Breece Hall Please!!

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

There is some truth to this, but either way, I don’t see us extending Singletary when we can draft a more talented RB for another 4-5 years. 

I'm not arguing that but there's a 100% truth to what I said 

 

There are a lot of really talented running backs in the NFL who could put up really good numbers behind a good line 

 

I'm not debating whether Hall is a good running back or not.. because he's obviously very talented.. he is my RB1 in the class

 

What Beane has to decide, is if the drop off from Hall to the other running backs in the class.. is big enough to take him in the first .. and where he falls compared to other players

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Hall is a near lock to be an immediate impact player in this offense just by being on the field…even without touching the ball. 
 

while I like those WR’s they aren’t a lock to make an immediate impact on this team

 

We can hopefully do both. Find a way to get a WR and Hall in the first two rounds

 

Dream scenario for me is a trade up for Jameson Williams and a trade up for Breece Hall.  Nuclear firepower for Allen. Yes please.

In one sentence your main focus regarding your first rd pick is making an immediate impact…..
 

meanwhile….your dream scenario is trading up for a WR that will make less of an impact next season than Dotson, Pickens or Watson, the WRs that I’d MUCH rather draft over Hall.  
 

🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

[Aurelius]

I actually think Breece Hall would be a great pick at where bills are drafting.  Still plenty of picks to grab 2 CB’s, OL etc.  WR is a deep draft so I think we can pick our spots with that.  Most important is giving Josh Allen options on offense.  RB is a game changer for us in this particular draft class. We have Super Bowls to win.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Aurelius said:

I actually think Breece Hall would be a great pick at where bills are drafting.  Still plenty of picks to grab 2 CB’s, OL etc.  WR is a deep draft so I think we can pick our spots with that.  Most important is giving Josh Allen options on offense.  RB is a game changer for us in this particular draft class. We have Super Bowls to win.

Because game changing running backs are synonymous with winning Super Bowls

[Solomon Grundy]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because we really struggle run blocking

 

Put singletary behind the colts line and he will look really good..  he wouldn't be Jonathan Taylor but he would look really good

Hines and Marlon Mack are better RBs than Motor yet the Colts still drafted Taylor 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Hines and Marlon Mack are better RBs than Motor yet the Colts still drafted Taylor 

Again where is that going against what I'm saying? 

 

I'm not saying that the bills can't do better than Devin singletary

 

I'm saying that there are a lot of good running backs that go in the second and third and even into the fourth round yearly .. even fifth round running backs 

 

Beane needs to decide how big the drop between Hall and the other running backs are

 

Compared to our other positions of need and see how big their drop is 

 

And yes at the end of the day a good line makes every running back look better ... There's a lot of talented running backs in the NFL.. even at the backup spots

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Buffalo716

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

There are busts and gems at every single position 

 

But running back depth does slide further

 

Jonathan Taylor , cam Akers , jk dobbins, aj dillon all recent 2nd rounders 

 

Miles Sanders 2nd round , Darrell Henderson 3rd , David Montgomery 3rd , Damien Harris 3rd.. tony pollard rd4 

 

Nick Chubb rd 2, dalvin cool rd 2, Joe Mixon rd 2, Alvin kamara rd 3, Kareem hunt rd 3, marlon Mack Rd 4,  Aaron Jones Rd 5  

 

Almost every year there is running backs in the second or third round that are impact players

 

oh i could name a tone of second rounder RB busts as well... I just named the one relevant. 

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

It used to be that way with RBs, and then recent history has been kinda meh. Buffalo has had some really great RBs. I hope we can return to that this year. 

Cause we been going Mid rounders... Like everyone wants to do year after year..

 

What is the definition of insanity lol 

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something different... We got 2 mid round RB's one a bust another serviceable at best... should we keep going or go after the cream of the crop?

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Just think if TEN had Josh Allen instead of Tannehill, they’d be the new dynasty of the AFC

yup

[Buffalo716]

29 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

oh i could name a tone of second rounder RB busts as well... I just named the one relevant. 

Of course 

 

I said it multiple times in this thread every single division one player is really talented...

 

The ones who are draft eligible have all been exceptional football players for the better part of their lives for the most part...

 

Outside of the elite few, it's the little things like work ethic, scheme fit, character that set most draft picks apart from others 

 

It's why you sit down and try to get to know these prospects 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Buffalo716

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

oh i could name a tone of second rounder RB busts as well... I just named the one relevant. 

