Brandon Beane on CBS Sports Radio around 2:40pm EST today

[Seasons1992]

Tune in!

[DCbillsfan]

I missed the start of it.

 

Beane said Diggs is a very easy going guy and mild mannered off the field.  Once he's on the field he brings an intensity that is fun too watch.  He and Tre White really go at it in practice.  It raises the intensity of entire practice.

 

Regarding Allen - he wants to be the best.  He's a farm boy, blue collar kid from a blue collar town.  His father told him you're either playing sports or you're on the farm.  He said Allen talks to former QBs regarding getting better.  Tony Romo and Peyton Manning he mentioned.

 

What do you look for in a coach?  Beane said he looks for a CEO, a guy who can see the big picture, a leader, someone who's disciplined.  He talked about McD having leaders in every room who he counts on to give him insight on what the players are thinking.  

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

I missed the start of it.

 

Beane said Diggs is a very easy going guy and mild mannered off the field.  Once he's on the field he brings an intensity that is fun too watch.  He and Tre White really go at it in practice.  It raises the intensity of entire practice.

 

Regarding Allen - he wants to be the best.  He's a farm boy, blue collar kid from a blue collar town.  His father told him you're either playing sports or you're on the farm.  He said Allen talks to former QBs regarding getting better.  Tony Romo and Peyton Manning he mentioned.

 

What do you look for in a coach?  Beane said he looks for a CEO, a guy who can see the big picture, a leader, someone who's disciplined.  He talked about McD having leaders in every room who he counts on to give him insight on what the players are thinking.  

 

It is incredible to think the Bills went from one of the laughingstocks in all of sports and an organization filled with dysfunction and incompetence to one of the best run organizations that is looked at as a blueprint by other teams in the span of 4 years. Nothing short of astounding.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Big Turk

[Punching Bag]

Beane will cut some players who are not-vaccinated if it gets him under a threshold so the Bills can eliminate social distancing rules requiring masks.

 

Of course starters probably will not be cut but if you are a UDFA and you want to (or have already signed) play for Bills you get vaccinated.

 

Rules are probably different for coaches & staff and likely all are vaccinated and not be like Raven's coach which caused them to not being able to use some players in a game.

 

[Don Otreply]

Beane did say that he would cut unvaccinated players for those reasons, I would not hesitate to do the same if I was him. Hell, we beat polio with a lesser quality vaccine, all this humming and hawing concerning this topic is why this will drag on far longer than it otherwise would, as I am want to say, you can lead a horse to water..., 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Beane did say that he would cut unvaccinated players for those reasons, I would not hesitate to do the same if I was him. Hell, we beat polio with a lesser quality vaccine, all this humming and hawing concerning this topic is why this will drag on far longer than it otherwise would, as I am want to say, you can lead a horse to water..., 

Wow im not surprised at this, just surprised to hear it in the media.  Maybe a message to players on the fence

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Wow im not surprised at this, just surprised to hear it in the media.  Maybe a message to players on the fence

 

Message to players on the fence who are uncertain of their roster spots, in response to an arbitrary potential vaccination number set forth by the NFL to strong arm, otherwise healthy athletes, into doing something they may or may not want to do.  

 

Good stuff ::eyeroll::

[AmishRifle]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Beane did say that he would cut unvaccinated players for those reasons, I would not hesitate to do the same if I was him. Hell, we beat polio with a lesser quality vaccine, all this humming and hawing concerning this topic is why this will drag on far longer than it otherwise would, as I am want to say, you can lead a horse to water..., 

You can drown it!

[Buffalo Boy]

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Message to players on the fence who are uncertain of their roster spots, in response to an arbitrary potential vaccination number set forth by the NFL to strong arm, otherwise healthy athletes, into doing something they may or may not want to do.  

 

Good stuff ::eyeroll::

   What is surprising/ not surprising to me is: Of all the potential negative health impacts the average NFL player accepts as the risk of doing business, a vaccination is where some should draw the line?

