Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[billsfan_34]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

Oooh! Look! I CAN post here! 

 

That little test will be the extent of it, however. Has anybody EVER changed anyone else’s opinion here? Doubt it, so I won’t try. It’s just a sad state of affairs. 

 

Carry on….I’ll let myself out. 

Spot on! Bottom line, this didn’t have to happen. Now, many will suffer because of poor policy and corruption.

[Motorin']

24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

They all know how this plays out.  

 

Russia doesn't lose a thing in going in they only benefit even if not 1 mile of Ukraine becomes theirs.  

 

Putin claims victory at home.  Strong man strong armed the pajama boys in the West. 

 

Biden and his media sycophants will tell you he averted WWIII.

 

 

Right right.  

 

The UK and France are in a much better position to punish them than we are. 

 

Boris has already moved to freeze billions in Russian oligarch and bank assets, as London is their preferred play pen. 

 

Macron will follow suit. 

 

The Russian stock market lost almost 40% of it's value today. The majority of the Russian people are not happy with this war. 

 

Boris can squeeze where it hurts more than anyone else right now, and both parties are united in standing up to him. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, ALF said:

 

Why did Russia invade Ukraine , simple question. 

That’s not what you asked. You implied Ukraine may he provoked it. There’s a difference.

[billsfan_34]

Just now, ALF said:

 

Why did Russia invade Ukraine , simple question. 

Vlad and the Oligarchs believe Ukraine is part of “Mother Russia”. Ukraine provides a land route for oil and natural gas to Eastern Europe. Ukraine has a lot of natural resources. Ukraine can be used as a staging ground to retake the rest of the former USSR. Ukraine has a sea port that can place the Russian Navy with a direct shot to northern and Western Europe.

[sherpa]

4 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

 Ukraine can be used as a staging ground to retake the rest of the former USSR.

 

That is simply never going to happen.

Russia has nowhere near the economic, military or domestic political strength to undo 30 years of change.

[B-Man]

 

 

What did Ukraine do to deserve Sean Penn ?

 

 

 

 

[billsfan_34]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

That is simply never going to happen.

Russia has nowhere near the economic, military or domestic political strength to undo 30 years of change.

I didn’t say it will happen, but that is why and what he he is thinking. Putin has always been enamored by forming the old USSR block. 

[Motorin']

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What did Ukraine do to deserve Sean Penn ?

 

 

 

 

 

Say what you want about any options he may have or movies he's made, but he was the one that nabbed El Chapo, was he not?

[Big Blitz]

18 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Why did Russia invade Ukraine , simple question. 

 

 

Can't imagine how he could see the United States as hostile to him..... we treat China the exact same way

Edited February 25, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Coffeesforclosers]

22 minutes ago, Augie said:

Oooh! Look! I CAN post here! 

 

That little test will be the extent of it, however. Has anybody EVER changed anyone else’s opinion here? Doubt it, so I won’t try. It’s just a sad state of affairs. 

 

Carry on….I’ll let myself out. 

 

You're the sort of person PPP needs.

 

Like the wisest person ever to post in PPP said, if you see the Ukraine war as a Red America vs  Blue America problem, Putin is winning.  So start changing things, know what you believe but let others have their say.  We will never keep our country if we think every else must agree with everything we think all the time.

 

In other news, Ukraine has either contained or beaten back a Russian attempt to seize Antonov Airport, which is about 15 miles from the capital.

 

Apparently there's a Ukrainian MiG29 pilot called "The Ghost of Kyiv" who notched his 6th kill today.

 

The Ukrainian government handed out 10,000 ARs this afternoon to the population of the capital, and expects the next round of Russian attacks to start 3AM local time.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

if you see the Ukraine war as a Red America vs  Blue America problem, Putin is winning.  

 

 

Why?  

[ALF]

20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s not what you asked. You implied Ukraine may he provoked it. There’s a difference.

 

Ukraine did nothing to provoke Russia. You are reading too much into my question. NATO would rather have Ukraine to stay neutral so as not to put Russia on a hair trigger .  jmo

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Why?  

 

Because he can't get what he wants without going through us.

[B-Man]

 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, ALF said:

 

Ukraine did nothing to provoke Russia. You are reading too much into my question. NATO would rather have Ukraine to stay neutral so as not to put Russia on a hair trigger .  jmo

Ugh! You asked what they did to DESERVE it. Isn’t that pretty much the same thing? Are we really going to do this back and forth thing? Really?

[Tiberius]

24 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Why did Russia invade Ukraine , simple question. 

There’s the history thing going back to Peter the Great and Russian expansion, but Ukraine is/was a successful democracy that was getting stronger in many ways and his fake elections were looking worse and worse as Ukraine’s elections and prosperity looked better and better to Russian citizens. So that was a threat to his corrupt rule. Kind of get the feeling Putin likes war, too 

[Coffeesforclosers]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

There are any number of reasons that this may be happening.

