A Classic Case of Right Wing Hypocrisy or Where PPP's Brightest Defend the Insurrectionists

[716er]

They claim nobody cares about January 6th yet they won't shut the ***** up about trying to discredit it.

Edited June 7, 2022 by 716er

[ChiGoose]

Don't forget assaulting police officers while waving a Blue Lives Matter flag.

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, 716er said:

They claim nobody cares about January 6th yet they won't shut the ***** up about trying to discredit it.

 

Not unlike the riots all during 2020, eh?

[Jauronimo]

I was surprised to see the participants referred to as rioters multiple times today.  Even violent idiots.  For the past 18 months we have witnessed people do everything they can to minimize the actions of the participants on Jan 6.  PPP has often referred to the event as a rowdy self-guided tour through the nation's capitol.  

 

Now that charges have been filed for select individuals, yesterday's chest thumping about no charges filed has turned into more cries about the corrupt justice system.  The same justice system that was celebrated when Trump was not found guilty of any collusion.  The same justice system that was condemned for failing to convict Sussman.  Seems like the criticisms are a little outcome based?

[716er]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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desperate coping

[Chef Jim]

This is classic hypocrisy?  

 

Wow you really got those right wingers.

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Chef Jim

[T master]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I was surprised to see the participants referred to as rioters multiple times today.  Even violent idiots.  For the past 18 months we have witnessed people do everything they can to minimize the actions of the participants on Jan 6.  PPP has often referred to the event as a rowdy self-guided tour through the nation's capitol.  

 

Now that charges have been filed for select individuals, yesterday's chest thumping about no charges filed has turned into more cries about the corrupt justice system.  The same justice system that was celebrated when Trump was not found guilty of any collusion.  The same justice system that was condemned for failing to convict Sussman.  Seems like the criticisms are a little outcome based?

 

Next the "Peaceful Protestors" how many of them have been convicted ? 

Edited June 7, 2022 by T master

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Next the "Peaceful Protestors" how many of them have been convicted ? 

Many. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

 

What is your point?

[T master]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Many. 

 

https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

 

What is your point?

 

That they should go after those "Peaceful Protestors" that rioted sorry that peacefully protested & burned down gov't buildings while peacefully protesting for their personal believes it's the same thing isn't it ? 

[Tiberius]

 

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

That they should go after those "Peaceful Protestors" that rioted sorry that peacefully protested & burned down gov't buildings while peacefully protesting for their personal believes it's the same thing isn't it ? 

Right. They did go after those people and many were prosecuted.  So this witch hunt narrative and political persecution angle isn't very compelling.  One thing that bridges the aisle really quickly is f@#$ing with the seat of political power.   

 

And no, destroying property and entering the capitol building to effect the results of an election are not the same thing.  

[Big Blitz]

The 2020 insurrection was real.

 

 

 

This was a mass trespassing event.  

 

Unless coups usually look like this:

 

 

The actual insurrection:

 

 

 

 

 

You decide who the bigger threat to your Banana Republic is.  

[T master]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Right. They did go after those people and many were prosecuted.  So this witch hunt narrative and political persecution angle isn't very compelling.  One thing that bridges the aisle really quickly is f@#$ing with the seat of political power.   

 

And no, destroying property and entering the capitol building to effect the results of an election are not the same thing.  

 

So you are saying that those that broke into & burned gov't buildings & took over entire blocks of cities in Portland,  Seattle and here in Nashville is different because one group questioned the results of a election & the others just didn't give a S**T & questioned the rule of law and saw a opportunity to loot/ riot because it was in the thought of bringing change ? 

Edited June 7, 2022 by T master

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, T master said:

 

So you are saying that those that broke into & burned gov't buildings & took over entire blocks of cities in Portland,  Seattle and here in Nashville is different because one group questioned the results of a election & the others just didn't give a questioned the rule of law and saw a opportunity to loot/ riot because it was in the thought of bringing change ? 

What I am saying could not be more clear.  Trying to change the outcome of a presidential election is different than burning gas stations and stealing Nikes.  Are you really arguing they're equivalent acts?  

 

I don't even know what your point is since we have already established that a good number of arrests from the 2020 Summer riots and protests were prosecuted and convictions resulted.

[Demongyz]

59 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What I am saying could not be more clear.  Trying to change the outcome of a presidential election is different than burning gas stations and stealing Nikes.  Are you really arguing they're equivalent acts?  

 

I don't even know what your point is since we have already established that a good number of arrests from the 2020 Summer riots and protests were prosecuted and convictions resulted.

