Alec Baldwin accidentally kills movie crew member (real bullet accidentally put in prop gun)

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Agred. I am all but certain his main (if not only) concerns are:

1) Not going to jail.

2) Getting sued.

3) Will his career be effected?

 

That said, have you seen his tweets about police officers taking innocent lives? These comments, calling numerous people "fa^^*ts," his evil tirade against his daughter, and of course HIS shooting will combine to follow him forever, although he probably won't care because he is an evil scumbag.

Getting sued and saving his career, probably. I doubt jail is a real possibility.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Agred. I am all but certain his main (if not only) concerns are:

1) Not going to jail.

2) Getting sued.

3) Will his career be effected?

 

That said, have you seen his tweets about police officers taking innocent lives? These comments, calling numerous people "fa^^*ts," his evil tirade against his daughter, and of course HIS shooting will combine to follow him forever, although he probably won't care because he is an evil scumbag.

It’s really quite ironic that a guy who publicly disparages the actions of officers in serious jeopardy, and who tends to resort to fisticuffs in disputes, is responsible ultimately for recklessly discharging a weapon in what amounts to a glorified high school production of Oklahoma.
 

 

[Irv]

Sounds like he just lost it and wanted to kill.  Thankfully he didn’t take more lives. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

21 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Exiled Dude, they literally go through life pretending to be something different (oddly, they pretend to be cops and awful

lot, though some don’t seem to like the real ones).  Is it so much to pretend to be someone who knows about gun safety?   
 

I’m going to take a flier on your ‘Police set up AB’ theory.   It may ultimately have legs, though I always wonder why they wouldn’t just shoot AB if they really wanted to f with him. 

I had typed something else but it occurred to me that every time Hollywood just about convinces me that guns are THE problem, they change it up and tell me it’s actually union flunky we have to worry about.  

I just figured if some others will have their conspiracy theories... I might as well throw one out from the Hollywood Coastal Elite side of the fence.

 

But honestly... He pisses off the what was the most powerful guy in world and his podunk followers... Those guys know the differences between bullets.  It would be pretty ez-pz to set up a Hollywood dweeb:

 

"HERE!  Go shoot that scene... USE this!"

 

"Okay... If it's okay with the filmmakers union, it's okay with ME!... Wait,  this is a non-Union Hulu movie?"

 

😏 

[ExiledInIllinois]

[RaoulDuke79]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rust-shooting-film-crew-used-alec-baldwins-gun-for-live-target-practice-fdcjd8tsc

 

Seems there was all kinds of mismanagement on this set.

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Getting sued and saving his career, probably. I doubt jail is a real possibility.

Won't the Union protect him?

 

Hollywood has some of the historically strongest unions around. 

 

😆 

3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rust-shooting-film-crew-used-alec-baldwins-gun-for-live-target-practice-fdcjd8tsc

 

Seems there was all kinds of mismanagement on this set.

Art and life can get pretty confusing.  Now mix in the goal of "Zero-Fail" safety... 

 

...I mean, I can see the need for hot weapons when filming.  I can also see the need for a cold weapon.  

 

"Perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to film/live in the real world."

 

How many times does this happen 🤔?  Every 20 years?  Did they save the footage.   It will look real. 

 

😏 

[Irv]

Wildly firing at anything that moves seems pretty irresponsible. What’s wrong with this guy?  Total head case.  

[Chef Jim]

Who put a bullet in the furnace..............?

 

First correct guess of the source of the above wins.  

Edited October 24, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Chef Jim]

15 hours ago, Shamrock said:

Wouldn’t and shouldn’t the armourer be responsible for handing it over? Surely they’re in charge of weapons on set at ALL times? 

 

When I firearm is handed over in a scenario such as this it should be checked twice.  Once by the person handing it and the other accepting it.   

[ExiledInIllinois]

39 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Who put a bullet in the furnace..............?

 

First correct guess of the source of the above wins.  

The non-union Prop Guy?

Johnny.   Tell me what I won!

21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

When I firearm is handed over in a scenario such as this it should be checked twice.  Once by the person handing it and the other accepting it.   

Do you know what a blank looks like?

 

Is it painted like safety yellow or red or something. 