Cause we been going Mid rounders... Like everyone wants to do year after year..

 

What is the definition of insanity lol 

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something different... We got 2 mid round RB's one a bust another serviceable at best... should we keep going or go after the cream of the crop?

yup

Any clue how many times a team that drafted a RB in rd won the super bowl the that year?  
 

this article doesn’t give you the answer but it gives you the answer for the last 20 years and gives you the breakdown of teams’ success the first 4 years after drafting a Rb in the first round.  Zero Lombardis in 4 years.  52 seasons played with said players.  One team has  one more than 1 playoff game.  The rams that lost to the pats.  
 

Drafting a running back in round one hasn’t led to a super bowl win in a minimum of 54 consecutive seasons….the definition of lunacy would be to draft a RB in round one and think you’re going to win a Super Bowl.

 

there is zero evidence to support that drafting a QB in rd 1 will help you win a super bowl.
 

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/offseason-research/teams-are-never-first-round-rb-away

Edited April 20, 2022 by NewEra

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Because game changing running backs are synonymous with winning Super Bowls

They aren’t, but elite RBs coupled with elite QBs have a greater chance at winning Super Bowls. True or False. 

 

The Bills have a better chance at winning a super bowl with Breece Hall rather than Singletary? 

 

If you answered true, why wouldn’t you want to make Allen more dangerous because teams now how to play 8 in the box? 

[Milanos Milano]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Any clue how many times a team that drafted a RB in rd won the super bowl the that year?  
 

this article doesn’t give you the answer but it gives you the answer for the last 20 years and gives you the breakdown of teams’ success the first 4 years after drafting a Rb in the first round.  Zero Lombardis in 4 years.  52 seasons played with said players.  One team has  one more than 1 playoff game.  The rams that lost to the pats.  
 

Drafting a running back in round one hasn’t led to a super bowl win in a minimum of 54 consecutive seasons….the definition of lunacy would be to draft a RB in round one and think you’re going to win a Super Bowl.
 

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/offseason-research/teams-are-never-first-round-rb-away

How many of these teams had elite QBs? 

 

Does Mahomes have a greater chance at winning a super bowl with Kamara? 

Does Allen have a greater chance at winning a super bowl with Henry? 

 

Why wouldn’t you want to couple an elite QB with an elite RB. Look at Kelly and Thurman. We should be surrounding Josh with elite talent. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I’m not against a RB in the late 1st or early 2nd. You just have to make sure you get a workhorse.

 

 I think drafting Zion Johnson would help improve the run game more than any RB in the draft.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, Aurelius said:

I actually think Breece Hall would be a great pick at where bills are drafting.  Still plenty of picks to grab 2 CB’s, OL etc.  WR is a deep draft so I think we can pick our spots with that.  Most important is giving Josh Allen options on offense.  RB is a game changer for us in this particular draft class. We have Super Bowls to win.

How many “game changer” RBs can you name who currently play in the NFL?  Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor and who?

3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

How many of these teams had elite QBs? 

 

Does Mahomes have a greater chance at winning a super bowl with Kamara? 

Does Allen have a greater chance at winning a super bowl with Henry? 

 

Why wouldn’t you want to couple an elite QB with an elite RB. Look at Kelly and Thurman. We should be surrounding Josh with elite talent. 

Because the OL isn’t great and no RB is very good behind poor blocking while many RB look very good behind good blocking.

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

They aren’t, but elite RBs coupled with elite QBs have a greater chance at winning Super Bowls. True or False. 

 

The Bills have a better chance at winning a super bowl with Breece Hall rather than Singletary? 

 

If you answered true, why wouldn’t you want to make Allen more dangerous because teams now how to play 8 in the box? 

Dude….the bills have a better chance of winning a super bowl with any player we draft in round 1 than without that player.  

5 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

How many of these teams had elite QBs? 

 

Does Mahomes have a greater chance at winning a super bowl with Kamara? 

Does Allen have a greater chance at winning a super bowl with Henry? 

 

Why wouldn’t you want to couple an elite QB with an elite RB. Look at Kelly and Thurman. We should be surrounding Josh with elite talent. 

Because drafting the potentially elite RB  at the expense of not drafting a potentially elite WR, CB, DE, OL.  Those positions are way more valuable and actually do impact winning Super Bowls 

 

very easy answer 

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

its not about more weapons though.. its different TYPE of weapons. We got Howard cause that gives us weapons in a 2 TE set. We got Crowder out of need. A weapon at RB would bring this offense to where KC was when they had Hall.