    It was kind of a “ gotcha” question which he soberly and truthfully answered ( proverbial breath of fresh air). I salute him for saying it and applying a little pressure. This year is ONLY about trying to win our first Super Bowl. Any and all distractions and competitive disadvantages he can eliminate, I’m all for!

[BillsShredder83]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   What is surprising/ not surprising to me is: Of all the potential negative health impacts the average NFL player accepts as the risk of doing business, a vaccination is where some should draw the line?

    It was kind of a “ gotcha” question which he soberly and truthfully answered ( proverbial breath of fresh air). I salute him for saying it and applying a little pressure. This year is ONLY about trying to win our first Super Bowl. Any and all distractions and competitive disadvantages he can eliminate, I’m all for!

I agree, its not like hes doing it for any reason other than competitive advantage, so i get it and approve here. guess im a bit of a hypocrite because the idea of strong arming people into the vaccine is pretty s***y.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   What is surprising/ not surprising to me is: Of all the potential negative health impacts the average NFL player accepts as the risk of doing business, a vaccination is where some should draw the line?

    It was kind of a “ gotcha” question which he soberly and truthfully answered ( proverbial breath of fresh air). I salute him for saying it and applying a little pressure. This year is ONLY about trying to win our first Super Bowl. Any and all distractions and competitive disadvantages he can eliminate, I’m all for!

 

I don't have an issue with what Beane said... his job is to put together a team/organization that is in a position to win.  I do have an issue with the potential framework he will be strong armed into abiding by in order to be in that best position. 

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   What is surprising/ not surprising to me is: Of all the potential negative health impacts the average NFL player accepts as the risk of doing business, a vaccination is where some should draw the line?

    It was kind of a “ gotcha” question which he soberly and truthfully answered ( proverbial breath of fresh air). I salute him for saying it and applying a little pressure. This year is ONLY about trying to win our first Super Bowl. Any and all distractions and competitive disadvantages he can eliminate, I’m all for!

To me, and this is just me, it seems kind of discriminatory. Don't you think? There are rules and regulations against discrimination for many other things which make it illegal. Is this any better? It should be a personal choice whether you do or you don't and not forced onto anyone using manipulation tactics. Simple. 

[Buffalo Boy]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

To me, and this is just me, it seems kind of discriminatory. Don't you think? There are rules and regulations against discrimination for many other things which make it illegal. Is this any better? It should be a personal choice whether you do or you don't and not forced onto anyone using manipulation tactics. Simple. 

   I understand your point .

   I would counter that if the NFL is putting in a “ vaccination ratio” for team then it is actually on the league itself.

    As to arguing the merits of whether it is moral or not, eff it!!!! I selfishly and  knowingly aver that I just want to win a Super Bowl and support anything within the reason to get it accomplished 💪

[BillsShredder83]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

To me, and this is just me, it seems kind of discriminatory. Don't you think? There are rules and regulations against discrimination for many other things which make it illegal. Is this any better? It should be a personal choice whether you do or you don't and not forced onto anyone using manipulation tactics. Simple. 

i wouldnt take a job that tried this, and i agree its wrong.  That said, i want my team to have any advantage they can possibly create, no matter how small, im on board and appreciate the honesty

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   I understand your point .

   I would counter that if the NFL is putting in a “ vaccination ratio” for team then it is actually on the league itself.

    As to arguing the merits of whether it is moral or not, eff it!!!! I selfishly and  knowingly aver that I just want to win a Super Bowl and support anything within the reason to get it accomplished 💪

 

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

i wouldnt take a job that tried this, and i agree its wrong.  That said, i want my team to have any advantage they can possibly create, no matter how small, im on board and appreciate the honesty

I understand what Beane is getting at as well, sort of, but the message it sends is "either you do this or it may cost you your way of making a living" which in my opinion is discrimination. It's trying to manipulate a person to do something they may not do otherwise and takes away the "choice" aspect of it in all of this. I want my team to win too. I've been hoping for a Lombardi for 30+ years now. At the same time, I cannot agree with this stance. If they choose , on their own, to get it then good for them. If they choose, on their own, not to get it good for them. In no way should they be pressured to feel obligated out of fear for their livelihoods. 

