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16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Right.   I think in his mind, Beane got great value twice.   I followed the draft this year even less than in previous years, so I don't know anything about the DEs taken in the first round, but I think this:  If your team needs to improve - like you're trying to get better so you can get to the playoffs, or if your team is seriously in need of a DE for some other reason, you're not jumping at the chance to take Rousseau, because he's a bigger gamble than some other guys on the board.  It's not clear exactly what Rousseau is - he has great upside, but what exactly is he?  There are some guys who are more plug-and-play ready, you know what you're getting.   And Basham is in the discussion with those guys in terms of plug-and-play, but he's maybe a notch below them.   

 

Beane has a more solid roster than most teams, so when Rousseau falls to him, he's pumped, because he has the luxury of a solid roster and of already being a solid playoff team.   His team can afford to take some time figuring out what Rousseau is.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - I might see Watt, someone else might see Mario Williams, Calais Campbell's been mentioned, JPP, whatever.  What Beane things he's getting is one of those, or someone at that level, and that's a good thing.  

 

Then Basham comes along and yes, Beane's ready to trade out of the second round until Basham keeps dropping.  Beane didn't take Basham because he thinks Rousseau will bust; he took him because he was too good to pass up.  If he ends up with two starting defensive ends three years from now, well, that's a nice problem to have.   

I don’t necessarily disagree but if Beane was sure in what he had with Rousseau I can’t see him making the Basham pick when you also factor in Epenesa last year.  If all 3 of them hit, Beane isn’t gonna be able to sign them all to a 2nd contract.  Seems like it was a pick 3 and hope at least 1 or 2 hits deal .  My guess is if Beane knew Basham was gonna be there at pick 61, he would’ve picked a DB at pick 30.   

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That is EXACTLY the right approach with a pick at 30.  Take the high upside athlete at a premium position.  

I trust this front office.   That’s all I got.

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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t necessarily disagree but if Beane was sure in what he had with Rousseau I can’t see him making the Basham pick when you also factor in Epenesa last year.  If all 3 of them hit, Beane isn’t gonna be able to sign them all to a 2nd contract.  Seems like it was a pick 3 and hope at least 1 or 2 hits deal .  My guess is if Beane knew Basham was gonna be there at pick 61, he would’ve picked a DB at pick 30.   

Pardon me for being blunt about it, but you have to realize that Beane takes the best player available in the early rounds.   He isn't looking his roster.   (Now, of course, if the BPA is a QB, Beane's not taking him.)   

 

If the BPA at 30 had been a corner, Beane would have taken him and probably hoped that one of Rousseau or Basham fell to him in the second round.   He may even have tried to trade up.   But Beane said that the corners they liked always were gone before their pick came.  

 

What Beane said was that Rousseau was his BPA at 30 - and happily filled a need, and Basham was a clear BPA in the next round, and he plays a "premium position."  In essence, he said maybe you can have too many good punters, but you can't have too many good defensive ends.  

 

I hear what you're saying about Epenesa and all, and the answer is that McDermott and Beane don't care.   They want the best talent they can get, and they'll figure out what to do with it.  Who knows what's going to happen?  Maybe Rousseau turns into a tackle and they trade Oliver.   Or they trade Epenesa.   Or one of them has a career-altering injury.   McBeane aren't concerned about that today (even though it confuses you and me).  They just aren't.   Take the best players you can get and figure out what to do with them later.  

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5 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

JFC. You can’t be serious 

Actually I need to backtrack on that.

 

I honest did not realize that Mario Williams was approaching the 300 pound mark as a playing weight........I think our bambi is probably going to be more of a JPP type weight.

 

I think they are going to get him with a strength and nutrition guy and he will probably play 20 to 30 pounds heavier then he did in college eventually.......but that will not approach Mario Williams.

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I never heard of Rosseau until his name was announced at the Bills pick but i do have faith in McBeane & company ! Greg seems like a Bills type of player though just from the little bit i've heard from him .

 

Some comparisons have been made to Maybin but from the minute Maybins name was mentioned at the draft he just looked less than enthused and it seemed as if he was acting just going through the motions Rosseau is not that way at all !! 

 

I put i don't know fr my vote but i sure do hope he turns out to be all they think he can be and his production can be close to what he did in his 1 really good yr at Miami because if he can be that guy they got one hell of a good player !! 

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2 hours ago, T master said:

I never heard of Rosseau until his name was announced at the Bills pick but i do have faith in McBeane & company ! Greg seems like a Bills type of player though just from the little bit i've heard from him .

