Training Camp practice 7/29

[NickelCity]

I look forward to a fun season. I don't look forward to the season-long OLine frustration, but c'est la vie. 

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Our coverage schemes and execution are extremely good but McFrazier are risk averse when it comes to scheming pressure packages and have been since they arrived. That’s my point about scheme hindering potential dominance. 

 

Which drives me batty because even if we give up the occasional big play, I've got zero issues with putting the ball back in Allen's hands to get it back.

[Ralonzo]

33 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

regimen ?

just make sure he goes to the doctor and picks up his script from the pharmacy.

Edited July 29, 2022 by Ralonzo

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

No, regiment. 

He’s in the army now.  He’s not behind a plow.

[Tanoros]

9 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

The Bills star players have been healthy for 3 straight years. We are due for a big time injury. Its literally inevitable. 

We lost Tre for the season last year. He is definitely a star player. 

[Since1981]

10 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

lost Tre for the season last year

Injury will be the key to playoffs…yes, stating the obvious but Tre on the field vs KC? Would have made just enough difference. 

[Don Otreply]

6 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

I agree. I was just using the law of statistics. I take it all back. 

As you should, 😁👍🍺

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Cautiously optimistic about aj. We heard the same thing in camp last year too. 

I heard some YouTube guy say that he has been given credit for a sack every day of TC so far, if so that’s a good sign, 👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[Fan in Chicago]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Better now than later.

I'm not opposed to increased reps for the backups during the preseason. 

Except , at a couple of positions, it is not entirely clear who the starters will be so the backup roster is still to be decided

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

The Bills star players have been healthy for 3 straight years. We are due for a big time injury. Its literally inevitable. 

Tre White?  May have cost us a Super Bowl.  Also, what’s wrong with you?

[ganesh]

 

[machine gun kelly]

20 hours ago, Mr Wild said:

Hopefully just a tweak and will be back by week 1

First, I know nothing (as Weo let’s me know regularly 😇🦬 Weo), but my hope by the way described would most likely be a serious bruise to the flute and hip, one fall shouldn’t put him out of alignment.  Bone bruises suck, but he’ll heal.

 

Looks like it’s into the ice bathtub three times a day for you Micah.  Think warm thoughts.  As a betting man, I’ll guess a week out.  The good news is we’d rather see Hyde hurt from a knowledge standpoint that heals since he’s been in the same defensive system since 2017.  Elam losing a TC week would suck.  He needs every spare minute of practice

As we need him as ready as can be at the Rams.

 

Weo, I knew I could kid with you bud.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

First, I know nothing (as Weo let’s me know regularly 😇🦬 Weo), but my hope by the way described would most likely be a serious bruise to the flute and hip, one fall shouldn’t put him out of alignment.  Bone bruises suck, but he’ll heal.

 

Looks like it’s into the ice bathtub three times a day for you Micah.  Think warm thoughts.  As a betting man, I’ll guess a week out.  The good news is we’d rather see Hyde hurt from a knowledge standpoint that heals since he’s been in the same defensive system since 2017.  Elam losing a TC week would suck.  He needs every spare minute of practice

As we need him as ready as can be at the Rams.

 

Weo, I knew I could kid with you bud.

More time on task and reps for Hamlin and Jaquan. Hyde doesn’t need these reps.

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Tre White?  May have cost us a Super Bowl.  Also, what’s wrong with you?

 

 

Meh......SB champions often do so despite key injuries.    

 

And people forget the Chiefs lost their own 3x All Pro and leader of their defense in Tyrann Mathieu on the first series of that divisional game so it was certainly a fair fight between secondaries playing without their best players.

 

Being a VERY disappointing 7-4 at the time that Tre White was hurt.........dooming them to the road in the playoffs where they've not only never won under McDermott.......but never even played a composed 60 minutes without frantic, uncharacteristic mistakes........is clearly what cost the Bills a Super Bowl.    

 

People sometimes just overlook the overwhelmingly obvious to point a finger at fate.

[Big Turk]

22 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

We’ve been so starved for good TE play that we think last year he was a stud…compared to other TE, though, he was solid, but nothing special imo

No…no he’s not…

 

True, but he is definitely ascending after having come in as a very raw prospect that wasn't really involved much in the passing game due to having DK Metcalf andAJ Brown as WR's on his team. I think he is going to take another step this year, possibly a big one.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

More time on task and reps for Hamlin and Jaquan. Hyde doesn’t need these reps.

