B-Man Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 A real thread. For serious posters. Closing Arguments in Arbery Killing Trial: Live Updates 18 hours ago — Lawyers have concluded their statements defending the three men charged with murdering Ahmaud Arbery in Brunswick, Ga. The prosecution will ... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/22/us/ahmaud-arbery-murder-trial Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was shot and killed by two armed men while jogging in a South Georgia neighborhood back on Feb 23, 2020. Ahmaud Arbery: What you need to know about the case - BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52623151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 The jury has begun deliberations in the trial over Ahmaud Arbery's killing https://www.npr.org/2021/11/23/1058270899/ahmaud-arbery-murder-trial-latest FTA: She told the jury the men had no right to claim self-defense as they were the ones who started the confrontation with Arbery, chasing him for roughly five minutes. "You can't claim self-defense if you are the unjustified, initial aggressor," Dunikoski said. "This isn't the Wild West." Prosecutors and defense attorneys made closing arguments on Monday. Travis McMichael, his father, Greg, and William 'Roddie' Bryan have all been charged with Arbery's murder. Arbery, 25, was jogging through a suburban neighborhood when the three men started pursuing him in pickup trucks. Travis McMichael shot Arbery dead. Obvious differences from the Rittenhouse case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 The father and son are guilty of murder. The unarmed man who filmed what happened was critical and innocent. jmo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 Arbery Case VERDICT WATCH Day 1: Jurors Have Begun Deliberations Welcome to our ongoing coverage of the Ahmaud Arbery case trial, in which Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and William “Ryan” Bryan are on trial on charges of murder and other felonies over the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery on February 23, 2020 in Brunswick GA. This is our VERDICT WATCH post, where we will share any fast-breaking news on verdicts and other events around the jury deliberations which begin today. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/arbery-case-verdict-watch-day-1-jurors-have-begun-deliberations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Amazing the lack of coverage of this trial, where an actual black man was murdered by white men, and not in self-defense. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 UPDATE 6:04 p.m.: First seemed that jury wanted to break for the evening, but now saying they want to continue. Hopefully they are making progress. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/arbery-case-verdict-watch-day-1-jurors-have-begun-deliberat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Doc said: Amazing the lack of coverage of this trial, where an actual black man was murdered by white men, and not in self-defense. I find that confusing to be honest. You would think the left and msm would be all over this just for the racial undertones if it. Instead, they chose the white kid killing two white men as racial injustice stand. Very perplexing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBills Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Westside said: I find that confusing to be honest. You would think the left and msm would be all over this just for the racial undertones if it. Instead, they chose the white kid killing two white men as racial injustice stand. Very perplexing. They have been, no idea what original poster was talking about...it was all over the triumverate of Liberal Cable news including all the DA and Defense presentations, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, OrangeBills said: They have been, no idea what original poster was talking about...it was all over the triumverate of Liberal Cable news including all the DA and Defense presentations, etc. I rarely watch the news, I have no idea what this trial is about besides a murder trial. If they are guilty, I hope they get the max, if they are innocent, I hope they are set free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 Trial on Death of Ahmaud Arbery Is Coming to a Close By Jeff Charles https://redstate.com/jeffc/2021/11/23/trial-on-death-of-ahmaud-arbery-is-coming-to-a-close-n480695 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Not sure what there is to deliberate about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Not sure what there is to deliberate about here. I thought the same for the Rittenhouse trial and that took five days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Westside said: I thought the same for the Rittenhouse trial and that took five days. I think Rittenhouse had a legitimate case for self defense. These dipshlts really didn't. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Westside said: I thought the same for the Rittenhouse trial and that took five days. Don’t be confused or make a judgement on the time it takes to reach a verdict. You have no idea whether the jury made up their mind in the first twenty minutes and is just sitting in the room making it appear that there’s deliberations going on. It happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 This case to me is murder when you try to detain someone that you have no legal right to detain. No one can claim self defense when they chase someone, and point a gun at them. I assume the jury will see it that way but I do worry because "beyond a reasonable doubt" is a high standard to reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 20 hours ago, B-Man said: She told the jury the men had no right to claim self-defense as they were the ones who started the confrontation with Arbery, chasing him for roughly five minutes. "You can't claim self-defense if you are the unjustified, initial aggressor," Dunikoski said. "This isn't the Wild West." Fact check: true. Regardless of what Arbery was doing in that construction site, you can't confront him at gunpoint when it's not your *****in business. He posed no threat to you or yours. Do not pass go, *****. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 Arbery Case VERDICT WATCH Day 2 Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and William “Ryan” Bryan are on trial on charges of murder and other felonies over the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery on February 23, 2020, in Brunswick, GA. https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/arbery-case-verdict-watch-day-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Travis Mcmichael guilty on all counts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Father guilty on all but the malice murder charges I believe The other guy guilty of felony murder and a bunch of other counts. Not guilty on a few. Assuming they are all dying in prison at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Once again, justice was served... I couldn't imagine this one going any other way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Based on the defense attorney's comments about the toenails and asking the black pastors to leave the courtroom I hope they weren't trying to get some kind of case for ineffective counsel later on. Just stupid ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) The juries in the two most high profile cases of the year go undefeated. While every other aspect of our justice system is a mess, at the very least, the concept of “jury of your peers” restores some semblance of confidence. Edited November 24, 2021 by SCBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Good riddance to these fools. It’s little consolation to the family who lost their son/brother/friend etc but this story is right out of the Deep South 1955 with one exception—guilty af. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) The two deserve to go to prison for life. However, I'm a little surprised at the verdict for the neighbor. He just followed and filmed. Can a case be made for all the people during the riots that did the same thing? I'll be curious to see how they are sentenced. Edited November 24, 2021 by unbillievable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Father guilty on all but the malice murder charges I believe The other guy guilty of felony murder and a bunch of other counts. Not guilty on a few. Assuming they are all dying in prison at this point What felony did he commit? I didn't follow his stuff that closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: What felony did he commit? I didn't follow his stuff that closely. I think they got him for being part of the mob. Helped to contain Arbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: Helped to contain Arbery. Thought you said he just followed and filmed? Big difference between that and helping contain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 VERDICT COUNT l – MALICE MURDER, O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Not Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Not Guilty COUNT 2 – FELONY MURDER, O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 – Aggravated Assault TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Not Guilty COUNT 3 – FELONY MURDER, O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 – Aggravated Assault TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Guilty COUNT 4 – FELONY MURDER, O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 – False Imprisonment TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Guilty COUNT 5 – FELONY MURDER, O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 – Criminal Attempt to Commit False Imprisonment TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Guilty COUNT 6 – AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, O.C.G.A. 16-5-21 – Assault with firearm, deadly weapon, to wit: a 12 gauge shotgun TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Not Guilty COUNT 7 – AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, O.C.G.A. 16-5-21 – Assault with a Ford F-150 pickup truck and a Chevy Silverado pickup truck TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Guilty COUNT 8 – FALSE IMPRISONMENT, O.C.G.A. 16-5-41 – Unlawfully confine and detain Ahmaud Arbery without legal authority, to wit: said accused did chase Ahmaud Arbery with a Ford F-150 pickup truck and a Chevy Silverado pickup truck through the public roadways of the Satilla Shores neighborhood and did confine and detain Ahmaud Arbery on Holmes Drive using said pickup trucks. TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Guilty COUNT 9 – CRIMINAL ATTEMPT TO COMMIT A FELONY, O.C.G.A. 16-4-1 – In violation of the personal liberty of Ahmaud Arbery, unlawfully chase Ahmaud Arbery through the public roadways of the Satilla Shores neighborhood in pickup trucks and did attempt to confine and detain Ahmaud Arbery without legal authority on Burford Drive using a Ford F-150 pickup truck and a Chevy Silverado pickup truck. TRAVIS MCMICHAEL Guilty GREG MCMICHAEL Guilty WILLIAM R BRYAN Guilty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, unbillievable said: The two deserve to go to prison for life. However, I'm a little surprised at the verdict for the neighbor. He just followed and filmed. Can a case be made for all the people during the riots that did the same thing? I'll be curious to see how they are sentenced. That’s the beauty of our justice system- different jurisdictions seek different charges for certain crimes...and it usually depends on who is voted into office to prosecute the crime...👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/23/2021 at 3:18 PM, Doc said: Amazing the lack of coverage of this trial, where an actual black man was murdered by white men, and not in self-defense. Truth - especially considering justice was almost NOT served. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, BillStime said: Truth - especially considering justice was almost NOT served. I actually agree with you?.. Yup, charges likely would never have been filed without the video. Homie self owned himself by leaking the footage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: I actually agree with you?.. Yup, charges likely would never have been filed without the video. Homie self owned himself by leaking the footage. i have wondered how the hell the video got out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 These dudes are guilty, just like Rittenhouse was innocent. Each case has to be judged upon its own merit and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Sucks for the third guy. Imagine having to spend the rest of your life in jail for witnessing a murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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unbillievable Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Beach said: i have wondered how the hell the video got out? He thought he was proving self defense by leaking the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 hours ago, unbillievable said: He thought he was proving self defense by leaking the video. wow, so he is gonna be in jail for pretty much being stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 6 hours ago, unbillievable said: He thought he was proving self defense by leaking the video. The video showed he was not near Arbery only filming what happened . Without the video the father and son might have gotten away with murder. I think the filmer should get a appeal at least a lot shorter sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Yeah I can't believe the father and the neighbor might get life in prison when the son is the one who actually shot and killed Arbery. I also don't know if I agree with "malice murder" for the son considering the definition is "no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart," as he engaged Arbery over alleged thefts and they both struggled for the gun. I think voluntary manslaughter would have been the more appropriate charge. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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