 

Some comparisons have been made to Maybin but from the minute Maybins name was mentioned at the draft he just looked less than enthused and it seemed as if he was acting just going through the motions Rosseau is not that way at all !! 

 

I put i don't know fr my vote but i sure do hope he turns out to be all they think he can be and his production can be close to what he did in his 1 really good yr at Miami because if he can be that guy they got one hell of a good player !! 

The comp is Cilias Campbell.  Same school similar size, similar measurables.  Covid 19 allowed a player like Rousseau to fall.  As a redshirt freshman first time playing de got 15.5 sacks.  If he had 1/2 that production last year he is a top 20 pick.  

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50 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

The comp is Cilias Campbell.  Same school similar size, similar measurables.  Covid 19 allowed a player like Rousseau to fall.  As a redshirt freshman first time playing de got 15.5 sacks.  If he had 1/2 that production last year he is a top 20 pick.  


while I would love this to be true, I don’t really see it. Rousseau played at about 246 and Calais played at close to 290. Even with a full year of bulking, Greg was about 25 lighter on draft day. Maybe Greg can grow into his body, but Calais was an much bigger as a draft prospect. 

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23 minutes ago, nbbillsfan said:


while I would love this to be true, I don’t really see it. Rousseau played at about 246 and Calais played at close to 290. Even with a full year of bulking, Greg was about 25 lighter on draft day. Maybe Greg can grow into his body, but Calais was an much bigger as a draft prospect. 

I mean, I was 215 in the military, and I'm 250 now, so it CAN happen!

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2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

The comp is Cilias Campbell.  Same school similar size, similar measurables.  Covid 19 allowed a player like Rousseau to fall.  As a redshirt freshman first time playing de got 15.5 sacks.  If he had 1/2 that production last year he is a top 20 pick.  

I don’t see the comp to Campbell other than school.  They aren’t even close to the same type of player 

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1 hour ago, nbbillsfan said:


while I would love this to be true, I don’t really see it. Rousseau played at about 246 and Calais played at close to 290. Even with a full year of bulking, Greg was about 25 lighter on draft day. Maybe Greg can grow into his body, but Calais was an much bigger as a draft prospect. 

 

 

The comparison has some to do with the school and some with their measurables being similar(like their relatively unimpressive 30" vertical leaps) but I think it's also that they were both kinda' slept on in the draft process.

 

Early in Campbell's college career there was a lot of speculation that he could be a top 5 overall pick.   When he hit the draft process the talking heads were running him down and you'd regularly see him mocked as an afterthought in the 4th or 5th round.    When Arizona selected him in round 2 the attitude from most was "too rich for my blood".

 

The story is similar with Rousseau.   First impression was great.........and people have been trying to talk themselves out of it since.

 

Campbell ended up playing in the 3-4 which muted his production but people in the NFL knew how good he was.   Then when he went to Jacksonville late in his career and was turned loose he put up big numbers despite not being a twitchy, quick edge.   

 

Campbell is more powerful,  but Rousseau's length is more functional.   His hands are almost 2" larger than Campbell and those have been Rousseau's calling card.    He makes plays on the ball and tackles people from unexpected angles..........they function well with his "GPS" as Beane calls it........a knack for finding the football and getting to it.

 

I think he has a chance to be a big stat producer,  even if it isn't pretty.    And that said,  he's very inexperienced.   Maybe they can develop him more as a pure edge rusher as well.   I was impressed by some of the work they did with the relatively stiff AJ Epenesa last year.

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10 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t necessarily disagree but if Beane was sure in what he had with Rousseau I can’t see him making the Basham pick when you also factor in Epenesa last year.  If all 3 of them hit, Beane isn’t gonna be able to sign them all to a 2nd contract.  Seems like it was a pick 3 and hope at least 1 or 2 hits deal .  My guess is if Beane knew Basham was gonna be there at pick 61, he would’ve picked a DB at pick 30.   

 

If all of them hit, then we will have at least 3 years of good/great production from each, which is by itself great. Then we will decide which one or two are the best and keep them and let the third one go for comp pick. I think it would be an amazing problem to have.

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On 5/1/2021 at 8:46 PM, White Linen said:

 

Way too broad of an apology.  No where near the same type of player and not drafted near each other.   There's little to compare to have any rational discussion about them but if you want to compare players we drafted 12 years apart, have fun.


You are way too sensitive man lol. Way to overblow the tiniest thing & get defensive about it. Maybe re-read my original post & realize I never once insulted the guy. I'm sorry if he's your dad or something.

On 5/2/2021 at 7:13 AM, Don Otreply said:

Look at the crew that drafted Maybin..., that pretty much says it all, 

 

The crew that drafted Maybin was a bunch of dolts. I'm not worried in the slightest.