 

If I am an actor, or heck... My boss tells me to go do something... I do it, no questions asked. 

 

Yeah... Right,  I am gonna check the weapon... They have paid help for that in safety department. 

 

Are you kidding me.  You gotta be joking soldier.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

Why don't we make a law to check twice,  shoot once.  Someone make Alec Baldwin take training on how to detect a live round.  😏 

 

Cops first priority.   Then actors.  Like the vaccines.  Priority system here. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois

[T&C]

43 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

When I firearm is handed over in a scenario such as this it should be checked twice.  Once by the person handing it and the other accepting it.   

Of all the shoot'em up movies that have been made, how many of those actors/actresses do you think are trained in true firearm safety? Probably not that many... they just take their pre-approved prop gun, rocket launcher, machine gun... and go act the part. I'm surprised no one actually got killed at the tollbooth scene in The Godfather lol.

[Chef Jim]

21 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

The non-union Prop Guy?

Johnny.   Tell me what I won!

 

You've won bupkis.  

22 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Do you know what a blank looks like?

 

Is it painted like safety yellow or red or something. 

 

If I am an actor, or heck... My boss tells me to go do something... I do it, no questions asked. 

 

Yeah... Right,  I am gonna check the weapon... They have paid help for that in safety department. 

 

Are you kidding me.  You gotta be joking soldier.

 

Ok kids listen up.  We will be using weapons in the filming of this (movie, TV show, whatever).  Here are the protocols.  All weapons will be checked twice when being handed out.  Once by the person handing the weapon over for the scene and the actor being handed that gun for that particular scene.  Then when you are done with the weapon check to make sure it is not loaded before handing it back to props and then props confirms that it is not live.  Clear?  Clear??  CLEAR???

 

No I'm not joking.  Follow that protocol above and this thread doesn't exist.  

1 minute ago, T&C said:

Of all the shoot'em up movies that have been made, how many of those actors/actresses do you think are trained in true firearm safety? Probably not that many... they just take their pre-approved prop gun, rocket launcher, machine gun... and go act the part. I'm surprised no one actually got killed at the tollbooth scene in The Godfather lol.

 

Simple.  Look at how many handle their weapon, not pointing it at a target, and have their finger on the trigger.  That's the first thing they ***** teach you.  And a good range master will drill that into you.  Our range master said we yell because we care.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You've won bupkis.  

 

Ok kids listen up.  We will be using weapons in the filming of this (movie, TV show, whatever).  Here are the protocols.  All weapons will be checked twice when being handed out.  Once by the person handing the weapon over for the scene and the actor being handed that gun for that particular scene.  Then when you are done with the weapon check to make sure it is not loaded before handing it back to props and then props confirms that it is not live.  Clear?  Clear??  CLEAR???

 

No I'm not joking.  Follow that protocol above and this thread doesn't exist.  

 

Simple.  Look at how many handle their weapon, not pointing it at a target, and have their finger on the trigger.  That's the first thing they ***** teach you.  And a good range master will drill that into you.  Our range master said we yell because we care.  

Too complicated.   I stopped reading after you said: "You've won bupkis."

 

You're mistake, should've kept me hanging on and posted that last.😜 

[T&C]

These people aren't on a gun range... lol. They are handed a supposedly safe prop weapon.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, T&C said:

These people aren't on a gun range... lol. They are handed a supposedly safe prop weapon.

 

Same protocol.  Supposedly safe weapon.  Never assume our someone may get shot.  Gee, where have i heard this before?  

[T&C]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Same protocol.  Supposedly safe weapon.  Never assume our someone may get shot.  Gee, where have i heard this before?  

All actors aren't weapon specialists... they act.

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, T&C said:

All actors aren't weapon specialists... they act.

 

Ok couple things.   Here's a story. I was a Chef in a restaurant and there was food in the window getting ruined under the heat lamps.  It was John's table

 

Me:  Hey John, you're a actor right?

John:  Yes, yes I am!

Me:  Good then act like a ***** waiter and get this food out of may kitchen!!