For the first time in the history of the republic, right wingers acted like Democrats.

 

Best keep that going as long as possible.  Going to be really funny when the red tsunami happens in November.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

So you are saying that those that broke into & burned gov't buildings & took over entire blocks of cities in Portland,  Seattle and here in Nashville is different because one group questioned the results of a election & the others just didn't give a questioned the rule of law and saw a opportunity to loot/ riot because it was in the thought of bringing change ? 

anyone not brainwashed understands the two were exactly the same problem.  Anarchists mind controlled by their party extremes revolted against authority. 
 

how they are respectively framed, the historical narratives, the whataboutism, pretending one series of behaviors is better or worse than the other are merely rooted in naive allegiant political ideology. 
 

Rational free thinking people fully understand that a civil society has room for neither. Both series of events were embarrassing deplorable acts from vagrants, criminals and imbeciles and each respectively lauded on or railed against by opposing politicians reminiscent of the tastes great, less filing chant on the pendulum Viking ship. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I was surprised to see the participants referred to as rioters multiple times today.  Even violent idiots.  For the past 18 months we have witnessed people do everything they can to minimize the actions of the participants on Jan 6.  PPP has often referred to the event as a rowdy self-guided tour through the nation's capitol.  

 

Now that charges have been filed for select individuals, yesterday's chest thumping about no charges filed has turned into more cries about the corrupt justice system.  The same justice system that was celebrated when Trump was not found guilty of any collusion.  The same justice system that was condemned for failing to convict Sussman.  Seems like the criticisms are a little outcome based?

I’m surprised that you’re surprised by this sort of thing.  This is a place where insults fly at times, people are accused of being in cults, being idiots and the like.  It’s also a place where people come to blow off steam, chat about the thoughts of the day, and maybe sometimes look at issue through too broad (or too narrow) a lens.  
 

The people who breached the Capitol are no ally to freedom as I see it, but there are a number of layers to this story that are often glossed over.  A guy at a rally who didn’t enter the building is a protestor regardless of whether or not he thinks the election was fixed.  A guy who assaults a police officer needs to be charged appropriately. 
 

As for your analysis of “outcome based opinions”, yeah, of course.   People who scream about systemic injustice and  police officers being hyper aggressive seem to have seen the light on use of lethal force in this case.  Suddenly no questions arise about the appropriate use of force on an unarmed individual.  Folks that scream about the corrupt nature of our judicial system suddenly find it fair and impartial.  Those in favor of dismantling our prisons and allowing people a second chance look the other way when people accused of a crime are held in custody for an awfully long time.   People supporting the release of full, unedited body camera/security footage seem content with that which government selectively releases.  
 

It just seems to me that viewed objectively, people are really complicated.  It’s the least surprising thing about all this. 

[T master]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

What I am saying could not be more clear.  Trying to change the outcome of a presidential election is different than burning gas stations and stealing Nikes.  Are you really arguing they're equivalent acts?  

 

I don't even know what your point is since we have already established that a good number of arrests from the 2020 Summer riots and protests were prosecuted and convictions resulted.

 

Another cherry picker i said gov't buildings not freakin gas stations WTF ..

 

The point is one action broke into a gov't building with the intention that they could change the out come of a election but didn't & couldn't by doing so and it was looked at as a huge coupe de ta even though there was nothing while in there that they could have actually done to change the election .

 

And when they were gotten out by the police there was little damage in comparison to the others i am comparing to .

 

The other broke into gov't buildings thinking they could change a law (i'm guessing) because of what they saw to be a injustice or a excuse to do so and every one labeled it as "peaceful demonstrations" which there was nothing peaceful about breaking into & burning GOVERNMENT buildings in Portland, Seattle & Nashville . 

 

Then here we are how may months later & still focused on that but the other not so much because in the narrative the action was glorified to be something much different when in fact it was pretty close to the same thing .

 

A bunch of dumb ass people doing something completely stupid & against the law for something they apparently believed in but depending on which side of the isle you were from had a totally different conclusion .

 

Same action different interpretation .

Edited June 7, 2022 by T master

[Orlando Tim]

Interesting take- especially based on the 

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

It is funny that what you focus on is not the 85% of Dems who thought it was an insurrection. The CHAZ in Seattle was an actual insurrection and Jan 6th was a riot. No shows up to an insurrection against armed men without real weapons, and they left their weapons in another state because they did not want to be arrested on gun laws. Dems don't have the slightest clue the definition of so many words, except how the words make them feel, like Ultra MAGA

[snafu]

22 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I was surprised to see the participants referred to as rioters multiple times today.  Even violent idiots.  For the past 18 months we have witnessed people do everything they can to minimize the actions of the participants on Jan 6.  PPP has often referred to the event as a rowdy self-guided tour through the nation's capitol.  