2 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

But isn't that like saying, "It's my personal choice to drive drunk. If I die, I die. I should be allowed to do this without discrimination."

 

See what I'm saying? When your "personal choice" can easily affect another person's health, or possibly kill them, should it be a personal choice? Honest question.

The correlation you make is not even close to the situation at hand. This is nothing near in comparison to driving while intoxicated. 

[Cruiserplayer]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Wow im not surprised at this, just surprised to hear it in the media.  Maybe a message to players on the fence

I think McKenzie was a couple of people in front of me today in the covid shot line. I’m not sure though cause the little old lady in front of me was obstructing the view.

[Rochesterfan]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

I understand what Beane is getting at as well, sort of, but the message it sends is "either you do this or it may cost you your way of making a living" which in my opinion is discrimination. It's trying to manipulate a person to do something they may not do otherwise and takes away the "choice" aspect of it in all of this. I want my team to win too. I've been hoping for a Lombardi for 30+ years now. At the same time, I cannot agree with this stance. If they choose , on their own, to get it then good for them. If they choose, on their own, not to get it good for them. In no way should they be pressured to feel obligated out of fear for their livelihoods. 

The correlation you make is not even close to the situation at hand. This is nothing near in comparison to driving while intoxicated. 

 

I know COVID is 5X more likely to kill you than drunk driving and is easier to prevent with a quick shot.

 

Now football related Beane is 100% correct - The coaches, staff, and FO are all getting vaccinated or they can not meet with the players.

 

No reason not to do the same with the players - those that aren’t can not get together with the rest of the team.  Consistent rules with the rest of the staff.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[Buffalo Boy]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

In no way should they be pressured to feel obligated out of fear for their livelihoods. 

    Like Bruce being forced back too soon after a knee injury? Again, I am not saying you are wrong. 
    However, the NFL is built upon players putting their health and personal/ professional well being aside for the sake of the team. It is a fact of life in this game. 
   

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   What is surprising/ not surprising to me is: Of all the potential negative health impacts the average NFL player accepts as the risk of doing business, a vaccination is where some should draw the line?

    It was kind of a “ gotcha” question which he soberly and truthfully answered ( proverbial breath of fresh air). I salute him for saying it and applying a little pressure. This year is ONLY about trying to win our first Super Bowl. Any and all distractions and competitive disadvantages he can eliminate, I’m all for!

Yep The reason he would do it is because he wants to hit the threshold the league has put out there for teams to be able to operate normally. Doubt he judges personally whether anyone chooses to get it or not. He is accountable for running a football team and the league has incentives for percentage of players vaccinated. If his team is under that threshold he’s at a competitive disadvantage ..  plain and simple. 

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

To me, and this is just me, it seems kind of discriminatory. Don't you think? There are rules and regulations against discrimination for many other things which make it illegal. Is this any better? It should be a personal choice whether you do or you don't and not forced onto anyone using manipulation tactics. Simple. 

Personal choice that can impact another person’s health.  Seeing as that’s the case, it seems reasonable to ask people to get vaccinated.  
 

Of course, people can choose not to.  That is their right.  But others will respond with decisions based on that choice that the unvaccinated might not like.  Same way one can say whatever they want to, but there might be consequences depending on the context involved.  In short, one probably won’t be able to have it all.

 

No vaccination may come with no - or lessened - access to live events for those people.   They have to own their choice.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yep The reason he would do it is because he wants to hit the threshold the league has put out there for teams to be able to operate normally. Doubt he judges personally whether anyone chooses to get it or not. He is accountable for running a football team and the league has incentives for percentage of players vaccinated. If his team is under that threshold he’s at a competitive disadvantage ..  plain and simple. 

 

Same thing if a team chooses not to hire a minority coach from another team if that teams gets an additional draft pick especially if in same division or is potentially obstacle to Superbowl.  There are two points of view and not every one will agree with it.  It is like the rule book which is filled with contradictions.

