Josh Allen - Psychology - Coaching

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, KeLLy1278 said:

He’s also thrown 4 ints in the red zone in his last two games.  Throw in a fumble at his own goal line that was recovered by the Vikings for a TD at the end of the 4th QTR today.  

Did you miss the part where he's the only reason they didn't lose in regulation?

[JDubya76]

Seeing that still shot of a wide open motor on the last pick literally makes me nauseous 

[Process]

Why is Dorsey calling a play on 2nd and 10 from the 20 where 3/4 of the receivers are in the end zone. 

 

He is a major part of the problem.

 

This offense lacks creativity and common sense. And his play calling is atrocious.

[ALLinALLEN]

Just now, JDubya76 said:

Seeing that still shot of a wide open motor on the last pick literally makes me nauseous 

can you post a screengrab or link? didnt see that (might regret wanting to)

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I gave you two shots and you're still fixated on the completely wrong thing. Allen did everything he needed to do to win today and then his defense cost him the game and he took them to overtime anyway.

Allen lost the ball on the goal line and also threw a pick in the EZ.  Doing everything needed to win a game involves neither of those things, much less both of them.  Lots of blame to go around after this horrible game, but Allen is a part of it most certainly.

Edited November 14, 2022 by TheCockSportif

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Maybe we could find a role for Frank reicht or Jordan Palmer. Get a guy in Josh’s ear that just tells him to not push the issue.

[KeLLy1278]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Did you miss the part where he's the only reason they didn't lose in regulation?

He’s also one of the biggest reasons that they didn’t win in regulation.  The Bills lost the game and he was part of the problem.  Whether you refuse to acknowledge that is irrelevant.  Go on being Josh’s attorney.. seems like he will need more and more of them as the year moves along.  

He had a  great game throwing to the other team.. you’re definitely right on that account.  He was also annoyed and upset at the postgame press conference because he played a good game.  He didn’t, but if you think he did then that’s all that matters.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, TheCockSportif said:

Allen lost the ball on the goal line and also threw a pick in the EZ.  Doing everything needed to win a game involves neither of those things, much less both of them.  Lots of blame to go around after this horrible game, but Allen is a part of it most certainly.

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 the game is over and there's no fumble on the goalline or pick int he endzone. The D couldn't do that so the rest is a consequence of that failure

Just now, KeLLy1278 said:

He’s also one of the biggest reasons that they didn’t win in regulation.  The Bills lost the game and he was part of the problem.  Whether you refuse to acknowledge that is irrelevant.  Go on being Josh’s attorney.. seems like he will need more and more of them as the year moves along.  

He had a  great game throwing to the other team.. you’re definitely right on that account.  He was also annoyed and upset at the postgame press conference because he played a good game.  He didn’t, but if you think he did then that’s all that matters.

🤡

[popcornpam]

20 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Peterson said he knew from film study what Allen was gonna do on his game winning INT.  That sucked to hear. He knew the exact route Gabe was running.

Dorsey better come up with more plays!

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Process said:

Why is Dorsey calling a play on 2nd and 10 from the 20 where 3/4 of the receivers are in the end zone. 

 

He is a major part of the problem.

 

This offense lacks creativity and common sense. And his play calling is atrocious.

This. 
 

Dorsey allows Allen to go hero mode when you dial up hero mode route concepts.  

 

We get a first down.  Great position to win the game.  1:50ish left. Two timeouts.  
 

Next two play designs were called like we were down 4 with 16 secs left.  
 

I’ll give grace that maybe the option is for Allen to just run if the TD isn’t open, hence no one running a route shallow or middle of the field .. but the throws dialed up for Allen only serve to encourage him to be hyper aggressive with no other option other than Singletary leaking out late.. and Allen would rather commit seppuku than check down there, if he would have even seen him. 
 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by SCBills

[LABILLBACKER]

They've created this monster.  They're asking him to be 92% of the offense. This includes both running & passing. For a very short yet successful time, Josh took the checkdowns and it worked. Now he's found himself in more closer games and he's starting to press and return to heroball. Only these coaches can turn his thought process around. That early 4th quarter fg that never was would've helped.  You've created this, now they have to sit him down and change the narrative. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[BillMafia716ix]

Daboll got on Josh’s ass about his careless turnovers. Especially during games. That presence is not on the sideline no more and he’s reverting back to his old habits. 

