Kaenon Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Need to stop deferring. Set the damn tone. You have Josh Allen at home. 2nd playoff loss ever at home...come on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 54 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: How about that defensive timeout McD took later in the 2nd half on a Bengals 3rd down? I laughed to myself and thought “the Bengals will pick this up anyway” and sure enough, they did. I’ve never seen timeouts burned on defense so ineffectively. What are they discussing during the timeout? Who makes the best Buffalo Wings? I was at the game, so I have no idea what was said on broadcast... But Bills had 12 men on defense. They were going to their "3 man rush"/dime defense, and Siran came in but Boogie forgot to come out. Right after the timeout, they decided to go back to nickle/4 man rush, with Boogie out there. While I agree it was a horrible timeout, the purpose was to save the 5 yard penalty.... meaningless now in the big picture. Our defensive, and offensive, strategies were complete garbage today. I wonder how much the head coach interview distracted Ken this week? Leslie on the other hand, said it last year and will say it again, he is nowhere near aggressive enough. KC played with less talent on defense than the past few years, that gap is now closing tho, but Spags gets ALOT more out of his scheme. We have zero team identity...it's basically let Josh Allen be superman, and Diggs to dominate (when given enough opportunities). Their needs to be a new ID on defense, called getting fast/physical players. Likewise on OL and playmakers... Difficult to let Ken go after 1 year, especially when Josh deserves some say in it and need better supporting cast. Leslie should immediately be fired, and we need to "retool" that defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: I was at the game, so I have no idea what was said on broadcast... But Bills had 12 men on defense. They were going to their "3 man rush"/dime defense, and Siran came in but Boogie forgot to come out. Right after the timeout, they decided to go back to nickle/4 man rush, with Boogie out there. While I agree it was a horrible timeout, the purpose was to save the 5 yard penalty.... meaningless now in the big picture. Our defensive, and offensive, strategies were complete garbage today. I wonder how much the head coach interview distracted Ken this week? Leslie on the other hand, said it last year and will say it again, he is nowhere near aggressive enough. KC played with less talent on defense than the past few years, that gap is now closing tho, but Spags gets ALOT more out of his scheme. We have zero team identity...it's basically let Josh Allen be superman, and Diggs to dominate (when given enough opportunities). Their needs to be a new ID on defense, called getting fast/physical players. Likewise on OL and playmakers... Difficult to let Ken go after 1 year, especially when Josh deserves some say in it and need better supporting cast. Leslie should immediately be fired, and we need to "retool" that defense. Both Spags and Lou A, the Bengals coordinator, get much more out of their defenses. Neither one of those units have much more talent than the Bills, but their coordinators are simply better X’s and O’s chess players. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, Kaenon said: Need to stop deferring. Set the damn tone. You have Josh Allen at home. 2nd playoff loss ever at home...come on... Yep - especially when you have a garbage Defense going against an elite offense I absolutely hated kicking off. Not hyperbole I truly believe that played a massive role in losing this game. That and the 3rd and 10 timeout. I laughed got up when he called it and I said “game over.” Didn’t even watch the play I heard the families response from the kitchen as I was getting a serving of the pulled pork we made and I just laughed. We weren’t dictating. We were reacting. That’s how you lose in…pretty much everything 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Governor said: Especially after starting the same exact way on the Monday night game. We were overmatched and the team knew it weeks ago. You know I think you have a point. It’s emotionally as if they knew they couldn’t match up after their experience in cincy , and just resigned to that fact. Milano said they had no juice on d. This was as emotionally flat as I’ve seen a Bills team. I don’t buy the emotionally drained excuse as Hamlin is and has been doing well and they played two games in the meantime. It would be sccephad his outcome not been so good. You know a situation you remain flat in , when you know you are physically outmatched and you are getting pushed around with an a$$ kicking. Mcd gets no break here either. Knowing how the Bengals marched on them in cincy , why stick with your obsessive tendency to always defer when you knew what type of offense you were facing. Why not at least try to jump out in the lead , take the kickoff and have confidence you will score and take the lead. Cincy was confident and they backed it up when they received and scored. In the end it prob made no difference but they are so predictable it’s almost ridiculous. They came out flat ( per Milano) and stayed that way. Kudos to Matt for being open. It’s surprising as most thought this would be a highly emotional game. One more playoff debacle emerges with a home divisional blow out. Injuries did play a huge role all year , but not so much today ironically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: A bad time to play worst game of the year on both sides of the ball. Well said. That was a brutal performance on both sides. Cincy looked like a much better team all around , from players to coaches and scheme and they knew it. All week they were talking and taking light jabs at Buffalo , like they knew this would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Well said. That was a brutal performance on both sides. Cincy looked like a much better team all around , from players to coaches and scheme and they knew it. All week they were talking and taking light jabs at Buffalo , like they knew this would happen. Need to get angry, refocus, and reload. Then go out in 2023 and light all those SOBs up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: I've watched the Bills in the playoffs for the past 4 decades back to the 1980 season and I have to say no opposition opening drive has ever foreshadowed a game more than what the Bengals did today to start off. Sure there have been some terrible Bills teams who have given up terrible