CB/LB/DE/DT

[Milanos Milano]

I’m not sure who we will take at 30, or even if we will trade up or down. Part of me wants a DE at 30, but the talent doesn’t really seem to stand out at 30. I would kind of like to see a CB#2 , and think there will be a lot of talent available. I also think we be smart to take a LB that can cover TEs, seeming how we struggled with them during the season. Really the only LB that sticks out to be is JOK, but I think we would have to trade up for him. 

 

I really like Newsome and Farley, but I haven’t heard their names associated with scouting much. Supposedly we like Ifeatu, but I wouldn’t draft him at 30. 

 

What direction do you feel we go with for 30? 

I really like Bobby Brown and Shelvin, and wouldn’t mind picking them up in the 3rd round, I feel they provide good value at that pick. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I largely agree with your needs. 

 

I think we can get better on the Offensive Line. Cody Ford has been a near bust thus far, Morse has been ok as a high priced FA. But the interior can be improved. 

 

I think Defensive Line is a candidate for selection. Butler is ok (had a nice Ravens game), Oliver has been a disappointment, Star L is near the end of the line at that money, and Phillips is average. Age is the story at DE, because Hughes is 32, Addison is 33, going to 33 and 34 respectively by the time football season rolls around, and after those two its Johnson and Epenesa. No world beaters. 

 

And cornerback, its been Levi Wallace holding down the fort as the #2, while rotating in Josh Norman, EJ Gaines, Kevin Johnson, Vontae Davis type players. 

 

Running back is not a straight shot IMO. You've spent two 3rd Rounders on guys, signed Breida, and now are going to draft another? And we're sure Etienne is miles better than guys that fall out of the first. At most, 3 running backs will be taken in the 1st? Most likely 2. 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[teef]

cb, de, and/or bpa.

[DrDawkinstein]

BPA

[B-Man]

 

Big strong Linebacker please.

 

There's no such thing as too many.

 

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I largely agree with your needs. 

 

I think we can get better on the Offensive Line. Cody Ford has been a near bust thus, Morse has been ok as a high priced FA. But the interior can be improved. 

 

I think Defensive Line is a candidate for selection. Butler is ok (had a nice Ravens game), Oliver has been a disappointment, Star L is near the end of the line at that money, and Phillips is average. Age is the story at DE, because Hughes is 32, Addison is 33, going to 33 and 34 respectively by the time football season rolls around, and after those two its Johnson and Epenesa. No world beaters. 

 

And cornerback, its been Levi Wallace holding down the fort as the #2, while rotating in Josh Norman, EJ Gaines, Kevin Johnson, Vontae Davis type players. 

 

Running back is not a straight shot IMO. You've spent two 3rd Rounders on guys, signed Breida, and now are going to draft another? And we're sure Etienne is miles better than guys that fall out of the first. At most, 3 running backs will be taken in the 1st? Most likely 2. 

 

 

For me it’s all about who can contribute the most with pick 30 or a trade up. Who helps us more, a LB that can cover Kelce. A CB #2 that can help lock down most threats during the whole season opposite of Tre. A Olineman that can help open up the run game a little more , or a DE/DL that can get after that QB. 

 

Personally I think a CB#2 and DE are the best option, but I don’t like Oweh and a few others at 30. I think good top end CB talent exist and would bring us the best value at 30. I think DL talent is there to be had in the later rounds like Bobby Brown and Shelvin. I’m not really sure I like taking a RB at 30, but if Beane feels like that helps this team more, than so be it I guess. 

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Big strong Linebacker please.

 

There's no such thing as too many.

 

 

 

 

I only like JOK in the first round, and I think we would have to trade up. I’d be ok for trading up for him, he would help us with TEs. 

6 minutes ago, teef said:

cb, de, and/or bpa.

 

What DE would you take at 30? Rousseau? 

[Milanos Milano]

Who would you guys rather have later in the draft. Bobby Brown or Shelvin? 

[SoCal Deek]

I rarely do this...but...did we REALLY need yet another thread on the same topic?  Really?

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I rarely do this...but...did we REALLY need yet another thread on the same topic?  Really?