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 the game is over and there's no fumble on the goalline or pick int he endzone. The D couldn't do that so the rest is a consequence of that failure

But that's not the game that played out today; the D couldn't hold, so it was JA17's shoulders, and he couldn't get it done this time.  You take what's given and you minimize errors.  There's no shame in holding JA17 accountable like the rest of the team that willed itself to lose this one.

Edited November 14, 2022 by TheCockSportif

[KeLLy1278]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 the game is over and there's no fumble on the goalline or pick int he endzone. The D couldn't do that so the rest is a consequence of that failure

🤡

Do you realize that even Josh would laugh at your take? 😂 

[BillMafia716ix]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This. 
 

Dorsey allows Allen to go hero mode when you dial up hero mode route concepts.  

 

We get a first down.  Great position to win the game.  1:50ish left. Two timeouts.  
 

Next two play designs were called like we were down 4 with 16 secs left.  
 

I’ll give grace that maybe the option is for Allen to just run if the TD isn’t open, this none running a route shallow or middle of the field .. but the throws dialed up for Allen only serve to encourage him to be hyper aggressive with no other option other than Singletary leaking out late.. and Allen would rather commit seppuku than check down there, if he would have even seen him. 
 

 

I was screaming at the TV for Buffalo to call a draw play. Middle of the field was wide open. They weren’t defending it at all…and we still had two timeouts. The offensive coordinator is putting way too much on Josh Allen plate. He literally has to make all the plays.

[UKBillFan]

14 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Did you miss the part where he's the only reason they didn't lose in regulation?

Though he’s the reason we didn’t win in regulation too. 

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Though he’s the reason we didn’t win in regulation too. 

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 it's game over. I guess that was too much to ask from Frazier. He likes to make games interesting with 13 seconds, Hail Murray and the like.

[BillsFan130]

What makes me not panic , is he literally had this funk last year where he tried to chase the big play.

 

He will be fine.

 

For whatever reason he seems prone to this for a few games each year.

 

When the games get bigger, I’m confident he will be back to MVP Josh

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

If the defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 it's game over. I guess that was too much to ask from Frazier. He likes to make games interesting with 13 seconds, Hail Murray and the like.

Our defense is always going to have issues when down Hyde, White, Poyer, Rousseau and Edmunds. That’s too many starters for any team to carry. As it is, again, Frasier called up a decent design where we should have got an incompletion. The execution was off. Then, in the final play, Dorsey called up a decent design which left Motor free underneath. The execution was off.

 

Other than not taking the FG over the attempted TD I can’t blame too much on coaching today. With so many players out on defense it was always going to be rough, and the offensive players - particularly Josh - messed the bed when it mattered.

[Nextmanup]

I do wonder if Josh's mental condition is related to how we have structured the offense.

 

He's the entire team and there is a LOT of focused pressure on him every play.

 

The only big name besides him is Diggs, but Diggs still can't throw the ball to himself.  It begins with Josh. 

 

It's ALL ON JOSH, ALL THE TIME.

 

I wonder if the pressure has cracked him.

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

Our defense is always going to have issues when down Hyde, White, Poyer, Rousseau and Edmunds. That’s too many starters for any team to carry. As it is, again, Frasier called up a decent design where we should have got an incompletion. The execution was off. Then, in the final play, Dorsey called up a decent design which left Motor free underneath. The execution was off.

 

Other than not taking the FG over the attempted TD I can’t blame too much on coaching today. With so many players out on defense it was always going to be rough, and the offensive players - particularly Josh - messed the bed when it mattered.

Sorry you can't blame it on talent when you continue to rush 4 and drop back into cover 4 or prevent year after year in every situation that requires a stop and you get beat anyway. It's not talent, it's situational scheme.

[Slippery_Slope]

I’m starting to get like, 5% nervous that JA is going to have a similar career to a Cam Newton or Daunte Culpepper…has a few MVP caliber years, then for whatever reason just flames out. I don’t *think* that will happen but dang…he looks great one minute, then boneheaded plays, missing open guys, and turning the ball over the next. It’s baffling. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

39 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I can’t imagine being Allen and having people worship him likes he’s some god or something, it’s weird.

