Einstein Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 A challenge definitely would not have worked. This Packers receiver had 2 feet down & 2 elbows down (before the ball came out), and it was still marked incomplete. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 seems crazy that that’s not a touchdown. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, RiotAct said: seems crazy that that’s not a touchdown. I agree. I feel that 2 feet down and 2 elbows down should absolutely be a Touchdown. But alas, we don’t make the rules! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 It was not a touchdown because the receiver was falling to the ground before the second point of contact (in this case 2nd foot). As a rule, the possession must be retained throughout contact with the ground. Davis was never going to the ground, so 2 points of contact with football move was the requirement. The two plays are comparing apples to oranges. 2 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, nkreed said: It was not a touchdown because the receiver was falling to the ground before the second point of contact (in this case 2nd foot). As a rule, the possession must be retained throughout contact with the ground. Davis was never going to the ground, so 2 points of contact with football move was the requirement. The two plays are comparing apples to oranges. I thought the league got rid of the “surviving the ground” rule? I’m pretty sure they changed that a few years ago. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I thought the league got rid of the “surviving the ground” rule? I’m pretty sure they changed that a few years ago. They did get rid of the rule, but for whatever reason, it hasn't really gone away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 We know. The rules have not changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Matt_In_NH said: We know. The rules have not changed The rules are subjective. The rule literally states that a receiver needs the time equivalent to make a football move. How much time even is that!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 I think the better topic when talking about Gabe is that it's pretty clear he is not healthy. A complete non-factor the last 2 games. He should sit until he's actually healthy and can make positive contributions. If he's playing hurt, playing is only going to prolong it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, RiotAct said: seems crazy that that’s not a touchdown. Agree. If the ground can't cause a fumble then this should be a TD. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, Einstein said: A challenge definitely would not have worked. This Packers receiver had 2 feet down & 2 elbows down (before the ball came out), and it was still marked incomplete. That is a different scenario as the Green Bay player fell to ground bringing in the rule that he needs to survive impact with the ground whereas Davis did not fall down so that part would have not come into play. I don't believe Davis' was a TD tho, he had it knocked away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 It was too hot in Miami. Plus the Dolphins forfeited the win because of the neurologist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, H2o said: Agree. If the ground can't cause a fumble then this should be a TD. The ground can't cause a fumble in this case bc only ball that is a catch can be fumbled. I hate this rule on plays like this, but the ground can most definitely cause an incompletion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I told you last week. And I knew as soon as I saw the Doubs one that wasn't a touchdown. The rule is pretty clear and applied consistently. Whether the rule is right is a different question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, Einstein said: The rules are subjective. The rule literally states that a receiver needs the time equivalent to make a football move. How much time even is that!? The rule is subjective but the Davis no. Catch was a very clear no catch. Challenging that is a sucker move. The GB game was closer but even that is not a catch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 49 minutes ago, Big Turk said: That is a different scenario as the Green Bay player fell to ground bringing in the rule that he needs to survive impact with the ground whereas Davis did not fall down so that part would have not come into play. I don't believe Davis' was a TD tho, he had it knocked away. They got rid of the rule about surviving the ground. A few years ago. 31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I told you last week. And I knew as soon as I saw the Doubs one that wasn't a touchdown. The rule is pretty clear and applied consistently. Whether the rule is right is a different question. I have no problem admitting when i’m wrong. I actually enjoy it. That’s the way people grow! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Gabe’s was worse than that…ball came loose right away. Non issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 He lost the ball going to ground, which is why a Gabe Davis comparison is ludicrous. Apples and oranges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Einstein said: A challenge definitely would not have worked. This Packers receiver had 2 feet down & 2 elbows down (before the ball came out), and it was still marked incomplete. Not saying Davis challenge would have won but this is a completely different circumstance. Can't compare a ball getting punched out after the catch to a guy diving and losing the ball hitting the ground. Hilarious how they stopped the video and didn't show the play through. It wasn't even a question that this wasn't a catch. He barely had the ball for a split second. Edited October 3, 2022 by ArtVandalay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Einstein said: I have no problem admitting when i’m wrong. I actually enjoy it. That’s the way people grow! The one thing worse than being wrong is knowing you are wrong and digging in anyway. We all get stuff wrong when we have strong opinions. No shame there. Good on you for owning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) Bills won yesterday so it made the OP angry and he went back to watch the Bills loss from an old game. Edited October 3, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 10 hours ago, Einstein said: A challenge definitely would not have worked. This Packers receiver had 2 feet down & 2 elbows down (before the ball came out), and it was still marked incomplete. Basically exactly what you were told in the other thread. This is not a catch because in the act of making the catch - he goes to the ground (due to the tackle) before completing the catch and therefore must maintain the catch through the ground which he did not do. It is very different from the Davis end zone play, but neither were a TD based on how the league rules catches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I thought when the guy tucked the ball away that was a football move that completed the catch and when a body part touched the ground he would have been down, touchdown.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: This is not a catch because in the act of making the catch - he goes to the ground (due to the tackle) before completing the catch and therefore must maintain the catch through the ground which he did not do. For what feels like the billionth time, going to the ground has nothing to do with it. The ground has literally zero to do with a catch. You regurgitated what others said even when it was wrong. Due to the new rules, a catch going to the ground and a catch standing up, follows the same exact rules. Therefore Gabe Davis non-TD and this non-TD is the exact same rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Rules are different if you are falling to the ground. You have to maintain control throught out entire if you are falling down. Gabe was not so it wouldn't have mattered 41 minutes ago, Einstein said: For what feels like the billionth time, going to the ground has nothing to do with it. The ground has literally zero to do with a catch. You regurgitated what others said even when it was wrong. Due to the new rules, a catch going to the ground and a catch standing up, follows the same exact rules. Therefore Gabe Davis non-TD and this non-TD is the exact same rules. Even tho is not officially a rule anymore refs still use it as a guidline to determine what is and isnt a catch... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Rules are different if you are falling to the ground. No they arent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Einstein said: A challenge definitely would not have worked. This Packers receiver had 2 feet down & 2 elbows down (before the ball came out), and it was still marked incomplete. this was not a catch. he lost it when he hit the ground and the ball hit the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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