Stank_Nasty Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Both Acho and Douglas, on first take this morning, think Allen is top 3 in the NFL. Although Acho not putting Mahomes in his top 5 is absolutely absurd. Qb rankings discussion starts at about the 1:45 mark. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: This reminded me of the wildest take I've seen in a long time: The sad thing is Peter Schrager just said it to create drama, whereas Dan Orlovsky actually believes this. Burrow over Murray is his benchmark? I mean yeah, I'd take the kid that started the Super Bowl over the one who lost his last 5 games and limped into the playoffs Hot take Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 5:59 AM, DrDawkinstein said: It's all subjective, and a case can certainly be made. Mahomes and Allen Burrow and Herbert It's a fun discussion, and I'm thrilled our guy is part of the short list. No more Manning/Brady boring crap. How exactly can a case be made that Burrow is the best QB in the AFC? I don't even think that's a reasonable argument in any way. Mahomes and Allen are really the only 2 QBs you can make an argument for with Herbert a bit behind them. I'm SO glad the Bengals didn't win the Super Bowl!!! This "Is Joe Burrow the best QB in the NFL" narrative would have been so annoying. Dude had a defense that played lights out in the playoffs and one of the NFL's best RBs while he throws 5 TDs, 2 INTs and is sacked 19 times. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: This reminded me of the wildest take I've seen in a long time: The sad thing is Peter Schrager just said it to create drama, whereas Dan Orlovsky actually believes this. Who cares? It's Dan Orlovsky. His career wasn't even as good as Josh's 2nd season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: How exactly can a case be made that Burrow is the best QB in the AFC? I don't even think that's a reasonable argument in any way. Mahomes and Allen are really the only 2 QBs you can make an argument for with Herbert a bit behind them. I'm SO glad the Bengals didn't win the Super Bowl!!! This "Is Joe Burrow the best QB in the NFL" narrative would have been so annoying. Dude had a defense that played lights out in the playoffs and one of the NFL's best RBs while he throws 5 TDs, 2 INTs and is sacked 19 times. Ridiculous. The Bengals won in the playoffs with- -The "Raider Whistle" controversy -Tannehill meltdown -Mahomes Meltdown -Rookie Kicker that went BONKERS in post season (Maybe a better question...is he the best kicker in the NFL?) -When in doubt (which was often) throw the ball to Chase. Sorry, I'm not convinced that is a sustainable way to win. The Bengals caught a lot of teams off guard this year and will not get that same luxury next year. They will be the hunted and get every teams hardest shot. Burrow is right in that window where teams start to adjust. Let's see how he does then before we crown him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Hot take: Joe burrow is a more talented version of baker Mayfield and will have a similar hype train this off season, he will also not come close to living up to those expectations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: The Bengals won in the playoffs with- -The "Raider Whistle" controversy -Tannehill meltdown -Mahomes Meltdown -Rookie Kicker that went BONKERS in post season (Maybe a better question...is he the best kicker in the NFL?) -When in doubt (which was often) throw the ball to Chase. Sorry, I'm not convinced that is a sustainable way to win. The Bengals caught a lot of teams off guard this year and will not get that same luxury next year. They will be the hunted and get every teams hardest shot. Burrow is right in that window where teams start to adjust. Let's see how he does then before we crown him. The AFC North will have its down year.. Steelers without a starting QB....Lamar is injury prone...Baker is Baker.....I can definitely see the Bengals win their division next year thanks to their franchise QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Such horse crap. I usually love the GMFB crew, but that’s ridiculous. I can’t stand when they say things like “He (Burrow) beat Mahomes 2 times.” No he didn’t. His team did. The same way they say “Allen lost to Mahomes in the divisional game.” No he didn’t. Allen’s defense crapped the bed and Allen never got the ball back. But if the D holds out for 13 seconds, is Allen a better QB than Mahomes?? Garbage. Nothing against Burrow (or Stafford for that matter), but the super bowl reminded me how much of a dual threat and freak athlete Josh is. He’s a guy you truly have to fear and game plan for. I hope Allen and Bills own the league next year… step on throats and put the last of the doubters to shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, ganesh said: The AFC North will have its down year.. Steelers without a starting QB....Lamar is injury prone...Baker is Baker.....I can definitely see the Bengals win their division next year thanks to their franchise QB I give it a solid "maybe". Let's see how the Ravens fare with healthy players, a 3rd place schedule and some possible improvements. Browns...they need help on offense but they have won with Baker before. A healthy Mayfield is an upgrade. Good defense and great o-line. Considering the level of play off Ben at times last year...a guy like Trubisky could be a plus as well. I think that while division is a lot closer than anyone believes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) All I know is what did Josh with a minute left in the game , and Burrow had the same opportunity and crumbled , and nobody in the media brings THAT up !! Edited February 18, 2022 by Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Hot take: Joe burrow is a more talented version of baker Mayfield and will have a similar hype train this off season, he will also not come close to living up to those expectations I wish that were the case but Burrow is the superior player in almost every single category compared to Baker (pocket awareness, reading the field, poise, accuracy, leadership skills, mechanics, anticipation, height). The only major problem I see with him is he'll hold the ball too long. I put him below Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert as he doesn't have the arm strength or athleticism they have. However, he's definitely a top tier quarterback who will only get better assuming they improve their o-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 18 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: ...and Joe Cool Burrow doesn’t throws INT’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Hot take: Joe burrow is a more talented version of baker Mayfield and will have a similar hype train this off season, he will also not come close to living up to those expectations If the Bengals don't fix their OL he will be Andrew Luck part 2. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Hot take: Joe burrow is a more talented version of baker Mayfield and will have a similar hype train this off season, he will also not come close to living up to those expectations I could see that. The Bengals big play offense is dependent on chase. Without an O line, they could really struggle. They had no business being in that Tenn game. If Tannehil doesnt completely suck, they win easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 10:40 AM, YoloinOhio said: Here we go. I might say 3rd or 4th. I think sometimes he likes to hear himself talk. He'll say stuff at times that's just kinda out there. He's obviously wrong about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 15 hours ago, ganesh said: The AFC North will have its down year.. Steelers without a starting QB....Lamar is injury prone...Baker is Baker.....I can definitely see the Bengals win their division next year thanks to their franchise QB I could also see them finishing out of the playoffs. Steelers are legit never bad. The Ravens probably won't lose 3 RBs, LT, CB1 and CB2, DE, WR1/2/3 all missed time, TE2 missed half the year, Rest of oline was a mash unit, and then jackson missed time. They're a playoff team when they're healthy. And the Browns have a better defense than the bengals, and if baker can play better without being hurt they're right back in it. I got them at like 8-9 or 9-8. I put them at 3-3 in division and 2-2 vs the AFCE. The NFC south will be weaker without brady so they probably get 3 wins there- but they get KC, Tenn, and Dallas as 1st place opponents in 2022. They beat 2 of them in the playoffs but I can't put them as a big favorite in any of those 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 If he only would replace “the” with “a” this wouldn’t be absurd. But he went there. And chiefs fans are the ones having a cow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 In no particular order, I would rank these AFC QBs ahead of Burrow: Allen Mahomes Jackson Herbert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) Burrow has two first round picks to throw to. Chase is probably one of the best receivers in the game. Give him some average receivers and lets see if he is considered a top QB. Mahomes and Allen are best followed by Herbert and then there is a drop off. Edited February 19, 2022 by Mopreme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Mopreme said: Burrow has two first round picks to throw to. Chase is probably one of the best receivers in the game. Give him some average receivers and lets see if he is considered a top QB. Mahomes and Allen are best followed by Herbert and then there is a drop off. Are you saying Diggs is average??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 11:54 AM, YoloinOhio said: If he only would replace “the” with “a” this wouldn’t be absurd. But he went there. And chiefs fans are the ones having a cow. So true But then …. Mediots (media idiots) Last season Lamar was thought to be a top 10 QB and Matthew Stafford maybe top 15. On 2/18/2022 at 12:03 PM, TheFunPolice said: In no particular order, I would rank these AFC QBs ahead of Burrow: Allen Mahomes Jackson Herbert 😂 uh no Lamar can make some QB plays. that doesn’t mean he’s a real QB Flacco won games in B-more Trent Dilfer won games in B-more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 He's no David Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) On 2/16/2022 at 8:11 AM, CincyBillsFan said: This. Burrow is a lot better then some folks on 2BD think but Allen & Mahomes are at a different level IMO. The Bengals had a classic NFL Cinderella run this season - good for them. But this guy is way overrating a Super Bowl appearance in putting Burrow ahead of Mahomes & Allen. Agreed. SB appearances are team accomplishments, only stupid media pundits like to give all the credit or blame to a QB. Burrow is a nice up and coming QB, so not trying to take anything away from him. But he is without a doubt the worst of these big 4 QB's of Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Burrow. And there is still Lamar to enter into this conversation of best QB's in the AFCE. Time will tell if he leap frogs anyone, but right now the other 3 are all better, and Mahomes and Allen are significantly better. Burrow throws a lot of prayer balls that his receivers bail him out on. Nothing wrong with that, but he isn't carving up defenses the way Mahomes and Allen can...at least not yet. PS: There is another AFC QB that is also better than Burrow...and his name is Watson. So not only is Burrow NOT the best QB in the AFC, he may not even be in the top 5 when you add in Watson and Lamar too. Personally I would rank them: 1 Allen - no issue with Mahomes being 1 and Allen 2, but I think Allen can do everything Mahomes can and a little more 2 Mahomes - See note above 3 Watson - Easily #3 IMHO outside of the off field stuff, and he will be back on the field I expect this year for someone 4 Herbert - I think he is firmly entrenched himself ahead of the guys below him. 5 Lamar - I cant put Burrow ahead of Lamar yet given how much Lamar has produced with pretty weak supporting cast around him. Admittedly I would probably draft Burrow ahead of Lamar just because I am not sold on the sustainability of Lamars style of play. 6 Burrow - Up and coming for sure, but he hasn't become better than the 5 guys ahead of him...yet. He could leap frog some of them as time goes on though. Edited February 22, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 10:56 AM, Coach Tuesday said: Some guy said something grrrrrr!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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