Buffalo03 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: Why would we give up more for Hopkins now than the Cardinals did 4 years ago? Hard pass if that’s what they want. Go get Jeudy for the same price or trade up in the draft to get your WR at a controlled cost. To be fair, Bill o Brien was a moron for letting Hopkins go for what he did 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The way people over value draft picks is embarrassing. A 2nd and a 3rd for one of the 15 best WRs in football? Nah let’s keep them. It’s nothing to piss away those picks on rotational Dlineman that give you almost nothing year after year….yeah that’s no big deal, reload and try again. But here’s a guy that can probably help you win a Super Bowl? And we are thinking that’s too much? Come on. Yeah! And throw in our 1st while you’re at it because we don’t always hit on those either! I’d rather have an old $20M/yr player than a young $5M/yr player on a 5 year contract! It’s not like you can get those in Free Agency for free- wait a sec… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I wonder if when the Cardinals realize they won't get that if they will call us back in a few weeks or maybe draft night to do something. It was said we were the leader and had the best offer on the table. Just because it's not done now, doesn't mean it won't be a month from now Great- 200 more pages…😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Great- 200 more pages…😉 Why not 5 more 100 page seperate threads all talking about the same thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 36 minutes ago, papazoid said: ESPN analytics five thirty eight ranks gabe davis the 100th best WR in NFL......thats like a bottom end #3 wr the have Diggs ranked 4th best overall https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ the bills clearly need a wr2 Look where Deonte Harty ranked in 2021. 😳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: To be fair, Bill o Brien was a moron for letting Hopkins go for what he did Wasn't that basically his "F you" to the Texans because he knew he was on the way out? Edited March 25, 2023 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: Yeah! And throw in our 1st while you’re at it because we don’t always hit on those either! I’d rather have an old $20M/yr player than a young $5M/yr player on a 5 year contract! It’s not like you can get those in Free Agency for free- wait a sec… Our first round pick last year sat behind a below avg 7th round nobody for most of the year. And the sad part is Elam was probably the best corner we had and the coaches didn’t care. All these recent high picks have been game changers. So much so that we have to use constant rotation to get any production. Also had to go out and get Von Miller to mask all the misses. You think the guy we get at 27 is going to be better than Hopkins? Even throughout the length of their rookie deal? Also I’m not asking to trade a first, I’m just humoring the idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: This has Jeudy (tied 24) and Hopkins (26) ranked pretty much the same. Jeudy gets open more and slightly better yac. But Hopkins has unreal hands, among the best in the league. The issue Bills receivers had last year was drops And considering Josh is throwing on the run quite often, the throw might not be exactly pinpoint accurate every time. Get the ball in the vicinity of the receiver and allow a receiver with the hands of someone like DHop to make a play on the ball. Edited March 25, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, H2o said: No we don't. We still need to add to the defense and the OL. We only have 6 picks. If we give up that for Hopkins, AND have to find a way to navigate his salary, we'd be in trouble. Since we’ve drafted Allen. We’ve used a 1st round pick on an LB, 2 on the DL. And one on a CB. 4 out of 5. As well as two more DLs with 2nd rounders. And an absurd amount for Miller. KC and Cinci don’t need to add to the Defense. And I’ll take Dhop over some rotation DL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The way people over value draft picks is embarrassing. A 2nd and a 3rd for one of the 15 best WRs in football? Nah let’s keep them. It’s nothing to piss away those picks on rotational Dlineman that give you almost nothing year after year….yeah that’s no big deal, reload and try again. But here’s a guy that can probably help you win a Super Bowl? And we are thinking that’s too much? Come on. Im all for Offense, and Allen is not Stafford - so I’m not saying we’d become the Rams, but this is why the Rams are in a 2-3 year rebuild after going for it. Trading tons of high picks for massive contracts. And you can say “well, they won..” Ok.. sure.. they also didn’t play in the current AFC. We desperately need Beane to hit on cheap talent this draft. Soo.. let’s trade away both Day 2 picks and eat 19M? So we have RD1 and Three Day 3 picks… in a Draft where the Chiefs have like 11. We’re likely adding void years onto Hopkins contract and/or trading Oliver to free up 10M and get back a Day 3 pick. So now we have no money and still could use RT competition, a couple DT’s, a LB and S/CB depth depending on what we do with Benford. Id LOVE Hopkins on this team, but not to the extent where I want Beane to get straight up laughed at my trading away multiple Day 2 picks and eating that entire contract. That’s insanity… and the Cardinals GM is likely not making a great first impression amongst his peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 51 minutes ago, Magox said: Arizona is holding out, they don’t have to make a deal today. But they will lessen their demands before the draft and someone will get Hopkins most likely for a 3rd and 5th sort of value. Also, I found this clip to be interesting. Chris Brown who many believe to be a sort of mouthpiece for the Bills organization flat out saying that the Bills need to get a legitimate #2 WR. Kinda like I was saying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Highest I would go is a 6th this year plus a 3rd next year… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Beane to Jerry Juedy: “You up?” LOL. Speaking of which, there are some posters in this thread who need to take a nap. 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Look where Deonte Harty ranked in 2021. 😳 At his press conference last week Beane said that they acquired Harty with the idea that he would be their 4th wideout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathja Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) How much of the contract would the Cardinals eat? Could they lower the cap hit for the bills significantly? I would think doing that is worth a higher pick. They would be accommodating the bills and their cap situation. Edited March 25, 2023 by mathja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Magox said: Kinda like I was saying Considering the Cooks trade was for a 2023 5th round and a 2024 6th round, AZ is crazy if they think they are going to get anything better than a 3rd at best for him. Especially if what's being reported is true that basically no other teams are interested any longer besides us. Edited March 25, 2023 by Billz4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 more pages to surpass the OBJ thread... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mathja said: How much of the contract would the Cardinals eat? Could they lower the cap hit for the bills significantly? I would think doing that is worth a higher pick. They would be accommodating the bills and their cap situation. But that’s the issue .. reports make it sound like they want multiple Day 2 picks and won’t take on any of the salary. If I had to guess, Beane’s offer is something like a 5th and next years 6th if AZ unloads the entire cap hit on us, up to a 4th and next years 5th if they eat some cap. Using Cooks trade, acknowledging that Hopkins is a much better player. Id be surprised if Beane, or anyone, ever entertains a Day 2 pick when, even if they eat some cap, the receiving team still has to accommodate 10M+ somehow. Edited March 25, 2023 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: 4 more pages to surpass the OBJ thread... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Has Hopkins been acquired yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, TOboy said: I’d do a 2, but I actually think a 3 gets this done. Would be even better if it were from next year’s draft. This leak is all posturing. I'd do a 3rd at the most, but I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. We need OT and MLB with our first two picks. We swing that and Hopkins, the offseason is won. Everything else is details and depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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