opening drives in the regular season (McD era teams have been actually really bad at this) but this is the playoffs. No playoff Bills team I can recall ever took such a punch to the face as the Bills did on the opening drive today. The drive planted the momentum to the Bengals and they never gave it back. The drive was so easy and so effortless that it immediately took the crowd out of the game and oddly seemed to permanently deflate the Bills D going forward. It also exposed Frazier for the fraud that he is defensively with Bengals receivers wide open on every down, no pass rush, a D line getting gashed on runs and a QB completing every single pass. In short it was like a Mike Tyson knockdown or standing 8 count in the first minute of the first round. I just cant get my head around how the Bills (especially Frazier)could have possibly have been so poorly prepared for what they knew the Bengals could do. Its almost as if Frazier didn't watch any film at all this week on the Bengals. One of their best O Lineman was out, yet no pressure or scheme to that side. If this isn't enough to get Frazier fired, I simply don't know what is? Lets pray Frazier gets a HC job and we get picks in return 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Jerome007 said: What about the Bills first play on offense? A McKenzie sweep? While the ground is slippery and it's better t o go North-South? Same drive there was a Cook run, again going sideways. 3 and out. Sure those plays can work, but in that weather? Wow Chase all alone was crazy. Outcoached, period, how about those outside runs with cook in the snow? Just pure genius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Lets pray Frazier gets a HC job and we get picks in return 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Realistically who the heck is gonna hire him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Realistically who the heck is gonna hire him Dont ruin the vibe man 😅😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) I forgot which poster it was, but he said Frazier was more valuable than the two 3rd round picks we’d get if he got picked to be a HC. I laughed. So much homerism. Edited January 23, 2023 by JayBaller10 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 hours ago, SCBills said: The worst part, and the reason why I can’t believe anyone wants Frazier back next year after this (and 13 seconds) was that I didn’t even bat an eye when Cincy went down and scored … I just expected it. In a Divisional Round Playoff Game, I expected the opponent to score a TD on the opening drive and it didn’t even affect me. Think about what that says .. because I know I’m not alone. His contract is up this year let's pray it's not renewed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It's almost like McD threw the game. He knew in the previous game that Taylor wanted the ball after winning opening toss... Yet, McD wins the toss yesterday and gives the ball to the Bengals. In bad weather to boot! When you find yourself on bad ground... Don't defend it! Move forward as quickly as possible and vacate it! Getting on their heels in a 14 point hole in bad weather was deadly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I want Frazier gone but is this just his defense or is McD part of it? I think we should be pointing the firing cannons at both… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It is McD's defense. Im not sure if getting rid of frazier will help, but I KNOW that Frazier and Mcdermott together does not work. Have to take a chance with somebody else. Need a fresh set of eyes and ears in the building, if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Livinginthepast said: I've watched the Bills in the playoffs for the past 4 decades back to the 1980 season and I have to say no opposition opening drive has ever foreshadowed a game more than what the Bengals did today to start off. Sure there have been some terrible Bills teams who have given up terrible opening drives in the regular season (McD era teams have been actually really bad at this) but this is the playoffs. No playoff Bills team I can recall ever took such a punch to the face as the Bills did on the opening drive today. The drive planted the momentum to the Bengals and they never gave it back. The drive was so easy and so effortless that it immediately took the crowd out of the game and oddly seemed to permanently deflate the Bills D going forward. It also exposed Frazier for the fraud that he is defensively with Bengals receivers wide open on every down, no pass rush, a D line getting gashed on runs and a QB completing every single pass. In short it was like a Mike Tyson knockdown or standing 8 count in the first minute of the first round. I just cant get my head around how the Bills (especially Frazier)could have possibly have been so poorly prepared for what they knew the Bengals could do. Its almost as if Frazier didn't watch any film at all this week on the Bengals. One of their best O Lineman was out, yet no pressure or scheme to that side. If this isn't enough to get Frazier fired, I simply don't know what is? It was the same opening drive and second drive as the MNF a game. Fraser learned nothing from the film,of that limited game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, SCBills said: The worst part, and the reason why I can’t believe anyone wants Frazier back next year after this (and 13 seconds) was that I didn’t even bat an eye when Cincy went down and scored … I just expected it. In a Divisional Round Playoff Game, I expected the opponent to score a TD on the opening drive and it didn’t even affect me. Think about what that says .. because I know I’m not alone. So did I. When we chose to kick, that was curtains. The defense was shell shocked and the whole team knew it, the press was on, and then the eventual submission choke hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 And if we took the ball and went three and out with that stupid jet sweep call, and the Bengals rammed it down our throats for a TD, what then? Kicking off didn’t lose this game. We were woefully underprepared on both sides of the ball. Like we expected HFA would be enough and Cincy would just roll over. Failing to get seven on either side of halftime, let alone both sides, was also killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) At least we know now that the start of the Hamlin game was no fluke. We were going to get our asses kicked that Monday night. Edited January 23, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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