Bills “trying to run the clock out” on Tre’Davious White PUP list decision

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Absolutely.  Putting him on the PUP makes him unavailable for several weeks. Sounds like they think he may be available in the first few weeks of the season.  

Putting him on the PUP means he doesn't count against the 53. If they don't and he can't play it's one less healthy player for game day. 

I'd be shocked if he plays by week 8.  Let him heal for another two months.  He is needed in Dec, Jan, and Feb not Sept or Oct.  

[Doc]

47 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

There's a good chance this team is sitting around .500 after the first half of the season given the schedule and how many good QB/offenses we face.

 

We don't need to rush him, but we also should have adequately addressed the DB position in FA instead of relying on rookies, including a 1st rounder that doesn't look like he's ready to make a meaningful contribution right away and whose career could be adversely impacted by forcing him into the lineup against some of the league's elite QB/WR combos we are going to see in the first half of the season.

 

As for the continued word salad from McD/Beane/etc they know he's likely not ready and won't be any time soon hence the 'run out the clock' type of comment because once he is put on PUP or IR they don't have to answer media questions anytime soon.

 

There's a better chance they're 6-2 at the halfway mark.

[JaCrispy]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

Nothing new here. I'd be shocked if he didn't miss the first 4 games at least.

I predict him back at the bye week (week 7)…

[Hermes]

I've had this thought for a while; that the Bills are holding him back "from football activities" intentionally.  They have the confidence to roll with Elam, and/or Benford because of the talent/scheme around them. 

 

They're going to season the rookies until they want Tre White to come back and then ease him back into the fold. Then you have Tre, Jackson, and the rookies splitting time until the playoffs.  Which is when you send Tre and Elam (or whoever shows the best) locking it down in crunch time.

[Simon Says]

3 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

rather have Tre be fully healthy,  no timetable.   just heal up fully.    cut somebody, make some space and go sign Haden if Tre cant be ready for the first however many games.

Tre is too good of a player to put back on the field too early and reinjure himself.   get him ready for the postseason if need be.

With the cap situation I dont see them signing anybody now. No guarantees some 30-something 

whom NOBODY ELSE has signed yet would be better than Jackson/Elam/Benford 

[bigduke6]

1 hour ago, Georgie said:

With the cap situation I dont see them signing anybody now. No guarantees some 30-something 

whom NOBODY ELSE has signed yet would be better than Jackson/Elam/Benford 

u do realize that its very possible Haden has been waiting to see where the dominos fall,  and didnt really want to be in a training camp at his age.   word was he was waiting on Cleveland to find out if Watson was going to play before he decided where to go.  probably doesnt want just a check, he wants to win as well.    youre putting alot of faith in  2 rookies with zero NFL experience, and another guy who isnt terrible,  but is young and not really a number 1 CB.   if anything,  Haden brings plenty of experience.   price may be too high though.

[mannc]

5 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Have a feeling he's back after the week 7 buy, just in time to play the Packers.

What are the Bills planning to buy in week 7?

[djp14150]

7 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

The fact that they are waiting so long seems to suggest he’s close and they think he could potentially be ready for the start of the season. That’s positive news for sure! 

i think it’s the opposite.

 

they want to wait and see ispf no CBS get hurt in next game.

 

if everyone is healthy..he goes on PUP. If one gets hurt then he’s on the roster and might be back for week 3.

 

if they have other players injured they could use his spot , put him on PUP, then carry player to in season then IR.

[BigDingus]

I'd rather them just play it safe & let him sit the first 4 games.

 

If they're still on the fence, better to just be cautious. It's a long, 17 game season. Bills have some tough early opponents, but "13 seconds" still stands as a painful reminder how important it'll be to have him as healthy as possible come playoff time.

[chongli]

Some of the comments from the article thread are not making me happy:

 

1. "bostonblows says:

August 23, 2022 at 1:52 pm

It would be wise to hold White out until after they face Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle Week 3."

 

2. "yeahbut says:

August 23, 2022 at 1:53 pm

“We’re trying to run out the clock here …”

 

I’m expecting they’ll come up 13 seconds short."

 

3. "touchback6 says:

August 23, 2022 at 2:04 pm

[...]

I mean, has there even been a more chokier franchise in NFL history than the Buffalo Bills?

I’d say Minnesota is in there, too, but the ways in which Buffalo has choked is fascinating. Even if you drew it up, you couldn’t quite make it up.

LOL

Their secondary is going to be a mess to start the year like it was last year when KC just shreded them to the moon and back."

