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On 7/26/2022 at 10:36 AM, Success said:

Outside of New England, I doubt any fanbase knows and understands the Sith Lord more than Bills fans.

 

He doesn't say stuff like that.

 

Just wanted to get a temperature out there:  there has been a ton of Jones hype this offseason, and at minimum, he IS in much better shape physically.

 

Any concern at all that we could be in for another run from that team?  Obviously, we're still top dog for the time being, but if Jones does pan out, I could see them being more like Miami was in the '90's to the team we had then.

 

My own 2 cents is that I still don't see it.  He can't really improvise, and arm strength will always be an issue. He also struggles against man coverage.  But he does have the cerebral thing.

 

My dumps are dramatic, too

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24 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Lol. I’m hearing from numerous sources that the practices are not going well. 
 

and the 👉 Mac.  


 

 

It would be pretty healing for the nation if the Patriots offense couldn't score, their defense couldn't stop anyone from scoring, and Belichick smashed a phone on the sidelines every game.

 

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10 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Brady, cassel, jacoby brisset ,Jimmy G and mac jones

 

Mcdaniels was with Brady early and played a role in getting Brady to be Brady. As much as it pains me to say it but Brady isn't Brady without the slow build type development

 

Mcdaniels got Matt cassel PAID. And he stinks

 

Jacoby brisset is still around and still a solid back up

 

Jimmy G is solid not spectacular but solid, had his team in the nfc championship last season

 

Mac jones - I think he is over rated and not very good but he had him playing beyond his years as a rookie 

 

Probably missed some but mcdaniels can coach and develop qbs

 

I disagree with the bold text. McDaniel was a defensive assistant in NE*** for Brady’s first four years during which time he had been to a Pro Bowl and had firmly entrenched himself as their starter. McDaniels didn’t become QB coach until 2004. If anyone was responsible for Brady’s early development, it was Charlie Weiss. 

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9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The devil.

 

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On 7/26/2022 at 12:07 PM, DasNootz said:

They're not naming Patricia as OC so that Detroit is still on the hook for his salary through this season, and Patrica gets to avoid doing the weekly coordinator calls/interviews.

 

Wait, Matt Patricia (former DC) is now de facto OC for Belicheck?

Huh.

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I think losing McDaniels and not adequately replacing them is going to hurt a lot. McDaniels was a great coordinator IMO. Not sure how he will do as a HC again but coordinator he did a great job.  

 

Belichick doing the who knows who is what is probably just a skirting rules thing so that two guys get paid from their former teams instead of NE paying them much but even still... those two guys dont scream OC with a young QB to me.  I think their offense is going to be a mess and I still dont think Mac and Cheese is that good.

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On 7/26/2022 at 5:10 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Wgr used to play a game where they would play a clip from belichick and they would guess what quarterback he was talking about

 

The best one was where he praised jeff tuel

 

Ive come to the conclusion that the more descriptive belilchick is the lower he thinks about that player, almost like he is mocking them and he finds it funny 

 

I dunno.  When he said Josh Allen is a problem, I think he might have been sincere.

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5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

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Wait, Matt Patricia (former DC) is now de facto OC for Belicheck?

Huh.

Yes. But they are making up for it by also somehow also utilizing Joe judge in a similar role. Also has not coached offense in forever. 

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9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes. But they are making up for it by also somehow also utilizing Joe judge in a similar role. Also has not coached offense in forever. 

You'd think you'd want a very clear and stable offensive coach/voice for your young QB that you're developing.

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8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes. But they are making up for it by also somehow also utilizing Joe judge in a similar role. Also has not coached offense in forever. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

 

I mean, you could probably find a bad sequence from our offense, which has allowed a lot of pressure against Allen

 

It could mean the Patriots defense was much improved

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

You'd think you'd want a very clear and stable offensive coach/voice for you young QB that you're developing.

 

Yeah, I don't think "OC by committee" did Tua any favors last year

18 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I disagree with the bold text. McDaniel was a defensive assistant in NE*** for Brady’s first four years during which time he had been to a Pro Bowl and had firmly entrenched himself as their starter. McDaniels didn’t become QB coach until 2004. If anyone was responsible for Brady’s early development, it was Charlie Weiss. 

 

This.

 

Also if we're considering McDaniels, we can't overlook his time in Denver as HC and his time in StL as OC.

Both of which were kind of CF's from the "developing QB" perspective

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On 8/7/2022 at 6:47 PM, Buffalo716 said:

 

Mac might be a typical millennial who needs high praise to get his confidence up

He sat for years before he got a chance to start at Alabama and never complained.

 

The premise of the above is silly.

