RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Let’s hope those public speaking classes have helped. He… He did use this time to work on his public speaking right? … … …right?! 😬😬😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Simon said: The only coach he actually ever got to pick was Sean McDermott, so that recrimination doesn't really belong on the list with the other more valid ones. When Whaley described his process for the selection of Rex, I chose to take him at his word that he was all in and on top of that choice. He likened it to choosing a spouse in fact. 33 minutes ago, Logic said: Not sure if this has been said yet in this thread, but… Whaley was excellent at collecting talent, but had no idea what it meant to build a TEAM. Simple. its been said over and over…and disproven as many times If he was excellent at collecting talent he would have a job in the NFL where a large number of GMs are not very excellent at collecting talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Because he is competent. Competence allows for honesty. As a GM, Whaley was incompetent in any and every way. His only significant moves were bringing in 3 good FAs. Terrible at picking coaches. Never got a QB. "ownership" wasn't preventing him from doing his basic duties. The pass he gets here is bizarre. The NFL is notorious for recycling FO talent, yet no team has hired him in any capacity since he was canned. Day One Starters!!!! The NFL is notorious for recycling WHITE FO talent and coaches. Not so much for others. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Whaley has an eye for talent but that was about it. The GM role encompasses much more than that, Whaley would be best served as some sort of head scouting role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holla83 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 19 hours ago, Warcodered said: Saw the video the Bills put out when they hired McDermott when he arrived at the facility and was shown around. McDermott was in a suit, Whaley was in sweats. 17 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: You've never seen Brandon Beane in sweats? Of all the things you could single out Whaley for, that's what you pick? Generally speaking, he was an extremely sharp dresser during his time here. Not to mention he used to workout at the team's facilities. I remember seeing a video of him meeting with Sammy Watkins and his parents and he'd just finished working out. So that might be why he was dressed that way in the McDermott video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: The NFL is notorious for recycling WHITE FO talent and coaches. Not so much for others. Exactly... see it time and again, despite the white privilege oozing from the pores of people like boatdrinks, who seems to take the ostrich approach... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: The NFL is notorious for recycling WHITE FO talent and coaches. Not so much for others. since the overwhelming number are white this seems to be true---- But black coaches have been recycled. A lot... Whaley was recycled to the Bills. As for coaches Hue Jackson was the most notorious recycle. But pretty much every black HC you can name has also been recycled: Dennis Green as well as Anthony Lynn, Art Schell, Ray Rhodes, Tony Dungy, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel, Jim Caldwell, Todd Bowles and now Lovie Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: since the overwhelming number are white this seems to be true---- But black coaches have been recycled. A lot... Not a single one who was fired got another GM position. That's 0%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said: I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with that statement. He thought Watkins would be good, which I would say he is but he overvalued him by trading a lot for him and not getting much return. I think he can see talent but tends to overrate talent for the compensation. I think we can all agree Whaley's marque move was trading for McCoy and that he didn't even initiate. Scout? Yes, Director of personnel? Maybe. GM? I would hope not. I thought it was Hughes. Jerry for Kelvin was the most lopsided player-for-player trade ever. But Shady was also a great trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I thought it was Hughes. Jerry for Kelvin was the most lopsided player-for-player trade ever. But Shady was also a great trade. Was that a Nix or Whaley deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: Was that a Nix or Whaley deal? https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2013/04/29/bills-trade-lb-kelvin-sheppard-colts-lb-jerry-hughes https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/01/player-bills-traded-for-jerry-hughes-now-coaching-in-nfl.html?outputType=amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Here's the trade thread, the answer ONCE AGAIN is Buddy Nix. Some funny posts in there but I got pissed & had to stop when I saw Wanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Not a single one who was fired got another GM position. That's 0%. The poster said "FO" and "coaches", so I responded. Anyway, you're wrong. Martin Mahew was GM for the Lions for 8 years and then fired in 2015. He held senior FO positions for 2 other teams and now is GM of Washington. Of the other 25 white current GMs', only 1 had been fired as GM previously (Baalke). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) I see there are people with coke bottle glasses on that still want to give credit to Whaley for all of the Bills good moves and blame someone else for all the bad ones. Whaley signed that good FA. Whaley drafted that good player. Whaley traded for that good player. Oh no that bad player was a different GM or the coach picked him, not Whaley. Oh Whaley had no say in the coaching search. Whaley was a bad GM period Edited March 20, 2022 by Scott7975 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Whaley is a horror show as a GM. An utter disaster who gives away the store. He is like an undisciplined kid in a candy store. That said, I heard from posters in the know that he is a gentleman. I believe this and hope that he gets the job. Besides, we tend to not play well against the Steelers and as a Bills fan, it would be nice to see him lead the Steelers straight down the tubes. What I will say in his behalf is that he is a GREAT dresser. The guy wears really nice suits and sure does know his color combinations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I thought it was Hughes. Jerry for Kelvin was the most lopsided player-for-player trade ever. But Shady was also a great trade. Was it, even though he gave him a needless, cap killing raise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 dude gets a lot of hate for being a bad public speaker. silly trait to care about 4 a gm, is Beli a good public speaker? not at all comparing them talent wise, just pointing out how silly that premise is. i liked doug, he did a decent job with the roster, with plenty of mistakes. do i want him back? ***** no. do i hope he catches on and sees some success? for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Rico said: https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2013/04/29/bills-trade-lb-kelvin-sheppard-colts-lb-jerry-hughes https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2021/01/player-bills-traded-for-jerry-hughes-now-coaching-in-nfl.html?outputType=amp So it was a Nix trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) He wasn't all bad, but he had a HUGE swing and miss with EJ Manuel. That was his downfall. If he's drafted Russel Wilson, he might still be working as a GM. Most of his 1st round picks underperformed. His day 2 and 3 picks were OK as were his FA moves for the most part. Still, you HAVE to nail those 1st rounders to be successful. Edited March 20, 2022 by GreggTX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, GreggTX said: His day 2 and 3 picks were OK as were his FA moves for the most part. Still, you HAVE to nail those 1st rounders to be successful. Did the Bills ever sign any of his draft picks to a second contract? Not counting 2017 as I dont think he was making those picks as he was out the door the day after the draft... I will agree that some of his FA moves worked out.. some didn't ( Charles Clay for one as I previously mentioned..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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