1000% a... disagree lol... Though I get your point I think that is about even.... lets face facts... drafting is a flip of the coin or sometimes worse depending on the position BUT if i had to put money on one? yea RB lol

 

First - I will assume you mean Hill.

 

Second - The KC offense was Hill stretch the field and Kelce as the 2nd option - nothing at all from the RB.
 

The Bills already put up more rushing yards than KC and more Points per game.  KC doesn’t have a weapon at RB - why would a weapon at RB improve the offense.

 

The Bills already had a way to beat cover 2 defenses - shorter passes to better players were available all last year when the QB wanted to take them.  A RB changes nothing - unless you are going to use him a lot- in which case you are taking the ball out of the best players hands and giving it to a lesser player.

 

If you want more carrying of the ball they had a guy that averaged 4.7 YPC and could of used him more - that actually hurts the offense versus yards per pass attempt..

 

The KC offense drafted a RB in round 1 that has been less effective than UDFAs they picked up.  CEH has not helped their offense up to this point.  I will be very interested to see what they do this year - without Hill - I think Reid is forced to go to a more traditional running attack and Mahomes and that offense drops to middle of the pack - maybe 10-15 range.  
 

 

[Milanos Milano]

Thankfully I feel like McD understands the importance of having an elite RB. His comments on Thurman is telling. Very telling. Go get your weapon! 

We even had a meeting with Breece. Only a handful of RBs we met with. 

[YoloinOhio]

10 hours ago, whorlnut said:

So you are just assuming that any corner will be rated higher than an RB.  I disagree. I think the bills are very much in the market for offensive weapons and arent as urgent into getting a “top” corner as most of you are hoping. Beane has pretty much said that. However, you have to be living in a cave if you can’t see all the activity around WR, TE, and RB visits this off-season. 

So you would admit then that you can also get a corner later in the draft?

Yes I am because I don’t think any of the RBs in this draft should go in the 1st round. I don’t know when all the corners will come off the board. No one does. You specifically presented a scenario of the 5th or 6th ranked corner going above Breece hall to the Bills (who isn’t even my RB1 btw) and that could happen if the Bills have 5-6 CBs with 1st round grades and didn’t give him one. No one knows their board but I wouldn’t be surprised to see that at all.
It’s also not about “urgent” to get a specific position - it’s about the future as well and getting the best player. That could be any number of positions - but highly doubt it would be a non-premium position in the 1st. I do think they could consider a LB, it’s the only non premium position they have taken in the 1st 2 rounds and haven’t drafted one on the first 2 days since 2018. 

 

I’m not high on Breece Hall prior to our 2nd round pick and even then I’d rather have a few others. Big 12 RBs feasting on bad Ds and light boxes are not exciting to me especially since contact balance and vision aren’t his strengths.

Edited April 20, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Charles Romes]

Hall seems to have great hands but when I watch the tape he does not seem to be taking it North and South or breaking many tackles at the line of scrimmage. He seems to be barely breaking away from the college defenders which translates to not breaking away at the next level. 

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

you’d rather draft Hall over Pickens, Dotson and Watson? 

YES!!!

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Charles Romes said:

Hall seems to have great hands but when I watch the tape he does not seem to be taking it North and South or breaking many tackles at the line of scrimmage. He seems to be barely breaking away from the college defenders which translates to not breaking away at the next level. 

I’m not a helmet scout but I do favor SEC and Big Ten RBs for nfl projection 

[Solomon Grundy]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Because game changing running backs are synonymous with winning Super Bowls

RBs are key contributors to winning SBs. The Patriots SB wins are examples. James White could’ve easily been the MVP in one of them 

[Solomon Grundy]

6 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Hall seems to have great hands but when I watch the tape he does not seem to be taking it North and South or breaking many tackles at the line of scrimmage. He seems to be barely breaking away from the college defenders which translates to not breaking away at the next level. 

He didn’t rack up 1500 yds rushing going east and west. Give the guy some credit. He was basically Iowa State’s offense and couldn’t be maintained. Same as JT28 at Wisconsin. 7 runs of 70+ yards. 

[Rochesterfan]

44 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Thankfully I feel like McD understands the importance of having an elite RB. His comments on Thurman is telling. Very telling. Go get your weapon! 