 

[Richard Noggin]

9 minutes ago, chongli said:

Some of the comments from the article thread are not making me happy:

 

1. "bostonblows says:

August 23, 2022 at 1:52 pm

It would be wise to hold White out until after they face Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle Week 3."

 

2. "yeahbut says:

August 23, 2022 at 1:53 pm

“We’re trying to run out the clock here …”

 

I’m expecting they’ll come up 13 seconds short."

 

3. "touchback6 says:

August 23, 2022 at 2:04 pm

[...]

I mean, has there even been a more chokier franchise in NFL history than the Buffalo Bills?

I’d say Minnesota is in there, too, but the ways in which Buffalo has choked is fascinating. Even if you drew it up, you couldn’t quite make it up.

LOL

Their secondary is going to be a mess to start the year like it was last year when KC just shreded them to the moon and back."

 

 

#3 needs to chill

[chongli]

5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

There's a good chance this team is sitting around .500 after the first half of the season given the schedule and how many good QB/offenses we face.

 

 

You mean Tua (lol)?

Sammy Watkins and Randall Cobb, who haven't touched 1,000 yards receiving in years, and newbie Adam Lazard? Aaron Jones?

Lamar Jackson (lol) to Rashod Bateman, James Proche, and Devin Duvernay?

Ryan Tannenhill?

Mitch Trubisky or Kenny Pickett?

 

Sure, we have some tough games, but we should win most. 6-2, as Doc said, or better sounds about right. I'd be surprised with 3-5 or 4-4 or even 5-3.

 

Surprised you haven't been banned for trolling yet.

Edited August 24, 2022 by chongli

[KDIGGZ]

I think they should put Tre on PUP and sign a veteran. Going into the season with Super Bowl aspirations but having your #1 corner be Dane Jackson? Not good. Didn't they learn from 13 seconds?

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd be shocked if he did.

 

Yeah........IMO that @Miami game being in the first month sticks out as a day when they really want all hands on deck in the secondary.

 

It's important to keep Miami down and avoid a tight divisional race like the one they played themselves into last year by treating the middle of the season with a lack of urgency..........and also to not let the "Tyreek effect" become a thing in that rivalry.

[Shaw66]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Putting him on the PUP means he doesn't count against the 53. If they don't and he can't play it's one less healthy player for game day. 

I'd be shocked if he plays by week 8.  Let him heal for another two months.  He is needed in Dec, Jan, and Feb not Sept or Oct.  

I'm not talking about when is the right time to bring him back.  What you say is correct.  But if he's healthy and can play in week 2, then the Bills will want him available to play.  If they've put him on the PUP, then he's not available.  They don't want him on the PUP if he can play. So, they'll wait as long as they can before they do that. 

[Buffalosouth]

I'd rather he miss more time and come back at 85% of what he was over him coming back early and being 70% with higher risk of re-injury

[machine gun kelly]

I like their philosophy of wait until a player is completely healthy before bringing him back so he doesn’t re-injure himself.

 

I hate it as much anyone, but I don’t want him down for the year on a SB potential run.  If anything, I just want him for the KC game. 
 

For all the hype on Lamar, he had the 32nd ranked passing game last year.  The Ravens will be good in week 4, but this is more of a Phillips, Settle, Jones, and Oliver problem penetrating up the middle shutting down the run game.

[HamSandwhich]

7 hours ago, djp14150 said:

i think it’s the opposite.

 

they want to wait and see ispf no CBS get hurt in next game.

 

if everyone is healthy..he goes on PUP. If one gets hurt then he’s on the roster and might be back for week 3.

 

if they have other players injured they could use his spot , put him on PUP, then carry player to in season then IR.

Interesting thought but I don’t think they’d mess with Tre’s health. It’s all about him in my opinion. I could see where you’re coming from though. 

[Doc Brown]

My gut feeling is they activate him to the 53 man roster before the season starts.  He'll first get playing time in the home opener against the Titans and they slowly increase his reps until he's a full go against the Chiefs.  I base this off nothing.

[GunnerBill]

Did anyone hear Leslie yesterday, he talked about Dane and the rookies being ready if Tre is "inactive" against the Rams. that is the plan IMO. They are going to put him on the 53 man roster but have him inactive for the first game (or two). 

[Billsflyer12]

May mean nothing but a couple small tidbits from yesterday stuck with me.

 

1). GMBB said it wasn’t the Bills Drs who did the surgery.  Not saying Eichel situation but, maybe a bit of disagreement within the camps on time table?