 

It could just be a head fake designed to bring diplomatic pressure to bear on Kyiv and remove some pressure from Moscow.

 

It could indicate that the oligarchs are nervous about potential sanctions and want this adventure wound down.

 

It is also possible that the Russians have simply overextended themselves and are facing a protracted conflict if Ukraine holds fast.

 

What has struck me about this entire operation is the level of operational sophistication that the Russians are trying to showcase. The Russians are attacking over three widely separated axes of advance. Nothing we’ve seen of the Russian Army in the past thirty years would indicate that the Russian Army can sustain the logistics necessary for this ambitious plan.

 

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/02/24/report-russia-offers-terms-of-surrender-to-ukraine-n527216

 

 

 

 

I hope it all blows up in their face of course. I don't think a single government anywhere took this offer seriously. Meanwhile, Ukraine has declared Martial Law, instituted compulsory service, and forbidden all men aged 18-60 from traveling abroad.  

 

Granted they should have done this months ago.

 

I've also heard that Zelensky didn't think Russia was seriously going to invade until about 4 days ago. Anybody else have a good source on that?

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

It has been known for years that Ukraine was on Putins radar. Trump had a friendship with him, we all saw it, trump did not confront seriously or challenge Putin, in fact praised him has he did yesterday.

There were 2 people capable in this world of controlling this ego maniac.

China's leader and the US President. 

Biden is not known for his strength, but Trump had his chance and smiled and glad handed his way through 4 years.

That is not to say he would not be powerful today, but he floated through 4 years with Putin. IMHO

[Tiberius]

An advisor to the Ukrainian president, after initially declaring that Ukraine had repelled the Russians prematurely, announced on Facebook that "Hostomel Airport is ours" and that the "Russian paratroopers have been destroyed." The exact status of the airfield has not been independently confirmed.
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-fight-over-airfield-outside-kyiv-2022-2%3famp

[Big Blitz]

Question to the war hawks 

 

 

When China moves on Taiwan, would you rather have Russia on our side - or would you rather completely sever any potential relationship with them over Ukraine.

 

I know what future I'd prefer and it's the one where Xi and his fascist thugs aren't island hopping their way across the pacific. 

 

But maybe I should be like most and see only 5 minutes in front of my face

 

China is the biggest threat on the planet.  It is the enemy to every freedom you've mocked for 2 years.  

 

 

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk 

[Demongyz]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

Question to the war hawks 

 

 

When China moves on Taiwan, would you rather have Russia on our side - or would you rather completely sever any potential relationship with them over Ukraine.

 

I know what future I'd prefer and it's the one where Xi and his fascist thugs aren't island hopping their way across the pacific. 

 

But maybe I should be like most and see only 5 minutes in front of my face

 

China is the biggest threat on the planet.  It is the enemy to every freedom you've mocked for 2 years.  

 

 

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk 

I'm not a hawk, but Russia will never be on our side against China, and if China moves on Taiwan, we will need to go to war and it's that simple.

[Chef Jim]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What did Ukraine do to deserve Sean Penn ?

 

 

 

 

Now if we can only get them to take Nicolas Cage. 

[aristocrat]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Question to the war hawks 

 

 

When China moves on Taiwan, would you rather have Russia on our side - or would you rather completely sever any potential relationship with them over Ukraine.

 

I know what future I'd prefer and it's the one where Xi and his fascist thugs aren't island hopping their way across the pacific. 

 

But maybe I should be like most and see only 5 minutes in front of my face

 

China is the biggest threat on the planet.  It is the enemy to every freedom you've mocked for 2 years.  

 

 

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk 

what islands are they hopping? Japan,Australia and Hawaii?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

An advisor to the Ukrainian president, after initially declaring that Ukraine had repelled the Russians prematurely, announced on Facebook that "Hostomel Airport is ours" and that the "Russian paratroopers have been destroyed." The exact status of the airfield has not been independently confirmed.
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-fight-over-airfield-outside-kyiv-2022-2%3famp

this is scary. Vlad is moving. It’s no accident he had a televised meeting with Pakistan pm today. I don’t believe this Ukraine thing is isolated- He’s going full throttle.

 

This must be what a mid life crisis for a super villain authoritarian sociopath looks like. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

I'm not a hawk, but Russia will never be on our side against China, and if China moves on Taiwan, we will need to go to war and it's that simple.

 

 

 

The behavior coming from the Pentagon and the DOD lately tells me they know it's happening - within the next 5 years is my guess.  Max.  

 

 

 

Wonder how that guest lecture went on how awesome Chinese socialism actually is at the National Defense University.  

Edited February 25, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

I'm not a hawk, but Russia will never be on our side against China, and if China moves on Taiwan, we will need to go to war and it's that simple.