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4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

If all of them hit, then we will have at least 3 years of good/great production from each, which is by itself great. Then we will decide which one or two are the best and keep them and let the third one go for comp pick. I think it would be an amazing problem to have.

I don’t know.  I mean you gotta admit Oliver, Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham is a bit over-kill in terms of high draft picks on the D-Line the last 3 years.  There’s far worse positions to be using that kind of draft capital on, but just seems like we could get old at WR and DB rather quickly.  

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4 hours ago, BigDingus said:


You are way too sensitive man lol. Way to overblow the tiniest thing & get defensive about it. Maybe re-read my original post & realize I never once insulted the guy. I'm sorry if he's your dad or something.

 

The crew that drafted Maybin was a bunch of dolts. I'm not worried in the slightest.

Nor should anyone be, 

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14 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Pardon me for being blunt about it, but you have to realize that Beane takes the best player available in the early rounds.   He isn't looking his roster.   (Now, of course, if the BPA is a QB, Beane's not taking him.)   

 

If the BPA at 30 had been a corner, Beane would have taken him and probably hoped that one of Rousseau or Basham fell to him in the second round.   He may even have tried to trade up.   But Beane said that the corners they liked always were gone before their pick came.  

 

What Beane said was that Rousseau was his BPA at 30 - and happily filled a need, and Basham was a clear BPA in the next round, and he plays a "premium position."  In essence, he said maybe you can have too many good punters, but you can't have too many good defensive ends.  

 

I hear what you're saying about Epenesa and all, and the answer is that McDermott and Beane don't care.   They want the best talent they can get, and they'll figure out what to do with it.  Who knows what's going to happen?  Maybe Rousseau turns into a tackle and they trade Oliver.   Or they trade Epenesa.   Or one of them has a career-altering injury.   McBeane aren't concerned about that today (even though it confuses you and me).  They just aren't.   Take the best players you can get and figure out what to do with them later.  

I think the BPA angle gets simplified and thrown around too much without context.  There are many different ways to define BPA wrt drafting.  Ability, upside, floor, positional value, scarcity, risk, FA replacement cost, need, scheme fit, etc., etc.  There is almost never a clear cut winner across the criteria.  I’m sure that at 30 Beane could’ve justified a number of players as the  “best available”.  Or a trade up or down the board for that matter.

 

The Bills strategy seems pretty clear.  DEs have drawn the largest free agent contracts recently.  Premium position and expensive to get one as a FA so they have loaded up on them in the last two drafts in order to shore up that position and save cap space next season and beyond.  Ditto OT with 3rd & 5th round picks.  The Rousseau pick wasn’t just a matter of “we’re picking 30th and he’s the BPA there, so nothing to do but take him”.  It was definitely more strategy driven.

 

Like a lot of people here I’d have rather had them focus at least somewhat on short term improvement and spread their capital around to other important areas of the team.  I get the plan, but I’m just disappointed by it because I don’t see how it get the Bills over the hump to a championship. 

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16 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Pardon me for being blunt about it, but you have to realize that Beane takes the best player available in the early rounds.   He isn't looking his roster.   (Now, of course, if the BPA is a QB, Beane's not taking him.)   

 

If the BPA at 30 had been a corner, Beane would have taken him and probably hoped that one of Rousseau or Basham fell to him in the second round.   He may even have tried to trade up.   But Beane said that the corners they liked always were gone before their pick came.  

 

What Beane said was that Rousseau was his BPA at 30 - and happily filled a need, and Basham was a clear BPA in the next round, and he plays a "premium position."  In essence, he said maybe you can have too many good punters, but you can't have too many good defensive ends.  

 

I hear what you're saying about Epenesa and all, and the answer is that McDermott and Beane don't care.   They want the best talent they can get, and they'll figure out what to do with it.  Who knows what's going to happen?  Maybe Rousseau turns into a tackle and they trade Oliver.   Or they trade Epenesa.   Or one of them has a career-altering injury.   McBeane aren't concerned about that today (even though it confuses you and me).  They just aren't.   Take the best players you can get and figure out what to do with them later.  

What's great about Rousseau is that he's played effectively as a DT, so he should be able to rotate inside and outside. Hell, he could probably play LB in a pinch, who knows. Guy is a freak.

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3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

The Bills strategy seems pretty clear.  DEs have drawn the largest free agent contracts recently.  Premium position and expensive to get one as a FA so they have loaded up on them in the last two drafts in order to shore up that position and save cap space next season and beyond.  Ditto OT with 3rd & 5th round picks.  The Rousseau pick wasn’t just a matter of “we’re picking 30th and he’s the BPA there, so nothing to do but take him”.  It was definitely more strategy driven.

