YoloinOhio Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: No McVay no Shanahan😂😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 At least their graphic says 'best'. Two years ago Gore into the pile on third down gave an entirely different meaning to 'offensive play caller'. * Jeebus! Some people are never happy. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Andy should be first TBH he is the only one that made average QBs successful. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 9, 2021 Author Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Daboll really had a great 2020. Hopefully he fine tunes the offense and adds in new parts to the system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 How is lafleur #1? He lost the NFC title game when he elected for a FG. He’s an idiot 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Wasn't their a thread/topic saying he was on the hotseat going into last season? Gruden at 4 did he really have that good of a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: No McVay no Shanahan😂😂 Whether or not it is deserved, on field production is a factor in such ratings. Both McVay and Shanahan had off seasons for their offenses, more because of QB issues than anything to do with scheme or offensive play calling. QB changes this year for both may change how they're rated next year at this time. The loss of Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, will likely know Matt LaFleur off the top of the heap if that happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: How is lafleur #1? He lost the NFC title game when he elected for a FG. He’s an idiot 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: How is lafleur #1? He lost the NFC title game when he elected for a FG. He’s an idiot 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: How is lafleur #1? He lost the NFC title game when he elected for a FG. He’s an idiot I'd put Reid #1 ahead of Daboll. Then everyone else after 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Reid has to be #1 IMO. Then again remember these lists are designed to be click bait and discussed on forums. And we took the bait. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Why, the best playcaller in the game per PFF. Jon Gruden? Really? I'm now thinking Daboll has to improve to get out of second place. I want him as far down the chart as possible. Damn, I thought baseball sabermetric guys were insufferable, snarky a-holes but they got nothing on the nerds at PFF. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Gruden!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Not just based on last season, I’d go Reid then Shanahan. Mcvay, lafluer, Daboll, Arthur smith should be among the next best imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) agree - Reid is a hall-of-fame coach based on his offensive play-calling alone...nice to see Daboll mentioned in that company,,,Gruden ?1?!..have to wonder if he was not grossly overpaid would he have been canned already and taking a gap year before deciding which broadcasting gig to polish a chair with his behind in...Joe Brady..one year in the league and already top 5 ? sorry PFF but Sean McVay and Sean Payton have proven over several years as OC, HCs, and having their coords become HCs that they are top offensive minds...and Shanahan gets to prove that as well with a new qb to mold... Edited June 9, 2021 by First Round Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 There's a difference between "play caller" and "play designer." Not sure I love Daboll's play-calling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Obviously, they are not following the TBD game day threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, CSBill said: Obviously, they are not following the TBD game day threads. Health insurance probably does not cover the mental damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: No McVay no Shanahan😂😂 they both blew it bad against the patties in their superbowls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 PFF sucks --- wait, what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said: Whether or not it is deserved, on field production is a factor in such ratings. Both McVay and Shanahan had off seasons for their offenses, more because of QB issues than anything to do with scheme or offensive play calling. QB changes this year for both may change how they're rated next year at this time. The loss of Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, will likely know Matt LaFleur off the top of the heap if that happens.. I wouldn't have McVay top 5. He has definitely been worked out as a playcaller and while at times he has found some adjustments he gets away from them and falls into his predictable habits. I have said it before but I feel like Tony Romo watching Rams games because I can predict the play call so often. Shanahan on the other hand is still a great playcaller who was hamstrung by his QB situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2nd best play caller, 12th best qb (speculating on where they rank allen). Allen is holding daboll back! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wouldn't have McVay top 5. He has definitely been worked out as a playcaller and while at times he has found some adjustments he gets away from them and falls into his predictable habits. I have said it before but I feel like Tony Romo watching Rams games because I can predict the play call so often. Shanahan on the other hand is still a great playcaller who was hamstrung by his QB situation. This is all based off last year's points totals scored Green Bay first Buff second Kc third And so on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: where would than Supra be crambone! Gotta a guitar string nephew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: How dare you make me bleed my own blood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Whether or not it is deserved, on field production is a factor in such ratings. Both McVay and Shanahan had off seasons for their offenses, more because of QB issues than anything to do with scheme or offensive play calling. QB changes this year for both may change how they're rated next year at this time. The loss of Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, will likely know Matt LaFleur off the top of the heap if that happens.. Both those guys get production from mediocre QB play. Daboll and LaFleur would be lucky to still have jobs if not for Allen and Rodgers imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: How is lafleur #1? He lost the NFC title game when he elected for a FG. He’s an idiot That made it a special teams call and was not eligible for PFF scoring 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Reid and Payton should be in their own tier at 1 and 2. Daboll definitely propelled himself into the top 5 though. I’ve never seen a Bills OC scheme guys wide open like Daboll did last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Last year Daboll did a good job in getting guys open. Hopefully it continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Reid and Payton should be in their own tier at 1 and 2. Daboll definitely propelled himself into the top 5 though. I’ve never seen a Bills OC scheme guys wide open like Daboll did last year. Daboll has great schemes. The playcalling at times is a bit disturbing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Daboll has great schemes. The playcalling at times is a bit disturbing. This would require a much deeper dive - - but I think at times, Allen is making the call based on his pre snap read and he’s making the wrong one. A few times in the playoffs they ran the ball when it made no sense and didn’t work and he looked upset with himself. That’s not to say he doesn’t make the right call to when he has the option but those just stood out to me. Daboll does a great job game planning against specific schemes and defenders. I do think he gets too cute at times. No need to go for the record of # of TDs to different players when it involves throwing the ball to Taiwan Jones in the end zone and it could have been literally anyone else who we know can catch the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 hours ago, MJS said: Gruden!? Personally not a Gruden fan. How he could be ahead of Greg Roman is confusing to me. Roman actually had to create something rather unique. Hopeful it’s not long lasting, but more clever than Gruden. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 40 minutes ago, billsherd said: Last year Daboll did a good job in getting guys open. Hopefully it continues. And the year before that. Daboll definitely is a great offensive mind. Allen is by far the most talented QB he's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 To me with PFF's historic dislike of Allen, this is a backhanded compliment. I am NOT saying Daboll isn't an awesome play caller, but I actually think too much attention has been paid to Allen growing as a QB and not enough attention has been paid to Daboll growing as a play caller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 PFF writes these thing to incite people...not be accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Uhhhh hard no on Daboll @ #2.....we like him...well maybe some don't. But no way is he #2 in the league. Both KC games demonstrate that. Without a doubt Reid is #1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 18 hours ago, maddenboy said: There's a difference between "play caller" and "play designer." Not sure I love Daboll's play-calling. Agree a lot with first sentence. Too easy to second guess with second. Overall I liked Dabolls play calling a lot last year. Sometimes good play calls don’t work and bad ones do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Agree a lot with first sentence. Too easy to second guess with second. Overall I liked Dabolls play calling a lot last year. Sometimes good play calls don’t work and bad ones do. one of the jobs of a play caller is to not call plays that, while sexy, you know the team cant execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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