 

2). Buffalo Plus noted yesterday that they hadn’t seen Tre at practice for a few days now.  He had been there working on side, on bike or doing drills with trainers till recently.

[WotAGuy]

6 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

May mean nothing but a couple small tidbits from yesterday stuck with me.

 

1). GMBB said it wasn’t the Bills Drs who did the surgery.  Not saying Eichel situation but, maybe a bit of disagreement within the camps on time table?

 

Maybe not disagreement on timetable, but rather a lack of direct communication with the attending doctors, who are only speaking with Tre. The Bills could only get info from Tre in this scenario.
 

Unless workman’s comp applies to football players….

[SoMAn]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd be shocked if he did.

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but if he's on PUP list, it's probably more than the 4 games dictated by that designation.

He's not allowed to practice on PUP, and when he's eligible to be activated (following those 4 weeks), they're not going to throw him into his first full practice on Wednesday and have him defending WRs on Sunday.

With that in mind, the earliest we could hope to see him (if he goes on PUP) is the KC game. And with a bye the following week after KC, I believe they'd hold off until after the bye.

We'll know a whole lot more in about a week when he is or isn't on the PUP list.

 

If there's any consolation, remember the Bills fared pretty well after Thanksgiving last year when Tre went down. They still have a decent secondary, and with greater pass rush pressure from a bolstered DL,  it should make the CBs jobs easier.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but if he's on PUP list, it's probably more than the 4 games dictated by that designation.

He's not allowed to practice on PUP, and when he's eligible to be activated (following those 4 weeks), they're not going to throw him into his first full practice on Wednesday and have him defending WRs on Sunday.

With that in mind, the earliest we could hope to see him (if he goes on PUP) is the KC game. And with a bye the following week after KC, I believe they'd hold off until after the bye.

We'll know a whole lot more in about a week when he is or isn't on the PUP list.

 

If there's any consolation, remember the Bills fared pretty well after Thanksgiving last year when Tre went down. They still have a decent secondary, and with greater pass rush pressure from a bolstered DL,  it should make the CBs jobs easier.

 

I don't think he is going to start the season on the PUP list. Everything that the Bills are saying suggests they think he is out week 1 but that he has every chance to play in those first 4 weeks. Beane said "we don't rule it out" and Frazier is talking about him being "inactive" week 1. I think it is 75/25 that White comes off the PUP list next week. Agree if he starts the season on PUP he is probably out until at least week 6. I just don't think that is going to happen. 

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Did anyone hear Leslie yesterday, he talked about Dane and the rookies being ready if Tre is "inactive" against the Rams. that is the plan IMO. They are going to put him on the 53 man roster but have him inactive for the first game (or two). 

Agree, it has been the likely outcome since training camp, I think we will be okay at the CB position for the first couple of games without Tre, obviously better with him but the reality is what it is. 

[Tanoros]

19 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

It's getting to the point where it's pretty obvious he won't make the Rams game.  He will be missed.

 

But the next 3 are against Tannehill, Tua and Lamar.  Not the biggest outside and deep passing threats.

Bills getting Tre back after game 4 won't be too bad.  At least it won't be against Mahomes and Rodgers.

Get him healthy if need be, it's a long season.

The thing is, if he goes to the PUP list, he can’t practice either. As good as he is, he is going to need some practice time being for going full go in a game. So he would miss a minimum of 4 games, but would the Bills have him play game 5 with only one week of practice?

 

If they don’t put him on the PUP, it’s one less person that can be stashed, however not everyone on the 53 is active every week. If Tre is close, it might be worth having him inactive for a week or 2, while still being able to practice and ramp up. 
 

The best thing about this news is that he is close. If he wasn’t, he would be on the PUP already. 

[Shaw66]

15 hours ago, Buffalosouth said:

I'd rather he miss more time and come back at 85% of what he was over him coming back early and being 70% with higher risk of re-injury

They will NOT bring him back early, not at this point in the season.   He will be 100% when he comes back. 

[Buffalosouth]

9 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

They will NOT bring him back early, not at this point in the season.   He will be 100% when he comes back. 

I mean 85% of pre-injury form. Hoping for the best from our stud CB. No way they put him on the field if he isn't ready

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

They will NOT bring him back early, not at this point in the season.   He will be 100% when he comes back. 

 

100% healthy, for sure. But 100% of his old self, I doubt he is there the moment he returns. That will take some time. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

You need him for the playoffs not week 1.  Take a much time needed