Backintheday544 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That isn’t what that says. I don’t see anywhere in there that people seeking asylum need to be from a bordering country like you asserted. These 48 people were asylum seekers under US law and as such here in the US legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: I don’t see anywhere in there that people seeking asylum need to be from a bordering country like you asserted. These 48 people were asylum seekers under US law and as such here in the US legally. That wouldn’t make sense. That means we could only accept asylum seekers from Mexico or Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: That wouldn’t make sense. That means we could only accept asylum seekers from Mexico or Canada. Exactly and the was SoCals assertion: “Has something changed? I thought international law was that asylum seekers had to seek asylum in the country that shares an immediate border with their home country? Is Venezuela now adjoining the US? “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: That wouldn’t make sense. That means we could only accept asylum seekers from Mexico or Canada. It does make sense. The purpose of these asylum laws is to keep people from country shopping. It’s not a tourist program. The United States can accept people from other countries, but it’s my understanding that we do not have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Just now, Backintheday544 said: Exactly and the was SoCals assertion: “Has something changed? I thought international law was that asylum seekers had to seek asylum in the country that shares an immediate border with their home country? Is Venezuela now adjoining the US? “ I know his assertion and that’s what I was referring to when I said it doesn’t make sense. Sorry for the ambiguity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Still luring people from Texas - typical fascist - above the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 DeSantis is now being sued by the migrants who were flown to MV: https://www.axios.com/2022/09/20/migrants-desantis-marthas-vineyard-lawsuit?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 This is gut-busting stuff. It’s so stupid that it’s hard to believe it’s not satire, but here we are, with people who illegally crossed the border now suing a governor for giving them a free ride to a sanctuary city they knew they were going to, including signing a release form. My first big question here is how in the world there’s any standing here. In order to sue for damages, you typically need to have been damaged. How were these illegal immigrants damaged financially by no longer living under an overpass and instead flying to Martha’s Vineyard? And given it was technically the State of Florida who transported the illegal immigrants, what standing exists to sue DeSantis personally? Then there are the supposed merits of the lawsuit. In what way was what Florida did 1) illegal, 2) fraudulent, and 3) financially advantageous? The state did not make any money on the deal. Rather, they spent money that was put in the last budget. As to political benefit, that is completely subjective. Some would say the move hurt DeSantis and the state politically. How do you even quantify that? Everything about this lawsuit is farcical and nonsensical. Any judge worth their salt will throw this thing out immediately. There’s obviously no standing to sue DeSantis, and nothing laid out in the fact pattern is backed by real evidence. What crimes are even been alleged to have occurred to back up the assertion that the flights were “illegal?” It’s just laughable. But this is what always happens when a Republican is effective and starts winning. Lawfare is standard fare for the left, as we’ve seen with how Donald Trump has been targeted. I suspect DeSantis is prepared for this, though, and that he’ll once again come out on top when all is said and done. The left hate the Florida man because they fear the Florida man. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/09/20/gut-busting-class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-ron-desantis-by-illegal-aliens-n630607 . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 7 hours ago, B-Man said: This is gut-busting stuff. It’s so stupid that it’s hard to believe it’s not satire, but here we are, with people who illegally crossed the border now suing a governor for giving them a free ride to a sanctuary city they knew they were going to, including signing a release form. My first big question here is how in the world there’s any standing here. In order to sue for damages, you typically need to have been damaged. How were these illegal immigrants damaged financially by no longer living under an overpass and instead flying to Martha’s Vineyard? And given it was technically the State of Florida who transported the illegal immigrants, what standing exists to sue DeSantis personally? Then there are the supposed merits of the lawsuit. In what way was what Florida did 1) illegal, 2) fraudulent, and 3) financially advantageous? The state did not make any money on the deal. Rather, they spent money that was put in the last budget. As to political benefit, that is completely subjective. Some would say the move hurt DeSantis and the state politically. How do you even quantify that? Everything about this lawsuit is farcical and nonsensical. Any judge worth their salt will throw this thing out immediately. There’s obviously no standing to sue DeSantis, and nothing laid out in the fact pattern is backed by real evidence. What crimes are even been alleged to have occurred to back up the assertion that the flights were “illegal?” It’s just laughable. But this is what always happens when a Republican is effective and starts winning. Lawfare is standard fare for the left, as we’ve seen with how Donald Trump has been targeted. I suspect DeSantis is prepared for this, though, and that he’ll once again come out on top when all is said and done. The left hate the Florida man because they fear the Florida man. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/09/20/gut-busting-class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-ron-desantis-by-illegal-aliens-n630607 . Your quotes need to do some research. Like really maybe if the right were educated and not lied to all the time they would see things are wrong. Just the first paragraph alone: This is gut-busting stuff. It’s so stupid that it’s hard to believe it’s not satire, but here we are, with people who illegally crossed the border - they were not in the US illegally now suing a governor for giving them a free ride - the ride cost $615,000 or about 30 cents in taxes per FL resident. to a sanctuary city - MV isn’t a sanctuary city they knew they were going to, - they thought they were going to Boston or DC including signing a release form. - contracts are invalid if signed under false pretenses. For anyone who would like a factual read and the accounts of migrants, here is the complaint filed by them: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.248428/gov.uscourts.mad.248428.1.0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Your quotes need to do some research. Like really maybe if the right were educated and not lied to all the time they would see things are wrong. Just the first paragraph alone: This is gut-busting stuff. It’s so stupid that it’s hard to believe it’s not satire, but here we are, with people who illegally crossed the border - they were not in the US illegally now suing a governor for giving them a free ride - the ride cost $615,000 or about 30 cents in taxes per FL resident. to a sanctuary city - MV isn’t a sanctuary city they knew they were going to, - they thought they were going to Boston or DC including signing a release form. - contracts are invalid if signed under false pretenses. For anyone who would like a factual read and the accounts of migrants, here is the complaint filed by them: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.248428/gov.uscourts.mad.248428.1.0.pdf So what you’re saying is that so long as they follow your well outlined roadmap with the NEXT bus load it’s ‘gentlemen, start your engines’. Thanks…let’s roll! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So what you’re saying is that so long as they follow your well outlined roadmap with the NEXT bus load it’s ‘gentlemen, start your engines’. Thanks…let’s roll! If the outline you speak of is following the law then yes. I’m all for moving people to where resource allocations can support them. Border towns aren’t having issues and sanctuary cities want to help, great. Let’s get a Federal effort to help these people. Things that shouldn’t be done: - Abbott not telling other governors when and where the people will arrive. That’s 100 percent political and isn’t in the best interest of the people - lying to get people to go. Anyone who would want to be part of such program need to provide full consent being knowledgeable about what is going on. - using taxpayer funds actually allocated to such endeavors - sending them to actual sanctuary cities where there are resources for them. MV is not a sanctuary city and doesn’t have resources for 50 unannounced people, but there are plenty of sanctuary cities in the US they could have sent sent them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: If the outline you speak of is following the law then yes. I’m all for moving people to where resource allocations can support them. Border towns aren’t having issues and sanctuary cities want to help, great. Let’s get a Federal effort to help these people. Things that shouldn’t be done: - Abbott not telling other governors when and where the people will arrive. That’s 100 percent political and isn’t in the best interest of the people - lying to get people to go. Anyone who would want to be part of such program need to provide full consent being knowledgeable about what is going on. - using taxpayer funds actually allocated to such endeavors - sending them to actual sanctuary cities where there are resources for them. MV is not a sanctuary city and doesn’t have resources for 50 unannounced people, but there are plenty of sanctuary cities in the US they could have sent sent them. Excellent….as I said LET’s ROLL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 The unserious immigration-fraud lawsuit against DeSantis JONATHAN TURLEY The undocumented migrants who were transferred to Martha’s Vineyard have quickly adopted one common American practice: litigation. A firm, Lawyers for Civil Rights, in conjunction with the migrant-led nonprofit Alianza Americas, filed the action on behalf of Yanet Doe, Pablo Doe and Jesus Doe who are using pseudonyms for the action “on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated.” The filing is a Jackson Pollock of legal