 

never say never. Global superpower aspirations and a shared border often break down.  I can’t imagine how horrific going to war with China might be. 

[BillStime]

 

jfc

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

jfc

 

 

Is that Ukraine or Ottawa?  

[muppy]

2 hours ago, Westside said:

Figures, the go to party line is to blame Trump. With biden being a mush for brains had nothing to do with encouraging putin to go after Ukraine. 
 

What a mess

where in my post did I say I blamed trump? You dont get to put words in my mouth. His big mouth did nothing but bring attention to himself as usual SMH

 

in the 2bd vernacular I call that a LAMP post. Except chat room heroes/villians/ideologues  are not what is at stake here. What possible good did trolling the media do in this case? SQUAT...

 

SMH

[aristocrat]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

White House says sanctions not designed to disrupt the current flow of energy from Russia to the world

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/02/24/white-house-says-sanctions-not-designed-to-disrupt-the-current-flow-of-energy-from-russia-to-the-world/

 

 

 

 

 

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

Oooh! Look! I CAN post here! 

 

That little test will be the extent of it, however. Has anybody EVER changed anyone else’s opinion here? Doubt it, so I won’t try. It’s just a sad state of affairs. 

 

Carry on….I’ll let myself out. 

Hold the door Augie....lol  

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

White House says sanctions not designed to disrupt the current flow of energy from Russia to the world

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/02/24/white-house-says-sanctions-not-designed-to-disrupt-the-current-flow-of-energy-from-russia-to-the-world/

 

 

 

 

 

Ya, let’s give Putin the distraction of an energy crisis here 😕 

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

White House says sanctions not designed to disrupt the current flow of energy from Russia to the world

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/02/24/white-house-says-sanctions-not-designed-to-disrupt-the-current-flow-of-energy-from-russia-to-the-world/

 

 

 

 

 

Ya, let’s give Putin the distraction of an energy crisis here 😕 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MOSCOW — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told Ukrainians in a video address that he was remaining in the government headquarters in Kyiv, the nation’s capital, even though enemy saboteurs had entered the city and “according to our information, the enemy has identified me as the number one target.”

“They want to destroy Ukraine politically by destroying the head of state,” Zelensky said in a video address in the early hours of the morning. His family, he said, was the No. 2 target, but they also remained in Ukraine.

“My family is not traitors, but citizens of Ukraine. But I have no right to say where they are now,” Zelensky added.

He said enemy “sabotage groups” had infiltrated the city, and that NATO and Europe had left Ukraine alone to defend itself against the Russian onslaught.

“We’re alone for defense of our country. Who will fight along with us now? To be honest, I see no one.”

[B-Man]

 

 

Good News:

 

 

Russians take to the streets to protest Putin's war as Ukraine fights back

 

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/02/24/russians-take-to-the-streets-to-protest-putins-war-as-ukraine-fights-back-n450935

 

 

 

 

Putin Already Facing More Resistance Than He Anticipated — Including From His Own People

 

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/24/putin-already-facing-more-resistance-than-he-anticipated-including-from-his-own-people-n527496

 

 

 

[BillStime]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Is that Ukraine or Ottawa?  

 

You tell us you pos

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Question to the war hawks 

 

 

When China moves on Taiwan, would you rather have Russia on our side - or would you rather completely sever any potential relationship with them over Ukraine.

 

I know what future I'd prefer and it's the one where Xi and his fascist thugs aren't island hopping their way across the pacific. 

 

But maybe I should be like most and see only 5 minutes in front of my face

 

China is the biggest threat on the planet.  It is the enemy to every freedom you've mocked for 2 years.  

 

 

Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk 

That’s a poor choice- both happily pose an existential threat to western democracy.

 

the only positive the may bring is uniting people that ran out of real things to fight about thus resorting to what we’ve done lately 

[716er]

15 hours ago, John Adams said:

Nice thread.

 

Putin starts a war. Posters here attack the president.

 

Irv is right. PPP is 

a shithole? 

Maybe they want this place to be a pro-Putin hell hole 

A shame as the Bills are great 

[Demongyz]

4 minutes ago, 716er said:

a shithole? 

Maybe they want this place to be a pro-Putin hell hole 

A shame as the Bills are great 

I have found a ton of common ground with posters that I never see eye to eye with here.  I think many others have as well.

 

We can agree, disagree, get along, and throw shade all at the same time.  This thread isn't totally toxic, it actually gives me hope for the republic. 

 

Also, not 1 single person on here has said anything pro Putin.  0 zilch nada

[716er]

13 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

I have found a ton of common ground with posters that I never see eye to eye with here.  I think many others have as well.

 

We can agree, disagree, get along, and throw shade all at the same time.  This thread isn't totally toxic, it actually gives me hope for the republic. 

 

Also, not 1 single person on here has said anything pro Putin.  0 zilch nada

Lol why were you previously banned?

 

eek

shithole