Gisele Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 HOW CAN ANY HEAD COACH BE THAT BAD AT THAT?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL7 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 He is 5 of 21 in his career. I looked it up last night. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 He sure doesn't have a knack for challenges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisele Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 And why the hell did we take the ball in the second half instead of the wind in the 4th quarter? Belichick just laughs at these other coaches decisions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Gisele said: And why the hell did we take the ball in the second half instead of the wind in the 4th quarter? Belichick just laughs at these other coaches decisions. BB outclasses McD by an order of magnitude. It's never been more obvious than last night. The Pats were pretty close to mistake free, and the Bills look (as per usual this year) like the keystone kops. All that was missing was yakety sax playing on loop all game. In fact i think i'll do that this week, it will at least provide some entertainment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 McDermott drives me crazy with these challenges. Absolute waste of a challenge and time out, then another time out used only to do absolutely nothing on the next play. Not that we would have won anyways but would have been nice to have the ball back at the end of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 It really isn’t that hard to win a challenge. If you don’t see it you don’t challenge. You can’t throw away time outs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: It really isn’t that hard to win a challenge. If you don’t see it you don’t challenge. You can’t throw away time outs. meh, McD is so bad at clock management i'm not sure it makes a difference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 To be honest with the "Sky Judge" There is almost no reason to challenge anymore. AND YOU NEVER CHALLENGE THE SPOT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 He is worst in the league among active coaches. Needs to fire his consultants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Gisele said: And why the hell did we take the ball in the second half instead of the wind in the 4th quarter? Belichick just laughs at these other coaches decisions. I didn't know the 4th quarter had more minutes in it than the third quarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Pro football reference search McDermott and it will show his challenges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said: He sure doesn't have a knack for challenges My complaint with his many of his challenges over the years (including last night) is that he makes strategic errors in terms of when to challenge and when not to. For example, he loves to challenge where the ball is placed on a tackle where it's impossible to say where the ball should go and the refs have already decided on where to put it....and then McD will challenge. Calls of that nature are simply NOT GOING TO BE OVERTURNED, yet no one on McD's staff seems to understand that and they end up pissing away a TO. They need to get SMARTER with it. I also feel McDermott is making some of these calls himself on the spur of the moment, which is definitely NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE. They should have a rigorously established procedure involving people not named McDermott and it should move like clockwork in a short amount of time to make decisions, possibly consulting tables or a computer simulator as well. I don't think these guys are anywhere near that level of sophistication. 🤭 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 He's 0 for 2 this year 2 for 3 in 2019 2 for 3 in 2018 0 for 6 in 2017, so he obviously did something to improve Anyone got data for other current head coaches or for the current NFL data on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He's 0 for 2 this year 2 for 3 in 2019 2 for 3 in 2018 0 for 6 in 2017, so he obviously did something to improve Anyone got data for other current head coaches or for the current NFL data on this? pro football reference, search coaches name and it will show challenges https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0.htm Edited December 7, 2021 by Jeffbigalls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I remember it came up in the Titans game because McD's challenge record is pretty terrible, while Vrabel's is pretty good. Although I hated the challenge at the time, hearing McD explain why he was comfortable rolling the dice there made sense to me. In the moment I certainly thought Jones was short when they blew the whistle. If it was overturned, it would've been valuable for the Bills to have an extra drive going with the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I said it in another thread, a spot challenge on a QB sneak into a mass of lineman was a waste of a challenge AND a timeout. The spot was never going to be changed, and he should know that by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Belichick is 51 for 127 career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Gisele said: HOW CAN ANY HEAD COACH BE THAT BAD AT THAT?? he used the challenge to get an extended time out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, dorquemada said: BB outclasses McD by an order of magnitude. It's never been more obvious than last night. The Pats were pretty close to mistake free, and the Bills look (as per usual this year) like the keystone kops. All that was missing was yakety sax playing on loop all game. In fact i think i'll do that this week, it will at least provide some entertainment I understand that's how you feel. But in fact, the Patriots made a HUGE error receiving a punt, that resulted in a turnover and a Buffalo TD They had another fumble, but managed to recover (vs 1 fumble that led to a NE TD for Buffalo) They were also penalized more - 6 penalties for 47 yds vs 3 penalties for 20 yds They objectively made more mistakes than B'lo did by several metrics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I understand that's how you feel. But in fact, the Patriots made a HUGE error receiving a punt, that resulted in a turnover and a Buffalo TD They had another fumble, but managed to recover (vs 1 fumble that led to a NE TD for Buffalo) They were also penalized more - 6 penalties for 47 yds vs 3 penalties for 20 yds They objectively made more mistakes than B'lo did by several metrics They came into the game with a plan that would work with who they have on their roster, we didn't that's the sort of mistake that's hard to overcome. It took McD until the 4th quarter to tell Milano to shoot the gap instead of waiting for the RB to come to him? Not the sort of thing that shows up in your quoted metrics, but to me an example of where the stats tell a story different than what actually happened in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said: pro football reference, search coaches name and it will show challenges https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0.htm Yes, that is where I got the info in the post you quoted. It doesn’t get me the leave-wide info I’m looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Here's a better question, how many teams with a winning record has he beat during his time here? Not many and it paints a bleak picture when you look at his year to year record in such games going back to 2017 and of course last year was the only highlight in terms of beating those type of teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Gisele said: And why the hell did we take the ball in the second half instead of the wind in the 4th quarter? Belichick just laughs at these other coaches decisions. It is easy to question it now, because it didn't work, but the thinking behind it (I think) was that we would score early and often, and that the Pats couldn't come from behind. It might have been a solid strategy, if we had actually been able to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, that is where I got the info in the post you quoted. It doesn’t get me the leave-wide info I’m looking for Yeah I think u would just have to go coach by coach and write it down I wish the weather didn't factor into the game I would have loved a regular game. I'm not complaining but I still wish it would have been normal condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 McD has never been a great game day coach. We’ve seen plenty of questionable challenges, puzzling inactive player lists, clock management issues, bad (and stubborn) game plans, etc over the years. His players seem to care for him and the culture of family is there, but he’s never been great on game day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: McD has never been a great game day coach. We’ve seen plenty of questionable challenges, puzzling inactive player lists, clock management issues, bad (and stubborn) game plans, etc over the years. His players seem to care for him and the culture of family is there, but he’s never been great on game day. I've said this, more or less word for word, for several years now. McDermott DOES do many of the job functions of Head Coach very well. Game management is not one of them. People aren't really harping on it today, but his decision to kick 1 extra point and not go for 2 is another mistake IMO. It's better to know you didn't get it (if you aren't going to get it!) as early as possible and in a game like that, you need to score your points (2) when you actually are in a position to score points (like trying an extra point attempt). You don't know when you're going to get back there again. He/his staff struggle to get it right across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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