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13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

He's not a fraud.  But as Bart Scott said "one MO Lewis hit away from the unemployment line"

 

Yeah, he is a fraud. He is just another head coach. In fact, a below average head coach without the best QB that ever lived as his signal caller.

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Just now, Bill from NYC said:

He say for years before he got a chance to start at Alabama and never complained.

 

The premise of the above is silly.

Not really since we have video evidence in NFL games of Mac "Dramatic" Jones being a little baby pouting on the sidelines. 

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1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

OK. You must really know quite a bit about the kid.

Sorry didn't know you were his father.

 

I am just going by what he shows the public when things aren't going well for him.

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2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

He sat for years before he got a chance to start at Alabama and never complained.

 

The premise of the above is silly.

Sitting for years honestly has nothing to do with Being a player who needs to be told how good he is

 

And I said might not is

 

I’ve been in a lot of locker rooms with a lot of different players And coaches

 

To get the most out of every player … Some guys needed to be dogged by coach really hard, relentlessly worked… Some needed to be made fun of.. Some needed to be coddled… And some needed to be praised


With all the personalities in the locker room making every player reach their best takes different strategies

 

Again Mac might not be that guy… But as much as you love Alabama you don’t really know who these players are.. The coaches who coach them do better 

 

 

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Nick Saban has watched Mac Jones ascend to the top of the sport as a national champion at Alabama, and now a successful quarterback in the NFL for the New England Patriots.

But to get there, Saban said Jones had to improve his demeanor, and the mental part of the game.

“That was probably Mac’s biggest hurdle as a player,” Saban said this week, per On3. Was being able to control his emotions. Especially playing the quarterback position. To not get so upset when he threw a bad ball or made a bad read or whatever.”

Saban then shared a story about when he realized the change in Jones’ body language.

“We had one day where we had to go in the indoor. Sometimes, I’ll sit in the weight coaches office and look out the window,” Saban said. And looking out the window, I can only see half of the field, so Mac was on the other side of the field. I could see Mac, but I couldn’t see the defense and I couldn’t see his receivers. So every time he would throw the ball, I would look at Mac, and I could tell if it was complete or incomplete based on his body language. I told the film guy to film this. I think that may have been the turning point for him.”

 

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I'm not buying into NE*'s D being great.  They lost in the FA market this year.  Draft picks will be critical.

Take out the JAX game and the last 3 regular season games against the Bills, Colts and Dolphins they gave up

31 points a game.

 

We all seen how their D played in the playoffs.

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4 minutes ago, TBBills said:

I think @Bill from NYC knows Mac a little better than Nick Saban.

It sounds like the problem was corrected. The kid won a title and had a better NFL debut than any other rookie QB last season.

Why are you being an ass? Any particular reason?

 

15 minutes ago, TBBills said:

How is that restraining order going by the way? 😉

Wtf are you talking about? 

Be careful if you are making accusations.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

It sounds like the problem was corrected. The kid won a title and had a better NFL debut than any other rookie QB last season.

Why are you being an ass? Any particular reason?

 

Wtf are you talking about? 

Be careful if you are making accusations.

 

 

The best piece of ***** out of a pile of ***** QBs isn't an accomplishment. 

 

Alabama fans really get angry when you don't think former players are any good.

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2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Lol. I’m hearing from numerous sources that the practices are not going well. 
 

and the 👉 Mac.  


 

 

The guy they cite as a source:

Today:

 

 

Giardi is an NFL Network analyst based in Boston MA.  He used to work at ComCast as a NE sports analyst.  He has legit football analysis chops and is neither a Patriots homer nor a perennial downer.

 

On the one hand, it's early in camp and in a new system, growing pains are inevitable.  And Belicheck has historically been a master of "figuring things out" and getting his team to peak at the right time.  And it's probable you could find a couple crap drives from the Bills offense with Allen to call out.  Maybe it's not the Pats offense getting bad, maybe their defense is eating its Wheaties.

 

So there's that.

 

On the other hand, a number of promising young QB who had decent rookie seasons were seriously derailed by a change in OC or scheme. Sam Bradford, Sam Darnold, maybe Daniel Jones, maybe Tua

 

 

Oh and by the way.  Anyone who wants to extol McDaniels as a "QB whisperer" needs to explain the above effect on Bradford.  Bradford was injury plagued and never did develop into the Franchise Guy St Louis was hoping for, but there's also no question he could play QB competently in the NFL under a decent OC.  He looked promising as a rookie under Shurmur, like he couldn't play QB at all under McDaniels, and capable again the next year under Schottenheimer.

 

 

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I know what side Von will be lining up when the Bills play the Cheaters...

 

 

30 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Matt Patricia is this years, last years coach is with McDaniels now and he is Carmen Bricillo.

 

Wait, Patricia is not only OC but also OL coach? 

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