We even had a meeting with Breece. Only a handful of RBs we met with. 

 

Yeah - look at what they have invested in RB.  A couple of 3rd round picks and picking up low level FAs for next to no money.  Elite RB must be sky high on his list.

 

The Bills have done nothing as Sal points out to suggest anything other than a mid level RB is what they are looking for.  
 

They have not drafted RB high, they have not gone after a high end FA RB.  Everything has been that they view RB as a replacement level commodity and place a higher priority on many other positions.  Not that they wouldn’t draft a RB high, but he would need to be so far superior to everything else at the same point.  
 

 

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He didn’t rack up 1500 yds rushing going east and west. Give the guy some credit. He was basically Iowa State’s offense and couldn’t be maintained. Same as JT28 at Wisconsin. 7 runs of 70+ yards. 

Honestly don’t even try anymore. If people don’t want to see it, it’s on them. Hopefully McBeane sees it, which is all that matters. 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

RBs are key contributors to winning SBs. The Patriots SB wins are examples. James White could’ve easily been the MVP in one of them 

Every positions are key contributors to winning Super Bowls…..  so are special teams coordinators that know how to communicate orders to their kickers.  
 

Did you watch this last super bowl?  How important was the RB position to the rams winning the title? 19 rushes- 28 yards from Akers, Michel and henderson.  Why?  Because the OL didn’t open up any holes.  But I bet Breece Hall would’ve run for 19 times for 128 yards because he’s so elite.  Riiiight

[Alphadawg7]

40 pages?  Is there anything in these 40 pages that even links Hall to the Bills in even rumors?  Have we even met with him?

[whorlnut]

16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yeah - look at what they have invested in RB.  A couple of 3rd round picks and picking up low level FAs for next to no money.  Elite RB must be sky high on his list.

 

The Bills have done nothing as Sal points out to suggest anything other than a mid level RB is what they are looking for.  
 

They have not drafted RB high, they have not gone after a high end FA RB.  Everything has been that they view RB as a replacement level commodity and place a higher priority on many other positions.  Not that they wouldn’t draft a RB high, but he would need to be so far superior to everything else at the same point.  
 

 

Huh?  They literally just had a deal with McKissic that fell through cause Washington pulled a slick one on us. 

[Milanos Milano]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

40 pages?  Is there anything in these 40 pages that even links Hall to the Bills in even rumors?  Have we even met with him?

Yes, he was part of our pre draft visits. 

[SoTier]

 

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t mind trying to upgrade the RB room but reaching for an RB in the 1st round seems like total overkill 

 

Why is Hall a "reach"?   He's considered the best RB in this draft class and a first round talent.   I don't want the Bills to reach for a player at any position.

 

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

I’m glad that we reached on Tre’Davious White …..the 5th cb drafted.

 

not saying that is our best option….but I think that each draft class is different and being the 5th best often has a lot to do with the other players in the class.  There are 6-8 WRs I’d MUCH rather draft than Breece Hall.  
 

you’d rather draft Hall over Pickens, Dotson and Watson? 

 

Don't try to rewrite history.  White might have been a reach at #10 but wasn't considered one at #24 or #25 where the Bills took him.   The controversy with White was that the Bills traded out of the #10 pick when they needed a QB and 2 excellent prospects, Mahomes and Watson, were available.  Taking White also seemed to be part of the same old, same old Bills management pattern under Ralph Wilson/Russ Brandon regime during the salary cap era: allowing good/great players to walk rather than give them a second contract and using the draft to fill the hole left in the roster.   The Bills passed on a QB to draft a DB because they had allowed Stephon Gilmore to leave in FA earlier. 

 

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m not against a RB in the late 1st or early 2nd. You just have to make sure you get a workhorse.

 

 I think drafting Zion Johnson would help improve the run game more than any RB in the draft.

 

I'm a ZJ fan myself and would definitely want the Bills to take him over Hall if both were available.  However, most of the posters arguing against Hall also don't want a first round IOLer.   They simply don't want RBs because of their short "shelf lives" and they don't want IOLers because they're "too expensive" if teams exercise fifth year options.   Neither is a particularly compelling reason, especially when few, if any, of the posters in this thread arguing against the Bills taking Hall at #25 have actually named a WR or CB that they'd like the Bills to take.  