 

Moral of the story.  You handle weapons, regardless who you are, you follow protocol  "You're an actor, act like a weapons specialist.  Here is an article that does a good job talking about the protocol.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/24/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-avoidable-gun-safety-protocols/6161048001/

[Warcodered]

15 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Ok couple things.   Here's a story. I was a Chef in a restaurant and there was food in the window getting ruined under the heat lamps.  It was John's table

 

Me:  Hey John, you're a actor right?

John:  Yes, yes I am!

Me:  Good then act like a ***** waiter and get this food out of may kitchen!!

 

Moral of the story.  You handle weapons, regardless who you are, you follow protocol  "You're an actor, act like a weapons specialist.  Here is an article that does a good job talking about the protocol.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/24/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-avoidable-gun-safety-protocols/6161048001/

I mean for actors in general I will say that they have to portray things that aren't safe/smart. But that's why there's a bunch of other things that the crew is supposed to to do to ensure safety so an accident doesn't occur. Now I don't know if he was reckless in his role as an actor but since he's also a producer he's got plenty of responsibility for the stupidity on that set.

Edited October 25, 2021 by Warcodered

[The Poojer]

Uh oh, there's a possible Clinton link to this story.  Another arkancide????

 

https://newsthud.com/alec-baldwin-shooting-victim-is-wife-of-lawyer-tied-to-clinton-linked-durham-case/

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I just figured if some others will have their conspiracy theories... I might as well throw one out from the Hollywood Coastal Elite side of the fence.

 

But honestly... He pisses off the what was the most powerful guy in world and his podunk followers... Those guys know the differences between bullets.  It would be pretty ez-pz to set up a Hollywood dweeb:

 

"HERE!  Go shoot that scene... USE this!"

 

"Okay... If it's okay with the filmmakers union, it's okay with ME!... Wait,  this is a non-Union Hulu movie?"

 

😏

Again, the irony.  A couple hours in Podunk, where they learn em early that delegating your personal responsibility can have serious and tragic consequences, probably prevents Alec from delegating his personal responsibility and the serious and  tragic consequences that followed.  

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Again, the irony.  A couple hours in Podunk, where they learn em early that delegating your personal responsibility can have serious and tragic consequences, probably prevents Alec from delegating his personal responsibility and the serious and  tragic consequences that followed.  

 

 

LoL... Yeah they learn it early in Podunk County, USA.

 

😆 🤣 

 

Nice one!  What are they Boy Scouts and fall on the range master's every command. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

LoL... Yeah they learn it early in Podunk County, USA.

 

😆 🤣 

 

Nice one!  What are they Boy Scouts and fall on the range master's every command. 

Oh the irony!   The Boy Scout motto, “Be Prepared” would have encouraged ole Alec to, you know, be prepared!   Instead, welp….

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Oh the irony!   The Boy Scout motto, “Be Prepared” would have encouraged ole Alec to, you know, be prepared!   Instead, welp….

Honestly... Who the heck is gonna check.  I don't even know the difference between a blank and live round and I am OCD with more than the average range hours. 

 

Come on... Who's gonna check in that situation? ***** it... It's on the safety office.  

 

I get the irony.  My conspiracy theory.   Maybe that's why someone set him up? Again... What actor is gonna check.  Even if they did, what are they gonna do, un-chamber the round and say: "Does this look real to you?" 😆 🤣 

 

I assume a blank looks identical.   It has to be fired.   Can't be painted... So it has to be stamped?  No???

Maybe a bright color anodized material to stand out from live rounds?

[Just Jack]

13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I assume a blank looks identical.   It has to be fired.   Can't be painted... So it has to be stamped?  No???

Maybe a bright color anodized material to stand out from live rounds?

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Honestly... Who the heck is gonna check.  I don't even know the difference between a blank and live round and I am OCD with more than the average range hours. 

 

Come on... Who's gonna check in that situation? ***** it... It's on the safety office.  

 

I get the irony.  My conspiracy theory.   Maybe that's why someone set him up? Again... What actor is gonna check.  Even if they did, what are they gonna do, un-chamber the round and say: "Does this look real to you?" 😆 🤣 

 

I assume a blank looks identical.   It has to be fired.   Can't be painted... So it has to be stamped?  No???

Maybe a bright color anodized material to stand out from live rounds?

Ok one more.  Oh, the irony!   The only thing real on the set is the one durn thing that should not have been!  
 

