BillsMafi$ Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/09/nfl-mailbag-swap-patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-chiefs-bills Edited June 9, 2021 by BillsMafi$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, BillsMafi$ said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/09/nfl-mailbag-swap-patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-chiefs-bills 95 days until the regular season. Just shoot me now. 4 1 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Are we going to do the Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes debate for the next 15 years? They are both great QB's. Pat Mahomes has more super bowls and more MVP trophies. If Josh gets one of either, we can start comparing. Until then, just enjoy the ride. Do we really have to have a short-man complex about even our good players? 9 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Is this a real question? Even if the QB position is considered a wash the Chiefs offense is significantly better. Much better TE, better RBs, slightly better OL. WR group is close where Hill is more explosive and Diggs is more productive. KC also has better team speed and coaching offensively as well IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 The Chiefs have more elite talent on offense for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, MJS said: The Chiefs have more elite talent on offense for sure. Yeah. The Bills may have ascending talent (I agree), but the Chefs easily had the better established talent last year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 To me, the big difference on the Chiefs offense is Kelsey. He is so elite, and gives any QB a huge target on any down. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Don’t really care - I love Josh and can’t stand Mahomes. I will take Josh 100 times out of 100. I don’t care who is better - it is about having our guy and that is all I am concerned with. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Chiefs. They have better overall weapons. The two qbs are a lot closer than most people think IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, jkeerie said: To me, the big difference on the Chiefs offense is Kelsey. He is so elite, and gives any QB a huge target on any down. Agree, I actually think people overrate KC receivers. They have Hill, along with some guys who Mahomes has made look good. I prefer our wideouts. Kelce is the wildcard because the insane mismatch he provides. Any QB would be helped immensely by having Kelce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Isn't this just part of the larger conversation here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, jkeerie said: To me, the big difference on the Chiefs offense is Kelsey. He is so elite, and gives any QB a huge target on any down. Yeah, I think we are really ceding the Chiefs the offensive talent a bit fast. I'd say Mahomes is ahead of Allen, but how Hill/Hardman/Robinson/whoever is 4 that much better than Diggs/Sanders/Beasley/Davis. As down as we are on Singletary, his first year numbers were close to Edwards-Helaire's and Singletary's YPC were actually way higher. Singletary's numbers this year weren't that far behind. The Chefs O-Line is better names-wise but it's a mostly new line, but we'll see how it goes and PFF (not exactly Bills-friendly territory) rated our line as above average in both run (barely), pass (by a decent margin). Kelce really is the only reason I might put KC ahead. As a team, they've played better than we have recently and clearly (and with no mitigating circumstances) have played us like they are the better team. Hopefully, the third season of both our teams being contenders will have us catching up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: Don’t really care - I love Josh and can’t stand Mahomes. I will take Josh 100 times out of 100. I don’t care who is better - it is about having our guy and that is all I am concerned with. Why would anyone hate on Mahomes? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Agree, I actually think people overrate KC receivers. They have Hill, along with some guys who Mahomes has made look good. I prefer our wideouts. Kelce is the wildcard because the insane mismatch he provides. Any QB would be helped immensely by having Kelce. When you have a generational talent at Tight End and generational speed on the outside as one of the leagues best deep threats... that's going to open up your Offense to a whole other level. Nobody else in the league has a duo close to Kelce/Hill. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Rhetorical: Who would you take our current roster including qb with Kelsey or the chiefs current with Knox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 95 days until the regular season. Just shoot me now. Did someone say "95"? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Why would anyone hate on Mahomes? Clearly knowing him and hanging out with him for a considerable amount of time. 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 95 days until the regular season. Just shoot me now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: RABBIT Season! OFFseason! RABBIT Season! OFFseason! RABBIT Season! OFFseason! OFFseason! .... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: Why would anyone hate on Mahomes? Because, as of now, Mahomes is better edit: for the record. It’s one of the reasons I hate him. “Hate” being a rather strong word, I’d rather use strongly dislike. I know how much the bills winning a super bowl means to me and he stands in the way of that. I believe that we’ll win at least one SB with Allen.....but if we don’t, Mahomes will likely be one of the reasons. There have been several great teams that didn’t win a championship due to the greatness of one player. I believe Mahomes might be good enough to be that guy. another reason I strongly dislike him: Josh talks a lot of smack....but I don’t think he would do something like this if he were in Mahomes position. Bad character move on his part imo. Really rubbed me the wrong way Edited June 9, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: Why would anyone hate on Mahomes? Wait! Are we done hating Brady? He just won a SB at age 68 for Pete's sake😵 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 This has been done to the point of nauseum. People have to stop posting just to post. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Because, as of now, Mahomes is better edit: for the record. It’s one of the reasons I hate him. “Hate” being a rather strong word, I’d rather use strongly dislike. I know how much the bills winning a super bowl means to me and he stands in the way of that. I believe that we’ll win at least one SB with Allen.....but if we don’t, Mahomes will likely be one of the reasons. There have been several great teams that didn’t win a championship due to the greatness of one player. I believe Mahomes might be good enough to be that guy. another reason I strongly dislike him: Josh talks a lot of smack....but I don’t think he would do something like this if he were in Mahomes position. Bad character move on his part imo. Really rubbed me the wrong way This bothers me more than it should, but when he's scrambling and stuff, his helmet looks like it's 3 sizes too big for some reason. Josh just looks a lot more elegant when he does those things and his helmet size is appropriate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boxcar said: This bothers me more than it should, but when he's scrambling and stuff, his