Yep.  Spot on oh great YoloWan.  

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Meh......SB champions often do so despite key injuries.    

 

And people forget the Chiefs lost their own 3x All Pro and leader of their defense in Tyrann Mathieu on the first series of that divisional game so it was certainly a fair fight between secondaries playing without their best players.

 

Being a VERY disappointing 7-4 at the time that Tre White was hurt.........dooming them to the road in the playoffs where they've not only never won under McDermott.......but never even played a composed 60 minutes without frantic, uncharacteristic mistakes........is clearly what cost the Bills a Super Bowl.    

 

People sometimes just overlook the overwhelmingly obvious to point a finger at fate.

I agree for the most part but I refuse to let my own disappointment in the team in the mid-season lull with the reality of what occurred.  I don't think we even beat the Bengals the next week without Tre White.  That injury made our late season run moot as far as winning the Super Bowl goes.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree for the most part but I refuse to let my own disappointment in the team in the mid-season lull with the reality of what occurred.  I don't think we even beat the Bengals the next week without Tre White.  That injury made our late season run moot as far as winning the Super Bowl goes.

 

Personal disappointment with the team is totally irrelevant to the discussion of "the reality of what occurred".

 

THREE BIG UPSET LOSSES........one to the worst team in football.........cost them home field advantage.

 

They are 0-4 on the road in the playoffs........in real life.......under Sean McDermott and each loss has been chock full of "wtf" moments that were totally uncharacteristic for the team in those seasons.    

 

Those are examples of reality.

 

Presuming Tre White somehow ensures a victory in KC in the divisional game is just a fact-free opinion.

 

See AFCCG 2021 for the closest example of proof of how he would have performed behind another limp playoff pass rush.

 

Because don't tell me about the 2021 regular season road matchup..........the SB era Bills were undefeated against the NFC in ALL meaningful games in those 4 regular seasons.......14-2 with the only 2 losses being season finales with home field advantage already clinched and the starters on bench.

 

Included in those regular season wins was an early season win in Dallas sandwiched between 2 SB blowouts vs that team in a 12 month period between January 93' and January 94'.........and a win against the Giants in NY late in the season where they lost to the Giants in the SB.........and wins against outstanding teams in San Francisco(no punts game) and a then 11-4 New Orleans team on the road.    

 

And I would have taken my chances against Cinci at home in any round.    I think the Bills would have hung 50 on the Bengals D at home.  

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

And I would have taken my chances against Cinci at home in any round.    I think the Bills would have hung 50 on the Bengals D at home

I'm with you on this.....Obviously can never know what can/will happen.....

 

But I am also in the group that feels very confident Bills defeat Bengals if in OP. I will even go a bit further and say I also think they would have won in Cincy... probably a bit tougher, but still 

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Presuming Tre White somehow ensures a victory in KC in the divisional game is just a fact-free opinion.

 

 

The game's outcome was razor thin.  One third down pass break-up giving the ball back to Josh could have been the difference.

Presuming that Tre White's contributions would not have made a difference is also a fact-free opinion.

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm with you on this.....Obviously can never know what can/will happen.....

 

But I am also in the group that feels very confident Bills defeat Bengals if in OP. I will even go a bit further and say I also think they would have won in Cincy... probably a bit tougher, but still 

 

 

I agree but it's worth noting that Cinci put themselves into a position where they could dictate their playoff opponent...........people forget they were the #3 seed going into the finale........not Buffalo........but they intentionally tanked and rested their starters to get the easier matchup against Vegas and align themselves as the #4 seed to play the one-dimensional Titans in the divisional round.

 

By virtue of their poor AFC record the Bills did not have any control over their opponent destiny.........they were forced to prepare to win their finale to avoid ending up on the road in the WC if NE won and they lost.

 

The Bills actually got funneled into KC by Cinci playing the card the Bengals had earned in the regular season by winning more than Buffalo in the conference.    Cinci felt better about going to Buffalo in the AFCCG than having to play both KC AND Buffalo in the same playoffs.    Which proved wise because KC beat Buffalo but that game after 4 seasons of going deep into the playoffs every year seemed to leave KC flat in the AFCCG.