I am not a gun owner, have no range experience at all, and I really think when the question boils down to “Who’s going to check?”, it’s got to be the guy pulling the trigger and everyone else who’s handling it.  
 

Sounds like it was,mah, the wild Wild West on this set.  It’s a shame the young lady died, and it obviously never should have happened. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Ok one more.  Oh, the irony!   The only thing real on the set is the one durn thing that should not have been!  
 

I am not a gun owner, have no range experience at all, and I really think when the question boils down to “Who’s going to check?”, it’s got to be the guy pulling the trigger and everyone else who’s handling it.  
 

Sounds like it was,mah, the wild Wild West on this set.  It’s a shame the young lady died, and it obviously never should have happened. 

It was a Hulu movie... Hollywood is becoming a scab scene. 

 

This is what happens when you break down the union trades.  Get a scab scene. 

[Bill from NYC]

8 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Honestly... Who the heck is gonna check.  I don't even know the difference between a blank and live round and I am OCD with more than the average range hours. 

 

Come on... Who's gonna check in that situation? ***** it... It's on the safety office.  

 

I get the irony.  My conspiracy theory.   Maybe that's why someone set him up? Again... What actor is gonna check.  Even if they did, what are they gonna do, un-chamber the round and say: "Does this look real to you?" 😆 🤣 

 

I assume a blank looks identical.   It has to be fired.   Can't be painted... So it has to be stamped?  No???

Maybe a bright color anodized material to stand out from live rounds?

Do you point guns that you guns that you think are empty at people?  I suppose you could if the "safety office" says it's OK, right?

6 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

 

This is what happens when you break down the union trades.  Get a scab scene. 

The above I agree with.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Do you point guns that you guns that you think are empty at people?  I suppose you could if the "safety office" says it's OK, right?

The above I agree with.

Yup! Job is to act.  If it means pointing a gun during a scene... I trust the team not to steer me wrong.   Not my job to check them.

 

They are actors creating a scene.  This ain't a little kid or heck anybody else pointing a weapon at a person. 

 

It's just plain stupid to equate acting with normal gun handling. Safety management should have been in place to hand a cold gun off to the actor properly.  It's not the actor's job to check... In real life it's of course everyone's.  Anyway, probably occasions where they need a live weapon.  

 

The actor is being paid to act. The safety team is in charge of a zero-fail mission.  They failed here.

 

It's simply not the actor's job here to constantly check.  You lose the moment and spontaneity of the scene.  Nothing would get shot (excuse the bad pun) if there was continued checking by the actors.

 

Look... This only happens once every 25 years or so.... It ain't like our government thugs on main street USA 😉😜 Where it happens daily.  Yeah, those guys  need to check and trust only themselves. 

 

 

[Just Jack]

And the cover up starts....

 

Quote

The producers urged those who worked on the film before Thursday's shooting to stick together.

...

The producers said that although there have been leaks from insiders, members of the cast and crew were not encouraged to speak with reporters.

...

"We are sorry to hear that so many of you are receiving unsolicited contacts from the media while all of us need time and space to grieve and heal. You don’t need to engage, but if you do, just ask the journalists to respect your privacy. It should help."

 

Baldwin was 'practicing' with gun when it went off, warrant says

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yup! Job is to act.  If it means pointing a gun during a scene... I trust the team not to steer me wrong.   Not my job to check them.

 

They are actors creating a scene.  This ain't a little kid or heck anybody else pointing a weapon at a person. 

 

It's just plain stupid to equate acting with normal gun handling. Safety management should have been in place to hand a cold gun off to the actor properly.  It's not the actor's job to check... In real life it's of course everyone's.  Anyway, probably occasions where they need a live weapon.  

 

The actor is being paid to act. The safety team is in charge of a zero-fail mission.  They failed here.

 

It's simply not the actor's job here to constantly check.  You lose the moment and spontaneity of the scene.  Nothing would get shot (excuse the bad pun) if there was continued checking by the actors.

 

Look... This only happens once every 25 years or so.... It ain't like our government thugs on main street USA 😉😜 Where it happens daily.  Yeah, those guys  need to check and trust only themselves. 

 

 

 

It was real life for the woman who was shot dead.

 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Hot for armorer?