 

Now that charges have been filed for select individuals, yesterday's chest thumping about no charges filed has turned into more cries about the corrupt justice system.  The same justice system that was celebrated when Trump was not found guilty of any collusion.  The same justice system that was condemned for failing to convict Sussman.  Seems like the criticisms are a little outcome based?

Most people who participated in 1/6 were trespassers.   Many became rioters.  The rioters were "influenced by people from outside the area”. I learned that phrase during the riots of 2020 that occurred all over the country.

The same thing could be said for most any civil unrest. Ticket the trespassers.  Charge and prosecute the rioters like any other rioters we’ve recently seen.  Charge and prosecute the outside influencers.  What’s difficult about this?

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by snafu

[LeviF]

While the FBI combs through the hotel records of every Marriott property in the DMV, reviews thousands of hours of footage from every camera in DC, and parses through millions of credit card transactions to identify and locate every ####### who pissed in a Capitol urinal without permission so they can toss them in a DC jail for months so they can plead guilty to trespassing, we still mysteriously have zero leads on the guy who planted pipe bombs at the same location a day earlier.

 

20 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Don't forget assaulting police officers while waving a Blue Lives Matter flag.

 

Feds aren't cops.

[BillsFanNC]

Laughable thread from a laughable moron.

 

"Parading in congress" and held in a DC jail on a friggin MISDEMEANOR.

 

But insurrection or something, right?

 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, snafu said:

Most people who participated in 1/6 were trespassers.   Many became rioters.  The rioters were "influenced by people from outside the area”. I learned that phrase during the riots of 2020 that occurred all over the country.

The same thing could be said for most any civil unrest. Ticket the trespassers.  Charge and prosecute the rioters like any other rioters we’ve recently seen.  Charge and prosecute the outside influencers.  What’s difficult about this?

 

Trespassing has a little more weight when you do it say at the White House or the Capitol building.  And it definitely has more weight when said trespassing occurs during say a state of the union, or confirmation of an election, or inauguration.  People can continue to draw equivalency with squatting on a post office in Portland to make their persecution point and they will continue to look like buffoons.  Nothing bridges the political aisle faster than a group of dangerous morons threatening the security of those who hold power.

 

This was not a local protest.  All of the protesters were from out of the area as were the "outside influencers".   Travel arrangements made, hotels booked.  Its no mystery why it has been investigated more than locals burning down the corner store in Waukaluska, Wisconsin.     The Buffalo region is actually one of the leaders in terms of arrests made stemming from Jan 6. Erie County is right behind Franklin County, Ohio.  Florida and Texas lead the way in arrests.  

 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2021/06/17/erie-county-ranks-second-in-u-s--for-january-6-capitol-riot-arrests

[ChiGoose]

4 hours ago, LeviF said:

Feds aren't cops.

The Capitol Police are not police?

[LeviF]

14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

The Capitol Police are not police?

 

I said what I said.

[snafu]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Trespassing has a little more weight when you do it say at the White House or the Capitol building.  And it definitely has more weight when said trespassing occurs during say a state of the union, or confirmation of an election, or inauguration.  People can continue to draw equivalency with squatting on a post office in Portland to make their persecution point and they will continue to look like buffoons.  Nothing bridges the political aisle faster than a group of dangerous morons threatening the security of those who hold power.

 

This was not a local protest.  All of the protesters were from out of the area as were the "outside influencers".   Travel arrangements made, hotels booked.  Its no mystery why it has been investigated more than locals burning down the corner store in Waukaluska, Wisconsin.     The Buffalo region is actually one of the leaders in terms of arrests made stemming from Jan 6. Erie County is right behind Franklin County, Ohio.  Florida and Texas lead the way in arrests.  

 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2021/06/17/erie-county-ranks-second-in-u-s--for-january-6-capitol-riot-arrests

 

Trespassing laws don't have "carry more weight" clauses.  The extra weight is seen in enforcement -- the fact that people WERE tracked down and charged from all over the country if they committed a crime.  The extra weight is seen in comparison to those who've recently rioted in other places, yet were unlikely to have been charged with the same trespassing crime.  Note Seattle's CHOP arrests and releases.  https://komonews.com/news/operation-crime-justice/seattle-polices-chop-sweep-brought-arrests-but-quick-release-from-jail-as-well .  A police Station was commandeered for days and there was violence, assaults on Police, and death.  This isn't meant to be whatboutery.  This is an example of where "carry more weight" is enforced for the same basic offenses.

