Turk71 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Comp picks should be 5th round at the earliest imo, extra 3rd round picks are far too valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Banish the comp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: this shiz is stoooooopid! so big damn mystery that nobody understands and can calculate? i trust the league as much as i trust the government It is the way for this league to keep you interested in the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: even so far. Players we cut don’t count. So no Williams, Klein when they sign. So far we’re even gained 3 lost 3. Gained Jones Settle McKissic Lost: Trubisky Wallace Phillips Saffold doesn’t count as he was cut by the Titans And that is for next year. Comp picks happen a year out. This free agency period equals next draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 So, when you trade for stars like the Rams did to win a title, you also get rewarded with 5 comp picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Geez, these picks really destroy value in the 4th and 5th rounds. it is a system that’s hard to rationalize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Comp picks in a league with a cap is a stupid concept. That being said, it's not that hard to understand, yet it's one of the most misunderstood things in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 11 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: yes, along with the never-ending Ertz references First Ertz reference of the thread!!! That entitles New England to a double secret conditional draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 37 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said: So, when you trade for stars like the Rams did to win a title, you also get rewarded with 5 comp picks? yes, because you acquire talent via non qualifying methods and often see those guys through the expiration of their contracts so they later do qualify for you on the way out. 12 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: this shiz is stoooooopid! so big damn mystery that nobody understands and can calculate? i trust the league as much as i trust the government minus the websites that can project them at they end of the qualifying window with over 95% accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 hours ago, NoSaint said: yes, because you acquire talent via non qualifying methods and often see those guys through the expiration of their contracts so they later do qualify for you on the way out. minus the websites that can project them at they end of the qualifying window with over 95% accuracy Can you link one? Surprised we're just finding this out then a year later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Can you link one? Surprised we're just finding this out then a year later. I can’t vouch for this particular one, just the first of many to pop up: https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-compensatory-pick-projections-for-every-team it’s relatively simple. You total up qualified signings vs losses and the net is the volume of picks… if you lost more you reduce the lost list by cancelling similar value players on the two lists the remaining guys get slotted up by average salary against thresholds for each round. Not publicly shared but it’s basically in line annually with a couple percentage points increase to go with salary cap inflation so most good projections nail the volume of picks and only really miss on round if the guy is right on the cusp of the projected value. Essentially just missing where the threshold will land in their projections (ie last year a 7.8m player was the lower round, 8m landed the higher round, so where will an 8.25m guy split to next year) if you follow the process it’s easy and some teams value it enough to put it in high consideration. You have two guys valued the same, go with the one that helps the equation and not just a random gut tie breaker for signings or roster cuts Edited March 16, 2022 by NoSaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 20 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Hope we can take a rest from the Pats comp pick references for a while.. The worst thing about those is it comes from a complete lack of understanding how things work. Patriots did an excellent job playing the comp pick game with their roster moves and valued players with that in mind. It's smart calculated chess moves by their front office. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: The worst thing about those is it comes from a complete lack of understanding how things work. Patriots did an excellent job playing the comp pick game with their roster moves and valued players with that in mind. It's smart calculated chess moves by their front office. They had Brady which is the only reason they were able to get Comp picks. They also didn't do much with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, TBBills said: They had Brady which is the only reason they were able to get Comp picks. They also didn't do much with them. They still have the whole defensive side of the ball and offensive players to... Brady, or any franchise QB helps in that manner, but there is way more to it than that. They made all their personnel moves with that calculation in mind and played the game better than anyone. It was a concerted calculated effort to work the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 With McKissic backing out the Bills are back on the comp board for next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 To the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Two questions WRT Comp Picks Will Levi Wallace help in securing comp picks for next year since he was undrafted? Thought I read at one time only applies to drafted players? And anyone have any insight as to how's it looking overall right now for picks for next year based on who's gone and who's been signed? Williams, Star, Mongo, and Beasley don't count at all as they were cut. Phillips, 3rd rounder and Mitch T 1st round help, Breida was undrafted. But offset by Von Miller and OJ Howard both 1st rounders, Johnson 3rd round, plus at least another 4th and 5th rounder in Crowder and Jones. If Hughes signs with another team he was 1st rounder. Based on above, thinking overall, not likely to get much in the way of picks if any?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Zero chance of a comp pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 12:15 PM, NoSaint said: I can’t vouch for this particular one, just the first of many to pop up: https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-compensatory-pick-projections-for-every-team it’s relatively simple. You total up qualified signings vs losses and the net is the volume of picks… if you follow the process it’s easy and some teams value it enough to put it in high consideration. You have two guys valued the same, go with the one that helps the equation and not just a random gut tie breaker for signings or roster cuts Not to me. NFL math makes my head hurt - the cap calculations, comp formulae are dense to say the least. If NFL math was a subject in engineering school, I would have accepted Transport Phenomena and partial differential equations more willingly. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Two questions WRT Comp Picks Will Levi Wallace help in securing comp picks for next year since he was undrafted? Thought I read at one time only applies to drafted players? And anyone have any insight as to how's it looking overall right now for picks for next year based on who's gone and who's been signed? Williams, Star, Mongo, and Beasley don't count at all as they were cut. Phillips, 3rd rounder and Mitch T 1st round help, Breida was undrafted. But offset by Von Miller and OJ Howard both 1st rounders, Johnson 3rd round, plus at least another 4th and 5th rounder in Crowder and Jones. If Hughes signs with another team he was 1st rounder. Based on above, thinking overall, not likely to get much in the way of picks if any?? it has nothing to do with where a guy was drafted. The Bills have gained 5 qualifying Free Agents and lost 4. We get no comp picks Gained Miller Howard Crowder Jones Settle Mancz, D. Johnson, Marquel Lee won’t end up counting because they received the minimum Lost: Phillips Wallace Trubisky Brieda may or may not qualify. Heard 1 year 3.1 million which would qualify but we’ll see on those numbers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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