TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 hours ago, DCofNC said: I suppose the truth is he sucked at T and was ok at G, so with Brown taking the T spot and Saffold coming in at G (presuming he plays RG), this was no shock. In 2020 he was very solid at RT. At RG I feel he was more average and I really haven’t seen anything that suggests he was this awful RG like some fans claims. I think there’s a chance he’s still back. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 14 hours ago, cDAVIS said: I wonder if the new Oline coach is having a lot of say to the recent releases. Well Bills signed Zay Jones based on newly signed WR coach when Coach McD first got here so that is nor always a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: In 2020 he was very solid at RT. At RG I feel he was more average and I really haven’t seen anything that suggests he was this awful RG like some fans claims. I think there’s a chance he’s still back. I think the problem is that he was solid as a right tackle then got a good contract then the following year was not sold as of right tackle moving him to guard if he wanted to meet guard money maybe he would still be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Brown and Doyle are good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 7 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Brown and Doyle are good Are they? How can anyone confidently say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 42 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Are they? How can anyone confidently say that? When Brown went down and Williams went to RT, the line was horrible. Williams looked lost out there. Just watch the Jax game as an example. A lot of people say Bates stabilized the line. It was actually Brown retuning and Williams kicking back to RG. Bates played well enough, but the right side of the line was a circus act with Williams at RT. I think Doyle has a chance to be good. I like that we put him in as an extra lineman/TE a few times. Coaches felt he had to get in because he shows promise. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Dopey said: When Brown went down and Williams went to RT, the line was horrible. Williams looked lost out there. Just watch the Jax game as an example. A lot of people say Bates stabilized the line. It was actually Brown retuning and Williams kicking back to RG. Bates played well enough, but the right side of the line was a circus act with Williams at RT. I think Doyle has a chance to be good. I like that we put him in as an extra lineman/TE a few times. Coaches felt he had to get in because he shows promise. Brown really struggled this year and has chronic back problems. I'm not sold on him at all. He spends way too much time on the ground. Not good for a guy with a back injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Fair enough. I saw a mauler and again, the line played well enough down the stretch. Including Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Dopey said: When Brown went down and Williams went to RT, the line was horrible. Williams looked lost out there. Just watch the Jax game as an example. A lot of people say Bates stabilized the line. It was actually Brown retuning and Williams kicking back to RG. Bates played well enough, but the right side of the line was a circus act with Williams at RT. I think Doyle has a chance to be good. I like that we put him in as an extra lineman/TE a few times. Coaches felt he had to get in because he shows promise. Part of that is becauise Ford was starting next to him at RG and every time Ford stepped on the field last year he managed to bring down the level of play of the players on each side of him. When Williams was at RG, he had the 2nd overall highest rating (behind Dawkins) on the oline. The line did stabilize when Brown returned to the lineup. Part of that was Brown improving at the RT spot (had his share of struggles but played well down the stretch), but also because Dawkins was returning to form, Batesheld up the LG spot pretty well, all players were in the positions that worked best for the team, and Ford was on the bench. The best combination on the the Oline turned out to be Dawkins, Bates, Morse, Williams, and Brown, and they only played together in 5 games. But when they did, the offense averaged close to 200 yds rushing, 430+ yds of total offense, and 36 pts per game. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think the problem is that he was solid as a right tackle then got a good contract then the following year was not sold as of right tackle moving him to guard if he wanted to meet guard money maybe he would still be here I actually think he wouldn't still be here. 1) Every OL coach likes to bring in a couple of "his guys" to help teach his techniques and help him "keep the room" when tempers flare. The guy who will look over and just say "Johnny - be coachable" if a player gets critiqued in practice and starts kicking rocks in the locker room Pretty clear in his interview Saffold is Kromer's guy. 2) I don't think Williams and Feliciano fit what Kromer wants to do with the line 3) When a guy who started 16 games at T and won a new contract sucks as badly as Williams did to start the season, Something is Wrong. Either he got Paid and Demotivated, or he's battling a chronic injury, or he's fighting a personal battle with addiction or chronic illness. It's not a situation like Ford where he starts at RT and it doesn't work out so you decide to see if he can play G. Williams played RT so well he won a new contract and we were all like "OK that spot's locked down" at RT. Until the season started and we were all "WTF is going on here?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually think he wouldn't still be here. 1) Every OL coach likes to bring in a couple of "his guys" to help teach his techniques and help him "keep the room" when tempers flare. The guy who will look over and just say "Johnny - be coachable" if a player gets critiqued in practice and starts kicking rocks in the locker room Pretty clear in his interview Saffold is Kromer's guy. 2) I don't think Williams and Feliciano fit what Kromer wants to do with the line 3) When a guy who started 16 games at T and won a new contract sucks as badly as Williams did to start the season, Something is Wrong. Either he got Paid and Demotivated, or he's battling a chronic injury, or he's fighting a personal battle with addiction or chronic illness. It's not a situation like Ford where he starts at RT and it doesn't work out so you decide to see if he can play G. Williams played RT so well he won a new contract and we were all like "OK that spot's locked down" at RT. Until the season started and we were all "WTF is going on here?" he played really well but got bounced off of his prior team too. spain seemed to have an issue like that too. a lot of big