 

No, and I know I’m guilty this time. Rarely will I start a similar thread topic. But I wanted a specific thread for actual pick discussion, most of the others have some vague discussion about RBs, or who they think Beane will pick with the 30 pick. I just want to discuss this on the main page and not in the college football thread. It’s draft day tomorrow after all. If mods want to merge it, fine I won’t be mad. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

My favorite possibilities are a CB2 or Vera-Tucker if he's there. 

[teef]

16 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

What DE would you take at 30? Rousseau? 

in all honestly, i have no real grip on who is who in the lower part of the first.  i'm not sure if there's anyone of value at those positions, but those are the spots i hope bpa is hovering around.  hey...if rb is the bpa, so be it too.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

No, and I know I’m guilty this time. Rarely will I start a similar thread topic. But I wanted a specific thread for actual pick discussion, most of the others have some vague discussion about RBs, or who they think Beane will pick with the 30 pick. I just want to discuss this on the main page and not in the college football thread. It’s draft day tomorrow after all. If mods want to merge it, fine I won’t be mad. 

Ha! No worries dude. We've clearly reached Draft Day Eve.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said:

My favorite possibilities are a CB2 or Vera-Tucker if he's there. 

 

Who are some of your CB2 choices? 

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! No worries dude. We've clearly reached Draft Day Eve.

 

It’s like a holiday for me, I’m ready. Can’t wait to sit down and just chill and enjoy the draft days. 

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

in all honestly, i have no real grip on who is who in the lower part of the first.  i'm not sure if there's anyone of value at those positions, but those are the spots i hope bpa is hovering around.  hey...if rb is the bpa, so be it too.

 

I don’t mind if we go DE with 30, but I’m just not sure if decent 1st round talent will be there with DEs. We will probably have the Choice of Oweh, Rousseau. I don’t think Phillips will fall to 30. I don’t really like Oweh, so our choices are kind of limited. 

[whorlnut]

42 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m not sure who we will take at 30, or even if we will trade up or down. Part of me wants a DE at 30, but the talent doesn’t really seem to stand out at 30. I would kind of like to see a CB#2 , and think there will be a lot of talent available. I also think we be smart to take a LB that can cover TEs, seeming how we struggled with them during the season. Really the only LB that sticks out to be is JOK, but I think we would have to trade up for him. 

 

I really like Newsome and Farley, but I haven’t heard their names associated with scouting much. Supposedly we like Ifeatu, but I wouldn’t draft him at 30. 

 

What direction do you feel we go with for 30? 

I really like Bobby Brown and Shelvin, and wouldn’t mind picking them up in the 3rd round, I feel they provide good value at that pick. 

Offensive weapon. 

[US Egg]

Since it was openly asked, I assume:

 

Big kid DE from WF.

[colin]

im pretty flexible because unlike w josh allen i don't have as strong an opinion on this draft, but in terms of max value for the team, i have to think a CB who fits us well falling to 30, followed by a big nasty 1 tech, and then TE, OG, and edge (no order on that) is max improvement to our team.

 

all our losses seemed to have one thing in common, instead of stopping the big plays (we were tops in the nfl stopping big passes, bad at stopping big runs) we allowed them, and sometimes in bunches (the near melt down vs the colts is an example).

 

on O, production from RB or TE (both of which may need better blocking) is really what will improve an already great O.  on D, our bend but don't break style works as long as it doesn't actually break.  an upgrade at the last line of defense means it gets very hard for passers to make decisions, instead of just avoiding tre.

 

also, aside from RB i think CB translates soonest from college to pros

[Nextmanup]

TRADE DOWN for more picks.

 

Emphasis on Offense, not defense.

 

Our problems don't lie with defense.

They lie with our offense not being lethal enough, as good as it is.

 

The path to the Super Bowl is to make a team that will get its 30 points no matter who they play or when, and then the other team has to come up with 31 if they want to win.

Those are the teams that do all the winning, with a few exceptions over the last 30 years.

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

11 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Offensive weapon. 

 

RB or WR? While I would be ok with either Moore, Etienne, or Harris , is it worth the 30 pick? After all we already have Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and Davis. For some reason 1st round RBs seem overextend their value. Maybe that’s because I feel duped by the Spiller pick. I won’t be mad if we get a Moore. 