helmet looks like it's 3 sizes too big for some reason. Josh just looks a lot more elegant when he does those things and his helmet size is appropriate. Haha! Well put. I see it the same way. Our guy is a bigger badass for sure. Would love to see them put on the gloves! If a YouTuber can make 50M+ fighting mayweather, these guys could make 100M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Because, as of now, Mahomes is better edit: for the record. It’s one of the reasons I hate him. “Hate” being a rather strong word, I’d rather use strongly dislike. I know how much the bills winning a super bowl means to me and he stands in the way of that. I believe that we’ll win at least one SB with Allen.....but if we don’t, Mahomes will likely be one of the reasons. There have been several great teams that didn’t win a championship due to the greatness of one player. I believe Mahomes might be good enough to be that guy. another reason I strongly dislike him: Josh talks a lot of smack....but I don’t think he would do something like this if he were in Mahomes position. Bad character move on his part imo. Really rubbed me the wrong way I would politely disagree, Josh is a huge smack talker. He would do it and be having fun with it, not necessarily trying to be an Ahole. I suspect Mahomes was doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said: I would politely disagree, Josh is a huge smack talker. He would do it and be having fun with it, not necessarily trying to be an Ahole. I suspect Mahomes was doing the same. There’s talking smack and then there’s disrespecting. Putting one down to prop one up. Agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Rigotz said: Are we going to do the Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes debate for the next 15 years? Man, I hope so, because it means the Bills are in for a lot of good football. If it's still being debated in 15 years Josh will have won his share of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Don’t really care - I love Josh and can’t stand Mahomes. I will take Josh 100 times out of 100. I don’t care who is better - it is about having our guy and that is all I am concerned with. I love both of 'em. I mean, I love our guy more than the guy who beat us, but that's what makes it great: we will get him next time. I'm a Bills fan, but I'm first and foremost a fan. This is a great time to be both a Bills fan and a fan in general. Two fantastic talents. It's Marino and Kelly. It's Peyton and Brady. Enjoy it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Why don't we just swap TE's and call it a day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 95 days until the regular season. Just shoot me now. Can we just block this thread know Hole Molly At best this is the 21 thread a out Patrick Who cares we have Josh Close the curtain 21 years from Know we can relive this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I didn’t think it was possible to hate Mahomes, who knew. As a 45 year Bills fan, I prefer Mahomes over Allen, but think the discussion is already old and tired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, eee1776 said: This has been done to the point of nauseum. People have to stop posting just to post. You have to consider the source.🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rigotz said: Are we going to do the Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes debate for the next 15 years? They are both great QB's. Pat Mahomes has more super bowls and more MVP trophies. If Josh gets one of either, we can start comparing. Until then, just enjoy the ride. Do we really have to have a short-man complex about even our good players? Well, short people, you know…. Damn prejudiced people… Edited June 9, 2021 by machine gun kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Why would anyone hate on Mahomes? Because the Bills didnt draft him. Not Mahomes fault. KC got their guy, we ended up getting ours. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Rigotz said: Are we going to do the Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes debate for the next 15 years? To me, the debate is over, we got our guy and he is a perfect fit for this city/team. That being said, yes, we will hear it for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 95 days until the regular season. Just shoot me now. Having nothing to talk about this year can be seen as a good thing. No news is good news this time of year, just ask the 49ers. OK, that’s my best glass half full take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) Let's not forget that KC HC Andy Reid took a 2-14 team and went 11-5 in his first season 2013...this with Alex Smith at QB. The next four seasons the Chiefs were in the playoffs 2013-2017. Patrick Mahomes got to sit for a season watching Alex Smith play while learning. He started for an already good playoff team with a good run game, good receiving corps, good O line along with great coaching. Andy Reid has been building and refining that team for eight seasons and has been to the playoffs 7 of those 8 seasons. I think Josh Allen is the better QB who has had to deal with a not so great team around him in his first seasons. While being thrown into that proverbial fire he came out hardened like tungsten carbide. I think the best is yet to come for Allen. Still, a lot will depend on how the offense is called. Bills OC Brian Daboll fell on his face in the playoffs for Buffalo in 2020 IMO. The Bills barely* beat the Colts 27-24 while putting the entire offense on the QB to win with little rushing, 21 rushes for 96 yards. Allen sacked 2x and Colts QB Rivers hardly touched with no sacks. Against the Ravens the Bills won 17-3 and the Bills offense scored only 10 points this game. Again, with little run game Buffalo 16 rushes for 32 yards. That pick six in the end zone by Buffalo was a 14 point turnaround. The Bills defense carried this game. Meanwhile, KC HC Andy Reid and his assistants rose up to win a SB in 2019 and made it to another in 2020. Huge differential in offensive coaching for the playoffs between these two teams. Edited June 9, 2021 by Nihilarian 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Why would anyone hate on Mahomes? 1. The haircut 2. The voice 3. His girlfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 hours ago, SCBills said: When you have a generational talent at Tight End and generational speed on the outside as one of the leagues best deep threats... that's going to open up your Offense to a whole other level. Nobody else in the league has a duo close to Kelce/Hill. Tampa Bay: Yawn, they didn't seem all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) Let's throw some numbers around. . . . Yards per attempt (career) Trent Edwards: 6.5 Alex Smith: 6.9 Tom Brady: 7.5 Alex Smith's last year in KC: 8.0 Quarterback rating (career) Trent Edwards: 75.5 Alex Smith: 86.9 Tom Brady: 97.3 Alex Smith's last year in KC: 104.7 Riddle me this: if Andy Reid's system and personnel provided this dramatic a boost to Alex Smith's numbers, what kind of boost might Patrick Mahomes be getting? I'd argue that this past season, Josh Allen played at a higher level than Patrick Mahomes. I'd further argue that Allen had the second-best 2020 season of any QB in the NFL, after Aaron Rodgers. If Buffalo and Kansas City were to simply swap their starting quarterbacks, the beneficiary of that trade would be Kansas City. Edited June 10, 2021 by Arm of Harm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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