 

Still.........I would have LOVED Buffalo's chances at home against Cinci in the AFCCG...........it would have been an entirely different dynamic than it was for Cinci going to KC........who was hosting their 4th straight AFCCG.

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The game's outcome was razor thin.  One third down pass break-up giving the ball back to Josh could have been the difference.

Presuming that Tre White's contributions would not have made a difference is also a fact-free opinion.

 

Impossible to know how it would have turned out. That said, I could never say that Tre would not have made a difference considering he's is too good of a player.

 

Maybe would never had come down to 13 seconds if he had played. But for sake of discussion,  if he played and it came down to same ending with 13 seconds, does the coaches play calls on defense change or stay the same regardless?

 

I'm not so sure they do anything different and would have sent same type of defense with Tre...that's something I would wonder sometimes..

[Doc Brown]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Personal disappointment with the team is totally irrelevant to the discussion of "the reality of what occurred".

 

THREE BIG UPSET LOSSES........one to the worst team in football.........cost them home field advantage.

 

They are 0-4 on the road in the playoffs........in real life.......under Sean McDermott and each loss has been chock full of "wtf" moments that were totally uncharacteristic for the team in those seasons.    

 

Those are examples of reality.

 

Presuming Tre White somehow ensures a victory in KC in the divisional game is just a fact-free opinion.

 

See AFCCG 2021 for the closest example of proof of how he would have performed behind another limp playoff pass rush.

 

Because don't tell me about the 2021 regular season road matchup..........the SB era Bills were undefeated against the NFC in ALL meaningful games in those 4 regular seasons.......14-2 with the only 2 losses being season finales with home field advantage already clinched and the starters on bench.

 

Included in those regular season wins was an early season win in Dallas sandwiched between 2 SB blowouts vs that team in a 12 month period between January 93' and January 94'.........and a win against the Giants in NY late in the season where they lost to the Giants in the SB.........and wins against outstanding teams in San Francisco(no punts game) and a then 11-4 New Orleans team on the road.    

 

And I would have taken my chances against Cinci at home in any round.    I think the Bills would have hung 50 on the Bengals D at home.  

We're arguing over a hypothetical.  I didn't bring up the regular season game and couldn't care less about the early 90's Bills.  I believe the Bills beat the Chiefs if Tre White was in the lineup in the playoffs.  You presumably don't.  I believe he would've made one play either during the game or in those last 13 seconds that would've been the difference.  Especially with our offense playing the way it was with the Honey Badger out.

 

As far as the Bengals, home field advantage means nothing to me.  I'd have to look at the advanced metrics but the quality of play didn't seem that different between at home or on the road.  Just inconsistent week to week throughout the year no matter where we played.  We had clunkers at home (Steelers, Colts) and on the road (Jaguars).  The Bengals defense shut down the Chiefs in the second half of the AFC Championship game by mixing up coverages and only bringing three in the 2nd half in about half of their plays.  Reid and Mahomes weren't able to adjust.  I think a similar strategy would've been used against our offense with similar success.  I highly doubt we would have put up 50 on them.  Meanwhile, they had the best three WR combo in the league and would've given our secondary problems.  I don't think we win that game without Tre White.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I agree but it's worth noting that Cinci put themselves into a position where they could dictate their playoff opponent...........people forget they were the #3 seed going into the finale........not Buffalo........but they intentionally tanked and rested their starters to get the easier matchup against Vegas and align themselves as the #4 seed to play the one-dimensional Titans in the divisional round.

 

By virtue of their poor AFC record the Bills did not have any control over their opponent destiny.........they were forced to prepare to win their finale to avoid ending up on the road in the WC if NE won and they lost.

 

The Bills actually got funneled into KC by Cinci playing the card the Bengals had earned in the regular season by winning more than Buffalo in the conference.    Cinci felt better about going to Buffalo in the AFCCG than having to play both KC AND Buffalo in the same playoffs.    Which proved wise because KC beat Buffalo but that game after 4 seasons of going deep into the playoffs every year seemed to leave KC flat in the AFCCG.

 

Still.........I would have LOVED Buffalo's chances at home against Cinci in the AFCCG...........it would have been an entirely different dynamic than it was for Cinci going to KC........who was hosting their 4th straight AFCCG.

 

Yeah, I mean I get where you're coming from and all that. I mean just one of those general "what if" scenarios if Bills had ended up against Bengals