claims with twelve claims thrown against Florida from false imprisonment to intentional infliction of emotional distress to misuse of the Coronavirus State Fiscal Recovery Fund. The splattering of a claims face considerable legal barriers based on the consent of the migrants, as shown in a waiver released by Florida. The filing of a lawsuit upon entry to the United States is not unprecedented, of course. Indeed, I teach in torts where an immigrant to the United States filed a tort action for an involuntary inoculation upon entry in O’Brien v. Cunard. Yet, this is a case involving undocumented migrants who allegedly signed a waiver and agreed to the trip. The filing does not include the widespread claims of kidnapping and human trafficking made by Democratic politicians and some legal experts. Cables programs are still claiming that criminal kidnapping charges should be brought after the flight. The lawyers are alleging that the migrants were mislead or defrauded in going to Martha’s Vineyard. The flight is portrayed as “designed and executed a premeditated, fraudulent, and illegal scheme centered on exploiting this vulnerability for the sole purpose of advancing their own personal, financial and political interests.” Gov. DeSantis responded by calling the lawsuit “political theater,” which is ironic given that the flight was clearly designed as precisely that type of political theater. However, most of these claims are highly dubious and will require substantially more factual support to survive a threshold challenge. The first challenge will be to show that the waiver was secured by trick or fraud. The consent form – available in English and Spanish – states: “I agree to hold the benefactor or its designed representatives harmless of all liability arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination in Massachusetts.” Most of the claims are barely defined, let alone supported. https://jonathanturley.org/2022/09/21/three-martha-vineyard-migrants-file-lawsuit-against-desantis/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 They're just pissed that their border incompetence/fraud and hypocrisy is being exposed for all the country to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Gov. DeSantis responded by calling the lawsuit “political theater,” which is ironic given that the flight was clearly designed as precisely that type of political theater. Well there is an election in 6 weeks so all this makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 LOL. Media Revives ‘DeSantis is Worse Than Trump’ Narrative After Martha’s Vineyard Hysteria. https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/09/media-revives-desantis-is-worse-than-trump-narrative-after-marthas-vineyard-hysteria/ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Florida's DeSantis traverses the U.S. as 2024 White House talk advances (msn.com) He ostensibly made the trip to stump for a fellow Republican. But introduced as "America's governor," DeSantis' one-hour speech sounded like a presidential-style campaign address heavy on his Florida track record. The audience of hundreds roared with approval, especially when he referenced the Martha's Vineyard flights of migrants he choreographed last week to protest the immigration policies of President Joe Biden's administration. “He’s not backing down, and that’s one of the things I appreciate about him,” said Bill Burns, 60, of Olathe. DeSantis' stop in America's heartland was part of a series of events that have taken him to such states as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin as he builds a national profile and donor base. His actions have led to speculation that should he win a second term as governor in November, he will quickly pivot to a 2024 bid for the Republican presidential nomination. DeSantis, 44, became the national face of resistance to COVID-19 mask and vaccine mandates. He has taken the lead on hot-button cultural issues such as the teaching of race relations and gender identity in public schools. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-s-desantis-traverses-the-u-s-as-2024-white-house-talk-advances/ar-AA12798R?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=fbedc40385a046e192d7fc957e6b2d0b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 13 hours ago, B-Man said: LOL. Media Revives ‘DeSantis is Worse Than Trump’ Narrative After Martha’s Vineyard Hysteria. https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/09/media-revives-desantis-is-worse-than-trump-narrative-after-marthas-vineyard-hysteria/ . While Trump has lived in the Liberals heads 24-7-365 I think they are now realizing that DeSantis will be the Republican nominee for 2024. Watch after the midterms they shift their focus to DeSanits especially if the Republicans do well this Nov. DeSantis has shined a big spotlight on Liberal hypocrisy with their sanctuary state BS. Martha's Vineyard proved that they don't want them here either. Liberals hate him for doing that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Greg S said: While Trump has lived in the Liberals heads 24-7-365 I think they are now realizing that DeSantis will be the Republican nominee for 2024. Watch after the midterms they shift their focus to DeSanits especially if the Republicans do well this Nov. DeSantis has shined a big spotlight on Liberal hypocrisy with their sanctuary state BS. Martha's Vineyard proved that they don't want