 

One second he’s some unknown QB from Firebaugh, the next second he’s the top story on every major News outlet. That’s enough to screw with anyones head. I can’t imagine.

 

I think Allen’s problem is that there’s a lot of pressure on him, he’s THE guy and he knows it. The best thing McD and co can do is to build a stellar team around him to lessen the load.

To the points of Daboll v. Dorsey, is it possible that their differences in personality are adding to any pressure Josh is feeling too?  We all saw how competitive Dorsey is when the Bills lost to the Dolphins.  Josh is also uber-  competitive and already his harshest critic.  When Josh does make a mistake, how might Dorsey be reacting versus Daboll’s approach?  MJ never won his first NBA championship until the Bulls brought in the zen master himself, Phil Jackson.  The psychological aspect to Josh’s recent play is intriguing.

[BillsFan130]

14 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Sorry you can't blame it on talent when you continue to rush 4 and drop back into cover 4 or prevent year after year in every situation that requires a stop and you get beat anyway. It's not talent, it's situational scheme.

Thank you, Frazier is horrible .

 

Cousins statistically is not good against the blitz.

 

So our game plan all game is to rush 4 and play 1 on 1 with our rookie corner for three quarters of the game against JJ?

 

Makes perfect sense..

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Thank you, Frazier is horrible .

 

Cousins statistically is not good against the blitz.

 

So our game plan all game is to rush 4 and play 1 on 1 with our rookie corner for three quarters of the game against JJ?

 

Makes perfect sense..

 

What answers do you think he comes up with when your entire starting secondary is out?

 

 

[BillsFan130]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

What answers do you think he comes up with when your entire starting secondary is out?

 

 

Mix in a blitz since cousins sucks under pressure? Double Jefferson instead of playing 1 on 1 with deep safety help?

 

Any of those would do just fine.

 

The guy is just so scared to give up a 50 yard TD pass and would rather give up 15 yards on 3rd and 10 consistently 

Edited November 14, 2022 by BillsFan130

[BullBuchanan]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

What answers do you think he comes up with when your entire starting secondary is out?

 

 

The same answers he did when they weren't. This isn't a week 10 2022 problem. It's been going on for 5 years.

16 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Thank you, Frazier is horrible .

 

Cousins statistically is not good against the blitz.

 

So our game plan all game is to rush 4 and play 1 on 1 with our rookie corner for three quarters of the game against JJ?

 

Makes perfect sense..

I was praying that Frazier would get a HC job last year and then he kiboshed that with the 13 seconds fiasco. It's basically the same thing he did today and keeps on doing and every time people act surprised.

[SirAndrew]

30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Sorry you can't blame it on talent when you continue to rush 4 and drop back into cover 4 or prevent year after year in every situation that requires a stop and you get beat anyway. It's not talent, it's situational scheme.

Josh’s goal line fumble was ugly, but he also put up the type of numbers Bills fans could only dream about for decades. This scheme has caused Hail Murray, 13 Seconds, and today’s debacle. I’m sure there’s more I’m missing, but my point is that we’ve lost multiple once in a lifetime games. It’s not coincidental that it happened to the same coaching staff.  

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The same answers he did when they weren't. This isn't a week 10 2022 problem. It's been going on for 5 years.

I was praying that Frazier would get a HC job last year and then he kiboshed that with the 13 seconds fiasco. It's basically the same thing he did today and keeps on doing and every time people act surprised.

Oh same. 
 

3rd round comp pick for a guy who can never learn to get out of a prevent defence?

 

I was praying it would happen.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

They've created this monster.  They're asking him to be 92% of the offense. This includes both running & passing. For a very short yet successful time, Josh took the checkdowns and it worked. Now he's found himself in more closer games and he's starting to press and return to heroball. Only these coaches can turn his thought process around. That early 4th quarter fg that never was would've helped.  You've created this, now they have to sit him down and change the narrative. 

“We can’t run the ball” 

 

That’s the mantra right? 
 

25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

What answers do you think he comes up with when your entire starting secondary is out?

 

 

Everyone in the stadium, everyone watching at home, knew the Vikings had one freaking player that could beat them.

 

One guy.

 

Kirk Cousins literally was turtling and throwing blindly down the field. 
 

Maybe a true double team??????????????????????