Week 16: Bills at Pats - DISCUSSION

[RichRiderBills]

I think Dawkins conditioning has been an issue all year. He's not the kind of guy I'd expect to be gtg after sitting around for a week and activated Friday or Saturday.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, Beerball said:

Nothing of the sort. Are you saying the Bills could've scored at will?

No, I'm asking what you mean. You said the Pats could've scored 21 if they had to.

3 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

He wore one in the dome against Indy too for some reason. Did wonders for him in that game. 

They can't deflate the footballs anymore, so glove it is.

[balln]

23 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm with you.  It would be real interesting to know whether he has had any symptoms.  I mean the guy is fully vaccinated AND he has natural immunity from having had covid previously. 

 

My only question and I hope I don't get put in timeout for raising this, was Dawkins hospitalization a result of a covid infection or a weird reaction between covid and the vaccine?  According to reports he was within a couple of days of having fully completed his vaccine regimen. This means that he got his first shot and then a month later he got his 2nd shot and then was infected about 10 days after the 2nd shot.  Do people really believe that those last couple of days were that critical? You don't think that two weeks after the 2nd shot doesn't contain a little wiggle room?

 

When I was vaccinated I had a terrible reaction to my first shot.  Six months previously I had  gotten the covid and my doctor explained that my bad reaction - I was close to going to the ER - was a result of my previously being infected.  I bring this up only because Dawkins should ave cleared the protocol by now.

 

 

 

 

vacc and natural immunity wane. they wane. this has been known for a long time. hence the boosters. 

[psuscott16]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Somewhat perplexed at the Dawkins situation…. You’d think he’d have mild or no symptoms at this point after having it over the summer….wondering if he just hasn’t tested negative yet. 

 

My cousin has had covid 3 times and was badly sick all 3 times. Once was after he was vaccinated.

[Big Blitz]

Mac Jones has completed 40 fewer passes then Matthew Stafford.

 

And has almost 1000 fewer yards.  

 

 

I don't know where I'm going with that it's just mind blowing to me.  

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, psuscott16 said:

 

My cousin has had covid 3 times and was badly sick all 3 times. Once was after he was vaccinated.

That seems incredibly unlucky

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm with you.  It would be real interesting to know whether he has had any symptoms.  I mean the guy is fully vaccinated AND he has natural immunity from having had covid previously. 

 

My only question and I hope I don't get put in timeout for raising this, was Dawkins hospitalization a result of a covid infection or a weird reaction between covid and the vaccine?  According to reports he was within a couple of days of having fully completed his vaccine regimen. This means that he got his first shot and then a month later he got his 2nd shot and then was infected about 10 days after the 2nd shot.  Do people really believe that those last couple of days were that critical? You don't think that two weeks after the 2nd shot doesn't contain a little wiggle room?

 

Full immunity can actually take longer than 2 weeks after the 2nd shot to develop.  The "2 weeks" is an average representing a "typical" response.  We used to say "takes 6-8 weeks to build full immunity if you tell your immune system to hurry, and 6-8 weeks if you don't". 

 

The piece you're missing is that if Dawkins got symptoms 10 days after his second shot, that means he was exposed/infected some time earlier.  Typical for Delta was 4-5 days, range of 2-14 days.  So Dawkins could have been exposed and started incubating covid right around the time he got his 2nd shot or shortly thereafter.

 

No, Dawkins didn't have a weird vaccine reaction.  The vaccine can not cause you to test positive for Covid.  He tested positive.  He had Covid.

 

 

[thenorthremembers]

11 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

He wore one in the dome against Indy too for some reason. Did wonders for him in that game. 

The media will be all over this.   "The glove is just further proof that Mac is the second coming of Tom Brady! Rabble, Rabble, Rabble"

[Commish]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Full immunity can actually take longer than 2 weeks after the 2nd shot to develop.  The "2 weeks" is an average representing a "typical" response.  We used to say "takes 6-8 weeks to build full immunity if you tell your immune system to hurry, and 6-8 weeks if you don't". 

 

The piece you're missing is that if Dawkins got symptoms 10 days after his second shot, that means he was exposed/infected some time earlier.  Typical for Delta was 4-5 days, range of 2-14 days.  So Dawkins could have been exposed and started incubating covid right around the time he got his 2nd shot or shortly thereafter.

 

No, Dawkins didn't have a weird vaccine reaction.  The vaccine can not cause you to test positive for Covid.  He tested positive.  He had Covid.

 

 

Dawkins tested positive within the two week period after his second shot - that means he was exposed days prior to that:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/it-was-one-of-the-lowest-points-i-ve-ever-been

[eball]

Current weather forecast:  39 degrees, 14 mph winds, no precipitation.

 

Perfect for the Bills.  Just enough wind to bother limp noodle Jones, but insignificant to Josh.

[HamSandwhich]

Any update on Dawkins? He is a big key to this weekend, really need him if he’s not dealing with actual effects. 

[CSBill]

14 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Still no news on Dawkins?! 

 

Apparently he's a Pro-Bowl player now, so that is news.

 

But somehow we missed that here at TBD, when did his play this season merit this recognition?

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by CSBill

[Beerball]

9 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

No, I'm asking what you mean. You said the Pats could've scored 21 if they had to.

 

Yes, that is what I mean.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Beerball said:

Yes, that is what I mean.

BB has never shown compunction about running up the score. It wasn't a prudential calculation to only score 14.

[Beerball]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

BB has never shown compunction about running up the score. It wasn't a prudential calculation to only score 14.

Conditions were not normal, were they?

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

Apparently he's an All-Pro now, so that is news.

 

But somehow we missed that here at TBD, when did his play this season merit All-Pro recognition?

 

 

He’s not all pro.  He made the pro bowl.  

Edited December 23, 2021 by NewEra

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Beerball said:

Conditions were not normal, were they?

Well, I'm not reading through the thread. Maybe I misunderstood. I inferred your claim was they could have scored 21 in the game in Buffalo. Conditions limited both teams, but I don't see how that contributes to any assertion the Pats* were capable of more points, but tactically restrained themselves. Obviously, for this coming weekend, you wouldn't put a 14 point ceiling on either team.

[Son of a K-Gun]

51 minutes ago, eball said:

Current weather forecast:  39 degrees, 14 mph winds, no precipitation.

 

Perfect for the Bills.  Just enough wind to bother limp noodle Jones, but insignificant to Josh.

14 mph winds look at Josh Allen and turn the other way.

[CSBill]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Somewhat perplexed at the Dawkins situation…. You’d think he’d have mild or no symptoms at this point after having it over the summer….wondering if he just hasn’t tested negative yet. 

 

Well, he had severe symptoms last time. I hope not, but does that indicate he is more susceptible to it? Is he the teammate that Beasley was referring to being in the hospital? Again, I do hope not. But past performance (past reaction) is an indicator; he may be walloped by it again?

 

[CSBill]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s not all pro.  He made the pro bowl.  

 

fixed, thanks