 

Like a lot of people here I’d have rather had them focus at least somewhat on short term improvement and spread their capital around to other important areas of the team.  I get the plan, but I’m just disappointed by it because I don’t see how it get the Bills over the hump to a championship. 

I was in total agreement with you until you got to the last paragraph.  What would you have liked them to do?  

 

I can understand it a little, I would like to see Ertz come here.  But for the draft the Bills took the bpa in the area of expensive need.  It's how you stay good for a lengthy period of time.

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2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I think the BPA angle gets simplified and thrown around too much without context.  There are many different ways to define BPA wrt drafting.  Ability, upside, floor, positional value, scarcity, risk, FA replacement cost, need, scheme fit, etc., etc.  There is almost never a clear cut winner across the criteria.  I’m sure that at 30 Beane could’ve justified a number of players as the  “best available”.  Or a trade up or down the board for that matter.

 

The Bills strategy seems pretty clear.  DEs have drawn the largest free agent contracts recently.  Premium position and expensive to get one as a FA so they have loaded up on them in the last two drafts in order to shore up that position and save cap space next season and beyond.  Ditto OT with 3rd & 5th round picks.  The Rousseau pick wasn’t just a matter of “we’re picking 30th and he’s the BPA there, so nothing to do but take him”.  It was definitely more strategy driven.

 

Like a lot of people here I’d have rather had them focus at least somewhat on short term improvement and spread their capital around to other important areas of the team.  I get the plan, but I’m just disappointed by it because I don’t see how it get the Bills over the hump to a championship. 

I think is a pretty fair, if overly broad, statement.  They grade each player and rank them, and in the first couple of rounds, they take the guy they graded highest, regardless of whether any one thinks the Bills "need" someone at that position.   Clearly, that was the case with Basham.  No reasonable person would think that the Bills "needed" a defensive end with Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, and Rousseau on board.  The Basham pick had nothing to do with short-term improvement, what you say you wanted.  And that was exactly my point - Beane has said over and over again that he does not use the early round draft picks for "need," or for "short-term-improvement."   So, I get that people may criticize this or other drafts for failing to fill "needs" in the early rounds, but from my point of view of that's a pointless complaint.  We all know that's not how Beane is going to operate.   It's the equivalent of complaining that the Bills team colors should be orange and black - they aren't, and there's nothing to be done about it. 

 

As for whether Beane's is the right strategy, I think it is.  I say this often - the game is more about coaching and less about talent than many fans think.  McBeane's strategy is acquire the best talent in the aggregate and let the coaches figure out how to deploy it.   Your strategy is to have the best talent possible at each position.   Well, so long as his corner backs, for example, can play up to some standard, McDermott doesn't care all that much how high over that standard any particular corner back is.  Sure, he wants the best players he can get at the position, but if the guys he has are good enough, he knows that the success or failure of the defense will ride on how well the coaches scheme, teach the scheme, and get the players to execute that scheme.   The execution of the scheme depends less on talent and more on brains and determination than most fans think.   In other words, McBeane care about having impact players, but where they have those impact players in the lineup is less important than we the fans tend to think.  

 

I do think you're correct, however, in that the definition of BPA is broader than most people (including me, and that's why I find your post informative) generally think and that position and need enter into that ranking.   No matter how talented the guy is, a punter is not going to be the BPA because of his position, and no matter how talented the guy is, a QB is not going to be the BPA for the Bills because of lack of need.   But as I just said, Basham's position on the Bills' big board did not change after the Rousseau pick.  His position vis a vis other players on the board didn't change.  Need may have been a factor in determining his rank on the board, but his rank didn't change. 

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1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I was in total agreement with you until you got to the last paragraph.  What would you have liked them to do?  

 

I can understand it a little, I would like to see Ertz come here.  But for the draft the Bills took the bpa in the area of expensive need.  It's how you stay good for a lengthy period of time.

Dunno, maybe select a CB, speed WR, 1 Tech or even a TE that could contribute this season - even if it meant maneuvering in the draft a bit (nothing extravagant).  Or they could’ve selected some other needed depth position like center so we have someone in the pipeline that can take over for Morse this season if/when Morse has another concussion or (more hopefully) next season.  Instead we probably will be shuffling the line and/or looking for a center next offseason.  We don’t have much in the way of CBs on contract after this season either.  We could use more help there this season and in the immediate future.  I expected more from the draft than a couple DEs who will be developing for next season and two longer term projects at OT.  That’s what I feel like we got. 

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