 

If people were disrupting or disturbing a public meeting, then I'm sure there are laws on the books to charge people.

If people assaulted someone, there's a good chance they'd be charged for assault.

Same goes for destroying property, or assaulting a police officer, or sedition.

 

I'm not making any equivalencies, and I'm not defending anyone's illegal actions.   I just see that too many people want to throw every single participant into the same basket of sedition.  Fortunately, the law doesn't work that way.  Here is a decent summary of those charged from the events that day, and for what.   https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-capitol-riot-arrests-latest/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by snafu

[The Frankish Reich]

On 6/7/2022 at 3:22 PM, Jauronimo said:

What I am saying could not be more clear.  Trying to change the outcome of a presidential election is different than burning gas stations and stealing Nikes.  Are you really arguing they're equivalent acts?  

 

I don't even know what your point is since we have already established that a good number of arrests from the 2020 Summer riots and protests were prosecuted and convictions resulted.

Exactly.

What the House Committee is trying to do tonight - and with mixed results so far - is to refocus public attention on what really happened.

The "insurrection" wasn't just the storming of the Capitol in an attempt to shut down the formal counting of electoral votes.

It was the scheme - a cynical scheme, thought up by cynical, unethical lawyers and consultants like John Eastman - to subvert the process by:

(1) stirring up a mob - a mob chanting things like "hang Mike Pence!" - to intimidate the Senate (including Pence in his role presiding over the Senate) from completing their largely symbolic/formal duties

(2) intimidating Pence into "rejecting" electoral slates from pivotal states, and encouraging Trumpists in charge of those state governments to appoint phony/pro-Trump slates, and,

(3) thereby stealing the election by counting fake electoral votes.

Let's not lose sight of that. The mob were a tactic of a planned insurrection (or coup if you like), not the insurrection in and of itself. 

Edited June 10, 2022 by The Frankish Reich

[Big Blitz]

Omg hahahaha

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Omg hahahaha

 

 

 

Apparently, Mark Ruffalo struck a nerve.

[The Frankish Reich]

On 6/8/2022 at 6:59 AM, LeviF said:

Feds aren't cops.

Well, what a clever retort!

Blue Lives Matter, but the Border Patrol Agent who killed the Uvalde shooter was wearing his green uniform! So you'll have to think about whether his/her life matters for a bit.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, what a clever retort!

Blue Lives Matter, but the Border Patrol Agent who killed the Uvalde shooter was wearing his green uniform! So you'll have to think about whether his/her life matters for a bit.

It would be nice if this was always the standard, huh?  

[LeviF]

20 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, what a clever retort!

Blue Lives Matter, but the Border Patrol Agent who killed the Uvalde shooter was wearing his green uniform! So you'll have to think about whether his/her life matters for a bit.

No I don’t. 
 

Feds aren’t cops. 
 

This isn’t a difficult concept. 

[The Frankish Reich]

14 minutes ago, LeviF said:

No I don’t. 
 

Feds aren’t cops. 
 

This isn’t a difficult concept. 

What, like 18 U.S.C. sec. 101 defines "cop?"

"Cop" is a colloquialism. It has no set meaning. It has the meaning people ascribe to it.

Feds are, in fact, Law Enforcement Officers. And yes, most people in DC wouldn't hesitate for a moment before referring to the Capitol Police as "cops" if they were pulled over by them in their area of jurisdiction.

This is the silliness our insurrection defenders now engage in. Semantic games.

[LeviF]

7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

What, like 18 U.S.C. sec. 101 defines "cop?"

"Cop" is a colloquialism. It has no set meaning. It has the meaning people ascribe to it.

Feds are, in fact, Law Enforcement Officers. And yes, most people in DC wouldn't hesitate for a moment before referring to the Capitol Police as "cops" if they were pulled over by them in their area of jurisdiction.

This is the silliness our insurrection defenders now engage in. Semantic games.

I haven’t defended anything. But feds aren’t cops. Not sure why I’m supposed to care about what the vibrant community of the district has to say about it. 

[BillStime]

On 6/7/2022 at 5:04 PM, Big Blitz said:

The 2020 insurrection was real.

 

 

 

This was a mass trespassing event.  

 

Unless coups usually look like this:

 

 

The actual insurrection:

 

 

 

 

 

You decide who the bigger threat to your Banana Republic is.  

👆🤡 idiots

 

 

cc: @Doc - aka QDoc