 

https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/rookie-armorer-on-baldwin-set-said-she-loves-to-show-how-safe-guns-are/

 

 

[Irv]

There is no excuse for randomly spraying bullets around a movie set.   How could anyone be so irresponsible?  It should be thrown in jail.  

[Rockpile233]

This may be a very ignorant statement, but serious question.

 

Why even have live rounds on site? Period. Sorry, not blaming any actor for this tragic accident. It should be the role of the safety professional to properly educate the people using the prop guns. I’m honestly blown away by the complete breakdown of safety processes in this story. 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Rockpile233

[Gugny]

28 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

This may be a very ignorant statement, but serious question.

 

Why even have live rounds on site? Period. Sorry, not blaming any actor for this tragic accident. It should be the role of the safety professional to properly educate the people using the prop guns. I’m honestly blown away by the complete breakdown of safety processes in this story. 

 

I don't think you statement/question is ignorant at all.  It's totally inexcusable and 100% avoidable.

[dpberr]

That armorer and crew will never work in Hollywood again.   The armorer and the assistant producer are likely going to jail, as is the person who loaded the revolver with live rounds, especially if there wasn't a reason to do so.     

 

The chain of custody extends to everyone who touches it, including Baldwin.  Fundamental gun safety rules were ignored here and someone died and another seriously injured because of that.   

 

IMO, this is a different case from Brandon Lee's death because in 1993, the crew properly loaded the handgun with a blank round and Michael Masse, the actor who "shot" Lee, verified it was a blank round loaded in the firearm.  What they didn't see was a fragment of a dummy round from a previous discharge remained in front of one of the blanks.  Of course, the firearm expert (James Moyer) and stage crew never worked in Hollywood after the event. 

 

In this current case, it was a real deal live round someone put in the revolver, and nobody bothered to check the revolver as it went from person to person.  

 

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by dpberr

[Metal Man]

1 hour ago, Rockpile233 said:

This may be a very ignorant statement, but serious question.

 

Why even have live rounds on site? Period. Sorry, not blaming any actor for this tragic accident. It should be the role of the safety professional to properly educate the people using the prop guns. I’m honestly blown away by the complete breakdown of safety processes in this story. 

 

I have been trying to rectify this question in my head as well. There would be zero reason to have any live rounds on a movie set at all.

 

The only thing that might make sense will be that it could end up being similar to what happened to Brandon Lee where they had prop bullets for a gun loading scene and somehow a piece of one of those lodged in the barrel so when the blank round was fired there was actually a projectile forced out that ended up killing him.

 

If it turns out to be an actual round that was loaded into that weapon then I'd think someone will have to be held criminally negligent. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Rockpile233 said:

This may be a very ignorant statement, but serious question.

 

Why even have live rounds on site? Period. Sorry, not blaming any actor for this tragic accident. It should be the role of the safety professional to properly educate the people using the prop guns. I’m honestly blown away by the complete breakdown of safety processes in this story. 

I assume some scenes may need a different effect... Like a bullet hitting an object and shattering it?

 

I guess they got a little too close to reality which caused a mix up.

 

Again...  I'd like to know what a blank round looks like, how to tell the difference and the mechanics behind it. I know a live round will hit the pin, it explodes, then send the projectile.  Then spent shell/casing is expelled or left there (revolver). What happens when a blank round fires? There can't be a projectile,  right?  Just cap and a casing.  How does a blank fill the chamber without sending anything through the barrel?

 

I know they say never assume,  but I would guess AB assumed what ever they gave him was safe.   He's acting.  It's his job.  Now in real life, you check twice.

3 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

Well that’s quite a sensationalized mischaracterization. Nobody was spraying bullets around the set.

 

”Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a scene in which he draws a gun and points it at the camera when the gun — which the crew had been told did not contain live rounds — suddenly went off and killed the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, according to an affidavit.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/24/arts/baldwin-shooting-details.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
 

Meanwhile, Donald Trump Jr. is selling “guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people” shirts for $27.99.

/smdh... Is Trump donating the proceeds?

Maybe he did have the mix-up take place.  😆 

Edited October 25, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

 

Or:  Filming the actual projectile?  Yet, can't that be CGI in now?