But you can say that - then tell us we’ll continue to do everything we can; we’re going to address the mistakes made that starts with me.  And we’re going to be better.”

 

You don’t go out there and refuse to admit there is a gap with us and Cincy.  You can at least say something like yea they have a good team.  So do we.  We’ll be back.  

I think Beane is preparing us for what's to come. He told us Cinci and KC are better than the Bills. He gave us no indication that the Bills can and will be better next season. Instead we got excuses and praise for the coaches. How in God's name can you praise the coaching staff after the Cinci game? Both coordinators got their butt whipped and Coach McD was lost on the sidelines. 

 

Maybe I'm not seeing things correctly. I would have rather seen a fired up Beane saying changes are gonna be made, I have to be better, and I look forward to fielding a better team. We will be ready to take on KC, Cinci, and whoever else is in our way. Instead, he placated, made excuses, and gave passes to his coaching staff. You tell me how that's a winning formula?

Edited January 25, 2023 by newcam2012

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

The cost would have been / was exorbitant- the Bills also don’t have a Shanahan level run game guru as the OC. Great player, but not sure his results here would have been worth the considerable bevy of picks. 

$550,000 this year... I don't think you can get a player cheaper than that. Would have been worth every penny when we hoisted the Lombardi

[Malazan]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

• Josh thinks he is a linebacker, but you dont want to dissuade that.   He took more hits this year.   Needs to learn to get down.  He has to trust the playmakers, and the playmakers need to make plays. 

He took worse hits in the pocket and that directly on Beane / Coaching Staff

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Malazan said:

He took worse hits in the pocket and that directly on Beane / Coaching Staff

I would have asked Beane if he knew how Josh hurt his elbow? 

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

I hate to say it, but I agree.

Talks about needing to improve the lines, but then proceeds to defend Brown, and we can all presume he's not replacing Dawkins or Morse. So already, that's three of five linemen likely coming back. Defensive linemen wise, what can they do exactly? They don't have the money to sign any more big ticket free agents. They can't keep spending high picks on defensive linemen. All they can do there, really, is bank on "internal improvement".

Hearing "Josh's elbow" and "Dorsey was in year one and will grow" and "Gabe Davis will grow" and "we had a lot of injuries on defense" and "we didn't hit a groove at the right time"...it's hard not to think they'll sign a few bargain guys, draft a safety or linebacker to replace whichever of our defensive FAs leaves, and run it all back next year.

I would love a little more ruthless honestly and realistic self scouting here from Beane. I'm not hearing it.

I am a Brandon Beane fan. I believe that he is an above average general manager. This moment right now, though, is the most that my faith in him has been shaken since he became GM.

 

One of Beane's greatest strengths has been his ability to stand in front of the media and deliver accountability and a clear plan of attacking our weaknesses. After each of the last seasons' disappointing endings his final press conference has always given me hope that the team was still headed in the right direction. Today was the first time that he seemed lost and unsure where to go from here. We've come to a point where several years of mediocre drafting and free agency spending has caught up to us and we have limited resources to fix the problems. I think Beane has realized that too and doesn't know what to say.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Sounds like Beane feels that game was a 1 off, don't over react. & is going to keep all the coaches & as much of the same roster as possible but tweak where he can w/ low cost free agents & the draft. Might work on the lines. But no major changes, largely run it back next year.