SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 12:10 AM, nedboy7 said: Coaching created the #1 defense to begin with though. Expand But we didn’t play the Chiefs every week…thankfully. 1 Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 I say again: Most overrated player on the team. 2 1 1 Quote
Brand J Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 2:40 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I say again: Most overrated player on the team. Expand He’s had a couple called back due to penalty, otherwise he’d be atop this list with 4.5 games played. 1 1 Quote
ArtVandalay Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 12:10 AM, nedboy7 said: Coaching created the #1 defense to begin with though. Expand Bill Buckner was a 289 career hitter. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 8:39 PM, HOUSE said: He likes horses and lives in East Aurora....he stays (Private joke ) . Expand I got one. A drill sergeant grumbles at his fresh young trainee, “I didn’t see you at camouflage training this morning, Private.” “Thank you very much, Sir,” replies the soldier. 3 Quote
FilthyBeast Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 2:40 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I say again: Most overrated player on the team. Expand At what point do you look at coaching for the lack of sack production on this team? Especially since Jerry Hughes (who I also personally thought was finished in this league) is putting up numbers in Houston. If this team does fall short of lofty expectations once again this year after last offsesaon's defensive line overhaul it's clearly time to part ways with the likes of Frazier and Washington. Either that or Beane is publicly admitting his repeated failures. 1 1 1 Quote
ArtVandalay Posted November 12, 2022 Posted November 12, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 11:22 PM, FilthyBeast said: At what point do you look at coaching for the lack of sack production on this team? Especially since Jerry Hughes (who I also personally thought was finished in this league) is putting up numbers in Houston. If this team does fall short of lofty expectations once again this year after last offsesaon's defensive line overhaul it's clearly time to part ways with the likes of Frazier and Washington. Either that or Beane is publicly admitting his repeated failures. Expand They want Frazier to get hired as a Head Coach to get the draft pick compensation. 1 Quote
Monty98 Posted November 12, 2022 Posted November 12, 2022 I don't understand why people think DT get astronomical sack numbers. Ed will get some looks every once in a while where he's single blocked, but he's often going to get chipped by a RB in the pass game. Oliver gets great penetration, but the downfall with that is you lead to a secondary block. The benefit of that is you take that running back out of the play. I understand stand people expect 10+ sack seasons cause he was drafted at 9. That is absurd, if he's constantly in the 6-8 range as a DT and gets his share of TFLs we are winning with him. Secondly, I do believe he has a high ankle sprain.. that's what he got dinged up with? I'm 3 months out from a high ankle sprain and I still don't have full strength/weight bearing ability. Granted he's an athlete with a world class rehab team, but they always tell people the high ankle sprains last and linger all season 1 2 Quote
balln Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 People talking about how oliver was slighted with pro bowl announcements. puuuhhhleaase How did we draft a 6' undersized player from a mid major over , the guys after. SIMMONS, wilkins, lawrence, burns..... all massive 6 4 from schools like clemson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_NFL_Draft#Supplemental_draft its a big whiff IMO. drafting 9th overall. you have to get a better player than what oliver is. 1.5 sacks this year. needed a dareus 10 sack performance. not gonna get it im afraid On 11/12/2022 at 2:14 AM, Monty98 said: I don't understand why people think DT get astronomical sack numbers. Ed will get some looks every once in a while where he's single blocked, but he's often going to get chipped by a RB in the pass game. Oliver gets great penetration, but the downfall with that is you lead to a secondary block. The benefit of that is you take that running back out of the play. I understand stand people expect 10+ sack seasons cause he was drafted at 9. That is absurd, if he's constantly in the 6-8 range as a DT and gets his share of TFLs we are winning with him. Secondly, I do believe he has a high ankle sprain.. that's what he got dinged up with? I'm 3 months out from a high ankle sprain and I still don't have full strength/weight bearing ability. Granted he's an athlete with a world class rehab team, but they always tell people the high ankle sprains last and linger all season Expand he doestnt get 6-8! 2 1 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 8:01 PM, balln said: People talking about how oliver was slighted with pro bowl announcements. puuuhhhleaase How did we draft a 6' undersized player from a mid major over , the guys after. SIMMONS, wilkins, lawrence, burns..... all massive 6 4 from schools like clemson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_NFL_Draft#Supplemental_draft its a big whiff IMO. drafting 9th overall. you have to get a better player than what oliver is. 1.5 sacks this year. needed a dareus 10 sack performance. not gonna get it im afraid he doestnt get 6-8! Expand Simmons was a guy I liked going into that draft but he got hurt late in his senior season so there was question about his ability to return. I was happy with Ed but the truth is his numbers don't warrant a top 10 pick and while love him back I don't think he deserves top dollar but someone likely will give it to him. 1 Quote