guys get a contract and lose motivation. i dunno if it's just the feeling of being a giant ogre of a person, or entering the smash gauntlet every single day and getting tired of it. Smith, the guy who made all pro as a DE and DT in the same season was the 4th overall pick by cincy, but basically didnt' give a crap there and left for SF where he went from a decent player to a monster in a human skin suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Part of that is becauise Ford was starting next to him at RG and every time Ford stepped on the field last year he managed to bring down the level of play of the players on each side of him. When Williams was at RG, he had the 2nd overall highest rating (behind Dawkins) on the oline. The line did stabilize when Brown returned to the lineup. Part of that was Brown improving at the RT spot (had his share of struggles but played well down the stretch), but also because Dawkins was returning to form, Batesheld up the LG spot pretty well, all players were in the positions that worked best for the team, and Ford was on the bench. The best combination on the the Oline turned out to be Dawkins, Bates, Morse, Williams, and Brown, and they only played together in 5 games. But when they did, the offense averaged close to 200 yds rushing, 430+ yds of total offense, and 36 pts per game. Agree with your last paragraph completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I know it's a long shot, but: If DW is currently a 3.6mil cap hit and he somehow were to re-sign for the Bills at a salary which is over 3.6mil, does that original dead cap hit become null and void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 18 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think the problem is that he was solid as a right tackle then got a good contract then the following year was not sold as of right tackle moving him to guard if he wanted to meet guard money maybe he would still be here From my understanding, he didn’t move to RG because he was lacking at RT, but rather because Ford was a disaster and the Williams/Brown combo was better than whoever they were going to plug into RG to play next to him. 1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I know it's a long shot, but: If DW is currently a 3.6mil cap hit and he somehow were to re-sign for the Bills at a salary which is over 3.6mil, does that original dead cap hit become null and void? No, unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I know it's a long shot, but: If DW is currently a 3.6mil cap hit and he somehow were to re-sign for the Bills at a salary which is over 3.6mil, does that original dead cap hit become null and void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I know it's a long shot, but: If DW is currently a 3.6mil cap hit and he somehow were to re-sign for the Bills at a salary which is over 3.6mil, does that original dead cap hit become null and void? No "dead money" is on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Back2Buff said: Brown really struggled this year and has chronic back problems. I'm not sold on him at all. He spends way too much time on the ground. Not good for a guy with a back injury. Has he had any issues with his back besides the one time he had an issue this year? Edit: Just checked college injuries and there's no mention of back injuries Edited March 16, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Has he had any issues with his back besides the one time he had an issue this year? Edit: Just checked college injuries and there's no mention of back injuries I guess it was more of a one time chronic thing. Those tend to be the trickiest to diagnose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually think he wouldn't still be here. 1) Every OL coach likes to bring in a couple of "his guys" to help teach his techniques and help him "keep the room" when tempers flare. The guy who will look over and just say "Johnny - be coachable" if a player gets critiqued in practice and starts kicking rocks in the locker room Pretty clear in his interview Saffold is Kromer's guy. 2) I don't think Williams and Feliciano fit what Kromer wants to do with the line 3) When a guy who started 16 games at T and won a new contract sucks as badly as Williams did to start the season, Something is Wrong. Either he got Paid and Demotivated, or he's battling a chronic injury, or he's fighting a personal battle with addiction or chronic illness. It's not a situation like Ford where he starts at RT and it doesn't work out so you decide to see if he can play G. Williams played RT so well he won a new contract and we were all like "OK that spot's locked down" at RT. Until the season started and we were all "WTF is going on here?" Huh? That's quite an assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 46 minutes ago, without a drought said: I guess it was more of a one time chronic thing. Those tend to be the trickiest to diagnose. And pot is a gateway drug. Gotta catch these things early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Has he had any issues with his back besides the one time he had an issue this year? Edit: Just checked college injuries and there's no mention of back injuries The joke around the locker room is that he has a back of a 90 year old. The guy can barely get up when he ends up on the ground, which is pretty much every other play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, Back2Buff said: The joke around the locker room is that he has a back of a 90 year old. The guy can barely get up when he ends up on the ground, which is pretty much every other play. Are you in the locker room to hear these jokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: Are you in the locker room to hear these jokes? It's on instagram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The joke around the locker room is that he has a back of a 90 year old. The guy can barely get up when he ends up on the ground, which is pretty much every other play. Amazing how a guy can barely get up off the ground but yet, passes a physical every year and not to mention, zero delay of game penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: It's on instagram Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Link Stories go away after 24 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Stories go away after 24 hours So jokes = medical evaluations now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 He’s still unsigned. Wonder if it his play or injury concerns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv05 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He’s still unsigned. Wonder if it his play or injury concerns? Yeah, weird - Starter 1 year on a good offensive line, unsigned the next. Pretty curious about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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