 

It seems to me that if you don't want the Bills to take Hall, then you ought to offer the name of a specific alternative, ie, an actual prospect not a generic WR or CB.

[Brandon]

30 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yeah - look at what they have invested in RB.  A couple of 3rd round picks and picking up low level FAs for next to no money.  Elite RB must be sky high on his list.

 

The Bills have done nothing as Sal points out to suggest anything other than a mid level RB is what they are looking for.  
 

They have not drafted RB high, they have not gone after a high end FA RB.  Everything has been that they view RB as a replacement level commodity and place a higher priority on many other positions.  Not that they wouldn’t draft a RB high, but he would need to be so far superior to everything else at the same point. 
 

 

 

You could say the same thing about their #2 CB spot.  Just because they haven't done it doesn't mean they wouldn't if the right player were available. It may be that the right opportunity just hasn't presented itself.  

 

That being said,  I don't think they're going to draft a RB at 25. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Brandon

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

Why is Hall a "reach"?   He's considered the best RB in this draft class and a first round talent.   I don't want the Bills to reach for a player at any position.

 

 

Don't try to rewrite history.  White might have been a reach at #10 but wasn't considered one at #24 or #25 where the Bills took him.   The controversy with White was that the Bills traded out of the #10 pick when they needed a QB and 2 excellent prospects, Mahomes and Watson, were available.  Taking White also seemed to be part of the same old, same old Bills management pattern under Ralph Wilson/Russ Brandon regime during the salary cap era: allowing good/great players to walk rather than give them a second contract and using the draft to fill the hole left in the roster.   The Bills passed on a QB to draft a DB because they had allowed Stephon Gilmore to leave in FA earlier. 

 

 

I'm a ZJ fan myself and would definitely want the Bills to take him over Hall if both were available.  However, most of the posters arguing against Hall also don't want a first round IOLer.   They simply don't want RBs because of their short "shelf lives" and they don't want IOLers because they're "too expensive" if teams exercise fifth year options.   Neither is a particularly compelling reason, especially when few, if any, of the posters in this thread arguing against the Bills taking Hall at #25 have actually named a WR or CB that they'd like the Bills to take.  

 

It seems to me that if you don't want the Bills to take Hall, then you ought to offer the name of a specific alternative, ie, an actual prospect not a generic WR or CB.

Context…..more

 

I was replying to someone that blasted on posters for preferring to take the 5th best corner over the best RB.  
 

Depending on the draft classes, as I also mentioned, I think many teams would rather have the 5th best corner over the best RB.  That will likely hold true in this years drafts too.  Done by professionals that get paid to do this.  

[Milanos Milano]

For me, I’ve learned to try and filter out draft round philosophy. I now substitute it for, who can help me win more games and get us a super bowl. 
 

Drafting a player like Hall in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is semantics. If you believe in a player that can help you win games, you go for it. You rank your players in order who can help you the most at any given point. You should create an algorithm. 
 

We know we are lacking elite RB talent, we know we are lacking elite O-line talent. 
We know we aren’t lacking in WR, QB talent. 
Need and BPA should be weighted. 
 

If Hall or any RB is determined that they can win X amount of games, you pull the trigger. An elite RB forces teams to put 8 in the box regularly. Against a player like Allen, that’s almost impossible. In my opinion, an elite RB is our missing piece. It makes sense from a logical offensive strategy perspective. 
I don’t mind making sure we secure the piece we need to make that happen, even if it’s in the 1st round. 

[Brandon]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Context…..more

 

I was replying to someone that blasted on posters for preferring to take the 5th best corner over the best RB.  
 

Depending on the draft classes, as I also mentioned, I think many teams would rather have the 5th best corner over the best RB.  That will likely hold true in this years drafts too.  Done by professionals that get paid to do this.  

 

Agreed.  Just comparing comparing the 5th best CB to the top rated RB doesn't necessarily mean anything.  The 5th best prospect at one position may be a MUCH better prospect than the best at another. 

[SoTier]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Context…..more

 

I was replying to someone that blasted on posters for preferring to take the 5th best corner over the best RB.  
 

Depending on the draft classes, as I also mentioned, I think many teams would rather have the 5th best corner over the best RB.  That will likely hold true in this years drafts too.  Done by professionals that get paid to do this.  

 

I understand that but using White as an example was a poor choice, especially when the Bills pre-Beane gave us sooooooo many examples.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

Agreed.  Just comparing comparing the 5th best CB to the top rated RB doesn't necessarily mean anything.  The 5th best prospect at one position may be a MUCH better prospect than the best at another. 