[Rico]

34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yep The reason he would do it is because he wants to hit the threshold the league has put out there for teams to be able to operate normally. Doubt he judges personally whether anyone chooses to get it or not. He is accountable for running a football team and the league has incentives for percentage of players vaccinated. If his team is under that threshold he’s at a competitive disadvantage ..  plain and simple. 

Exactly the way to approach it. I don’t give two ***** one way or the other what anyone chooses to do here, but if it’s going to give my team advantage, then so be it.

[K-9]

If the Bills make it a policy that all personnel needs to be vaccinated, it’s their call. End of story. Good luck to any player or other personnel who would challenge that in court on charges of being “discriminated” against. Non-vaxers are not a protected class. 

[transplantbillsfan]

On 5/5/2021 at 10:04 AM, Limeaid said:

Beane will cut some players who are not-vaccinated if it gets him under a threshold so the Bills can eliminate social distancing rules requiring masks.

 

Of course starters probably will not be cut but if you are a UDFA and you want to (or have already signed) play for Bills you get vaccinated.

 

Rules are probably different for coaches & staff and likely all are vaccinated and not be like Raven's coach which caused them to not being able to use some players in a game.

 

 

Is this something he said or speculation on your part?  And if it's speculation... is it based on something he said?

 

EDIT:  Nevermind... guess he did say it.  Good for him.

Edited May 6, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[strive_for_five_guy]

22 minutes ago, K-9 said:

If the Bills make it a policy that all personnel needs to be vaccinated, it’s their call. End of story. Good luck to any player or other personnel who would challenge that in court on charges of being “discriminated” against. Non-vaxers are not a protected class. 

Smokers in the workplace are discriminated against too!

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    Like Bruce being forced back too soon after a knee injury? Again, I am not saying you are wrong. 
    However, the NFL is built upon players putting their health and personal/ professional well being aside for the sake of the team. It is a fact of life in this game. 
   

Players grew up, trained for, and became NFL athletes, knowing the inherent risk of ligament tears, broken bones and head injury... they didn’t sign up for implied forced vaccination. 
 

There’s a big difference between known risk and unknown risk.   
 

Edited May 6, 2021 by SCBills

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Smokers in the workplace are discriminated against too!

Not really. They just usually have designated areas where they can smoke, are allotted certain breaks to smoke, or they may not even be able to smoke while at work in some instances. They don't lose their jobs on a whim because the company they work for tells them they have to quit and they refuse. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Why is this devolving into "personal choice?"

 

The fact is that the NFL is a private business and therefore can have requirements for vaccinations for their players.  

 

It's already been decided a century ago by the Supreme Court that vaccinations can be mandated, so those of you arguing that this shouldn't be allowed are free to make that argument if you want.  But the simple fact is that it can be allowed.

 

NFL players are essentially at-will employees, anyway.  But they make millions of dollars doing it.  If they want to exercise their personal choice, it's their right to risk their jobs and their millions.

 

I'm glad Beane and the NFL are doing this.

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Players grew up, trained for, and became NFL athletes, knowing the inherent risk of ligament tears, broken bones and head injury... they didn’t sign up for implied forced vaccination. 
 

There’s a big difference between known risk and unknown risk.   
 

 

Then they are free to find another career where their "personal choice" is not infringed upon.

[DCbillsfan]

22 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Then they are free to find another career where their "personal choice" is not infringed upon.

The players could play for an NFL team that doesn't require a vaccination.

 

Requiring vaccinations is hardly new.  Prevalent requirement to work/visit in quite a few areas of the world.  All for the greater good.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

The players could play for an NFL team that doesn't require a vaccination.

 

Requiring vaccinations is hardly new.  Prevalent requirement to work/visit in quite a few areas of the world.  All for the greater good.

I will go out on a limb and assume every nfl team is going to do everything possible to reach the percentage threshold to operate in the most effective fashion. None will “require” it. All will prefer it though, because they are responsible for running a team. So if a player gets cut and isn’t vaxxed, he could get signed by another team that isn’t in danger of not reaching the threshold therefore it’s just the consequence on that player - will need to test every day, wear a mask in the facility and sideline, socially distance in meetings, etc. That could hinder the player and potentially the team. So it is their decision, but in this line of work, that decision can have consequences. It is what it is. 

[DCbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I will go out on a limb and assume every nfl team is going to do everything possible to reach the percentage threshold to operate in the most effective fashion. None will “require” it. All will prefer it though, because they are responsible for running a team. So if a player gets cut and isn’t vaxxed, he could get signed by another team that isn’t in danger of not reaching the threshold therefore it’s just the consequence on that player - will need to test every day, wear a mask in the facility and sideline, socially distance in meetings, etc. That could hinder the player and potentially the team. So it is their decision, but in this line of work, that decision can have consequences. It is what it is. 

I agree 100% with your first sentence.  It may not be required in writing but players may feel compelled to get it to secure roster spot.  Like you say, it is what it is.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Players grew up, trained for, and became NFL athletes, knowing the inherent risk of ligament tears, broken bones and head injury... they didn’t sign up for implied forced vaccination. 
 

There’s a big difference between known risk and unknown risk.   
 

    If you are good with multiple shots of toradol to cover the pain of injury so you can “ gut it out” and play a vaccination shouldn’t be a problem. 
 

 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Smokers in the workplace are discriminated against too!

😄Years ago, when my former company banned smoking inside the building, it helped me quit because I just couldn’t reconcile “why am I standing here freezing my balls off.” 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    If you are good with multiple shots of toradol to cover the pain of injury so you can “ gut it out” and play a vaccination shouldn’t be a problem. 
 

 

Are you an elite athlete in perfect shape?  They know what is going in their body via a toradol shot.   They don’t know if there will be any effects on their body next year, year after, year after etc., from putting this vaccine in them. 
 

Imagine your whole life revolving around being in optimal shape - this virus being of almost no risk to you, and having this, essentially, forced on you because of reasons I won’t get into, as this conversation has decently stayed above the fray. 
 

Edited May 6, 2021 by SCBills

[transplantbillsfan]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Are you an elite athlete in perfect shape?  They know what is going in their body via a toradol shot.   They don’t know if there will be any effects on their body next year, year after, year after etc., from putting this vaccine in them. 
 

Imagine your whole life revolving around being in optimal shape - this virus being of almost no risk to you, and having this, essentially, forced on you because of reasons I won’t get into, as this conversation has decently stayed above the fray. 
 

 

Have you paid attention in particular to all the stories that have come out from retired NFL players?  You honestly think these guys are making choices to get shot up with whatever multitude of things these guys get shot up with understanding the long-term side-effects or repercussions of these shots? 

 

Same thing goes with the NFL's history of concussions among the players.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Players grew up, trained for, and became NFL athletes, knowing the inherent risk of ligament tears, broken bones and head injury... they didn’t sign up for implied forced vaccination. 
 

There’s a big difference between known risk and unknown risk.   
 

The risks associated with a Covid infection is well known. 
 

After over 1.3 billion vaccine doses administered worldwide, any inherent risk of being vaccinated barely registers. 

[North Buffalo]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Not really. They just usually have designated areas where they can smoke, are allotted certain breaks to smoke, or they may not even be able to smoke while at work in some instances. They don't lose their jobs on a whim because the company they work for tells them they have to quit and they refuse. 

In a hospital setting they can unless on property not at hospital

[K-9]

1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said:

A vaccinated person develops antibodies to fight off the virus.  That is all.  It does not protect others who aren't vaccinated.

Vaccinating people, which prevents them from contracting the virus and spreading it to others, is the very definition of protecting others who aren’t vaccinated. 

[Chandler#81]

53 minutes ago, K-9 said:

😄Years ago, when my former company banned smoking inside the building, it helped me quit because I just couldn’t reconcile “why am I standing here freezing my balls off.” 

So, THAT’s what happened!?

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

So, THAT’s what happened!?

Yep, and then the first wife just cut ‘em off, said I wouldn’t be needing them anymore, and that was that.