balln Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 8:07 PM, The Jokeman said: Simmons was a guy I liked going into that draft but he got hurt late in his senior season so there was question about his ability to return. I was happy with Ed but the truth is his numbers don't warrant a top 10 pick and while love him back I don't think he deserves top dollar but someone likely will give it to him. Expand mostly there with you. its definitely retrospective. but thats what i love doin surrounding team building and draft picks. only to evaluate is after the fact. On 12/22/2022 at 8:10 PM, Ramza86 said: #freezingcoldtakes Expand its needed for the ridiculous hot takes / oliver got snubbed from pro bowl Quote
benderbender Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 The Edmunds thread has made debating the play of certain players super vague, generalized, and--by the standards of this board-- indefensible. Here's the go to that we can apply to any player: It's the plays he takes away that you don't see that makes him valuable. His size is an asset. He only does what the coaches ask of him. He's a leader. He would not be easily replaced. He could go to any other team to get paid and we're lucky to have him. By the laws of the Edmunds thread, this argument is over and I win. Anyone who has specific examples is just a hater and likes to lose somehow. 1 Quote
BuffaloBaumer Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 I think he must have a lingering injury. He was a monster the 2nd half of last year so not sure what happened there... Quote
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) On 12/22/2022 at 8:22 PM, BuffaloBaumer said: I think he must have a lingering injury. He was a monster the 2nd half of last year so not sure what happened there... Expand He has also been a monster this year, right up to the point where he got injured you don’t measure a defensive tackles, production in sacks, and Oliver is more of a disruptor having said that thinking that Oliver should make the pro bowl is silly because he has been inconsistent due to his injuries Edited December 22, 2022 by John from Riverside 1 Quote
NewEra Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 8:10 PM, balln said: mostly there with you. its definitely retrospective. but thats what i love doin surrounding team building and draft picks. only to evaluate is after the fact. its needed for the ridiculous hot takes / oliver got snubbed from pro bowl Expand Are there really that many people saying he got snubbed? I haven’t seen anyone say that. Ed is 4th alternate- the real snub is Daquan. He should’ve been 1st or 2nd alternate based on his play the worst alternate- Saffold being 2nd alternate 🤮 maybe 2nd to last alternate 2 Quote
Beck Water Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 8:28 PM, NewEra said: Are there really that many people saying he got snubbed? I haven’t seen anyone say that. Ed is 4th alternate- the real snub is Daquan. He should’ve been 1st or 2nd alternate based on his play the worst alternate- Saffold being 2nd alternate 🤮 maybe 2nd to last alternate Expand I think that's one of those Ben Franklin "let a man once develop a reputation for being an early riser, and he may sleep until noon" things 1 Quote
NewEra Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 8:32 PM, Beck Water said: I think that's one of those Ben Franklin "let a man once develop a reputation for being an early riser, and he may sleep until noon" things Expand Yeah, like Ruben Brown collecting pro bowl after pro bowl because of his name . He wasn’t as bad as Saffold this year, but I don’t think he deserved a couple of those pro bowls at the end. 1 Quote
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 7:34 PM, ArtVandalay said: We had the #1 defense in the NFL. Coaching blew the Chiefs game, don't kid yourself. Expand That #1 ranking was a mirage. We played a bunch of bad teams & offenses. The opposing QB list, at that time, was riddled bad young QBs and bad old QBs. The list of bad QBs faced last year: Jones - twice Wilson & White - once each Tua - twice Mills Heinicke Siemian Ryan Wentz Newton Lawrence Roethlisberger Average QB faced: Tannehill Good QBs faced: Mahomes Brady Quote
NewEra Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 8:42 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: That #1 ranking was a mirage. We played a bunch of bad teams & offenses. The opposing QB list, at that time, was riddled bad young QBs and bad old QBs. The list of bad QBs faced last year: Jones - twice Wilson & White - once each Tua - twice Mills Heinicke Siemian Ryan Wentz Newton Lawrence Roethlisberger Average QB faced: Tannehill Good QBs faced: Mahomes Brady Expand You’re right, it was a mirage…. but coaching lost that game. There is no doubt. Quote
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