Common sense will get you nowhere sir!!

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

I understand that but using White as an example was a poor choice, especially when the Bills pre-Beane gave us sooooooo many examples.

It’s not….he was the 5th cornerback drafted…..which was the topic.  The comment had NOTHING to do with beane

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I understand that but using White as an example was a poor choice, especially when the Bills pre-Beane gave us sooooooo many examples.

Give me some examples of the Bills taking the 5th best corner over the best rb.  
 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by NewEra

[Rochesterfan]

13 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

You could say the same thing about their #2 CB spot.  Just because they haven't done it doesn't mean they wouldn't if the right player were available. It may be that the right opportunity just hasn't presented itself.  

 

That being said,  I don't think they're going to draft a RB at 25. 

 

I agree - I do not think they attach the value to CB #2 that some others do, but at least at CB - they have drafted a 1st round talent.  They have also paid big money to retain White and Johnson and have spent higher level money on FA additions - none of which they have done at RB.

 

Beane has even said - he would not pass on RB if the right player, fit, and value was there and I believe that - the question is where do those line up compared to other positions.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

For me, I’ve learned to try and filter out draft round philosophy. I now substitute it for, who can help me win more games and get us a super bowl. 
 

Drafting a player like Hall in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is semantics. If you believe in a player that can help you win games, you go for it. You rank your players in order who can help you the most at any given point. You should create an algorithm. 
 

We know we are lacking elite RB talent, we know we are lacking elite O-line talent. 
We know we aren’t lacking in WR, QB talent. 
Need and BPA should be weighted. 
 

If Hall or any RB is determined that they can win X amount of games, you pull the trigger. An elite RB forces teams to put 8 in the box regularly. Against a player like Allen, that’s almost impossible. In my opinion, an elite RB is our missing piece. It makes sense from a logical offensive strategy perspective. 
I don’t mind making sure we secure the piece we need to make that happen, even if it’s in the 1st round. 

I think this line of thinking had its merits on the pure basis of adding an “elite RB” but I’m not aligned to it with any of the RBs in this draft at 25, which is why I can’t get there. I don’t know if Hall or any of them are elite nfl prospects, he’s not the best in the class from my perspective so I’m stuck on the whole needing to take him or else philosophy. 
 

I like Walker & Spiller at 57 potentially. I’m ok taking one higher than the 3rd at this point. But none of them show me 1st round traits at a position of average value - JMO 

Edited April 20, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Rochesterfan]

30 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Huh?  They literally just had a deal with McKissic that fell through cause Washington pulled a slick one on us. 

 

Yes for a small FA deal - they weren’t giving him a big FA contract.  He was another low level addition - a little more than they gave Duke Johnson.

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think this line of thinking had its merits on the pure basis of adding an “elite RB” but I’m not aligned to it with any of the RBs in this draft at 25, which is why I can’t get there. I don’t know if hall or any of them are elite nfl prospects, he’s not the best in the class from my perspective so I’m stuck on the whole needing to take him or else philosophy. 
 

I like Walker & Spiller at 57 potentially. 

This is a fair take. I respect it. If people don’t value Hall as an elite RB, that is fine. But I firmly believe this team is an elite RB away from winning multiple Super Bowls.

 

It is true, that an elite RB by themselves will not win you Super Bowls, which I agree with posters who have already stated as such, but I believe this team is different and it needs one. 
 

Allen is beyond elite, and having an elite RB will force teams from playing high shell. It makes Allen infinitely more dangerous. Having an elite RB doesn’t mean we have to take the ball out of Allen’s hands. It just means we have that extra piece to keep defenses honest. It’s an almost impossible task given how good Allen is. It’s what we need. It’s what will get us a Lombardi. Just my opinion though. 

[Brandon]

16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I agree - I do not think they attach the value to CB #2 that some others do, but at least at CB - they have drafted a 1st round talent.  They have also paid big money to retain White and Johnson and have spent higher level money on FA additions - none of which they have done at RB.

 

Beane has even said - he would not pass on RB if the right player, fit, and value was there and I believe that - the question is where do those line up compared to other positions.

 

 

 

At this stage, I don't think the value this year lines up with pick 25.  If they really want Hall, I'd prefer they trade back a dozen or so spots before they do it. 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Brandon