them here either. Liberals hate him for doing that. They've been going after him for years now, knowing he's the future of the party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, Doc said: They've been going after him for years now, knowing he's the future of the party. They will go after him even more after the midterms. Once he comes the Republican nominee you won't here Liberals mention Trump anymore. If they do it will be once in a while and not a 24-7-365 thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 She's been tossed around as a VP. Good lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 He's criticizing the Dems as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Make America Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Doc said: He's criticizing the Dems as well. But he is criticizing DeSantis and Abbott first and foremost. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Make America Florida Don’t say GAY - do your gay family members know how much you hate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Megyn Kelly Says Top Republican Told Her Trump Isn’t Running In 2024 Because ‘He’s Too Worried About Losing’ Will Delay Announcing Due to Legal Fees Megyn Kelly revealed an inside source who once worked at the Republican National Committee believes former President Donald Trump won’t be running in 2024. “He said he would never declare anyway, because as soon as he declares, like right? If he were to declare tomorrow, on the chance that he is gonna run again the RNC could no longer pay his legal bills,” Kelly said. “They couldn’t support him with his legal bills because the RNC has to stay neutral. So they can’t be funding one guy’s legal bills. So that — that I thought that was kind of interesting that like, Trump will have to delay if he’s going to announce that he’s running as long as humanly possible, cause he’s got a lot of legal bills, but it was this guy’s strong belief that he will not run again, that he’s too worried about losing,” Kelly concluded. https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/megyn-kelly-says-top-republican-told-her-trump-isnt-running-in-2024-because-of-legal-fees-hes-too-worried-about-losing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Don’t say GAY - do your gay family members know how much you hate them? The ones in kindergarten - 3rd grade? Edited September 23, 2022 by Tenhigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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716er Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 How much federal money will Florida get after they get smashed by Ian? Perhaps Ron can traffic the hurricane to another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, 716er said: How much federal money will Florida get after they get smashed by Ian? Perhaps Ron can traffic the hurricane to another state. Man-made disaster versus natural one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Man-made disaster versus natural one... True. Ron first kidnapped the migrants from Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, 716er said: True. Ron first kidnapped the migrants from Texas. More new definitions for things: "kidnapped." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, 716er said: How much federal money will Florida get after they get smashed by Ian? Perhaps Ron can traffic the hurricane to another state. Send it here Ron. We need the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Will Xi Q DeSantis ignore this like the Nazis in his state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, BillStime said: Will Xi Q DeSantis ignore this like the Nazis in his state? How f'd up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: DeSantis Looks More Presidential Than Biden in Lead-Up to Hurricane. “It’s classless and unprofessional for the White House to ignore DeSantis during a time like this. Calling up the three mayors who are in harm’s way while ignoring DeSantis is just childish grade school posturing though. There’s a time and a place for everything, and the Biden administration always manages to hit the wrong note.” https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2022/09/28/the-morning-briefing-desantis-looks-more-presidential-than-biden-in-lead-up-to-hurricane-n1632792 .. Xi Q DeSantis is already blaming BIDEN and the hurricane hasn't even hit the mainland yet... Maybe if Xi wasn't playing musical chairs with immigrants from Texas... he would have been more prepared? Meanwhile, Biden proactively declared a State of Emergency this past weekend. The SIMPS are already out defending their SAVIOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, B-Man said: DeSantis Looks More Presidential Than Biden in Lead-Up to Hurricane. “It’s classless and unprofessional for the White House to ignore DeSantis during a time like this. Calling up the three mayors who are in harm’s way while ignoring DeSantis is just childish grade school posturing though. There’s a time and a place for everything, and the Biden administration always manages to hit the wrong note.” https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2022/09/28/the-morning-briefing-desantis-looks-more-presidential-than-biden-in-lead-up-to-hurricane-n1632792 "An adult in the room." More like a guy who wears adult diapers in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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