[Nester]

RB1 or RB2 if still around at 30

 

 

/duck. 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Nester said:

RB1 or RB2 if still around at 30

 

 

/duck. 

 

Who would you rather have Etienne or Harris? 

[TFBillsfan]

First time in very long time this is about who is the best player AND need with the 30th pick. IMO, there is no doubt DE is our biggest need, but I’m not sure the talent will be there at 30. CB should have a talented player available but will they truly be an upgrade over Levi? CB depth is always beneficial but we truly need a run stuffer on the Dline and someone that can consistently win one on one battles to get to the QB. Still major questions surrounding Star for me. If it’s a D selection, I’d predict CB with the pick based upon the talent available.

On offense,  a reliable playmaking TE would be a huge add (would be very open to trading for Ertz with a later round draft pick),  We need more playmakers on offense. I won’t lose sleep if the Bills go RB with the 30th pick. Much different than using a top ten pick on RB. Holistically, a running game that the D has to account for opens up the O even more. Singletary and Moss are nice backs but neither has shown they can be the featured back. If the pick is offense, RB, IOL, or WR would be in play.

 

Will be interesting to see what they do.

 

LETS GO BUFFALO!

 

 

[Nester]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Who would you rather have Etienne or Harris? 

 

I am really struggling with this. Last week it was Etienne for another pass option for Josh , now i am lean towards Harris for the pure power and speed. 

 

Who is the better blocker? - I would be thrilled with either. 

 

 

 

Why i want a RB over Defense? (would be happy with a star CB don't get me wrong, but i don't think the ones i like will be there at 30) 

 

I want a huge threat on the ground that makes defenses hedge. I think if they hedge, Josh with Diggs and Beasley will destroy teams in the air, more so than last year. 

 

 

 

 

[whorlnut]

9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

RB or WR? While I would be ok with either Moore, Etienne, or Harris , is it worth the 30 pick? After all we already have Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and Davis. For some reason 1st round RBs seem overextend their value. Maybe that’s because I feel duped by the Spiller pick. I won’t be mad if we get a Moore. 

I would LOVE Moore. But I think first round RBs are getting a bad rap. Etienne is compared by many to Alvin Kamara. I think any team in the league would take a guy like that on their team.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

First time in very long time this is about who is the best player AND need with the 30th pick. IMO, there is no doubt DE is our biggest need, but I’m not sure the talent will be there at 30. CB should have a talented player available but will they truly be an upgrade over Levi? CB depth is always beneficial but we truly need a run stuffer on the Dline and someone that can consistently win one on one battles to get to the QB. Still major questions surrounding Star for me. If it’s a D selection, I’d predict CB with the pick based upon the talent available.

On offense,  a reliable playmaking TE would be a huge add (would be very open to trading for Ertz with a later round draft pick),  We need more playmakers on offense. I won’t lose sleep if the Bills go RB with the 30th pick. Much different than using a top ten pick on RB. Holistically, a running game that the D has to account for opens up the O even more. Singletary and Moss are nice backs but neither has shown they can be the featured back. If the pick is offense, RB, IOL, or WR would be in play.

 

Will be interesting to see what they do.

 

LETS GO BUFFALO!

 

 

 

I think this a very fair assessment and it’s generally on the lines of my current thinking. Right now we have Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and Davis. Sanders is on a 1 year contract and Beasley isn’t getting any younger. If we are trying to plan for the future, I could see a WR being a pick at 30 , especially give how dynamic both the Moores are. That would help fill in the long term slot receiver for when eventually Beasley leaves. I could also see Etienne or Harris being the pick, as you pointed out, it would help diversify the offense and help prevent teams from keying on one dimension. I think if we are to take a RB, we definitely need to take the better pass catcher, and I think Etienne gets the nod over Harris in that regard. I would be perfectly fine trading a late round pick for Ertz, and I don’t see a round 3-7 TE being able to bring what Ertz can bring, with maybe the exception of the Miami U TE. CB is really top heavy this year, and I feel a really good CB2 can be had. So many directions we could take this year, I’m not sure what direction we choose. 

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

I would LOVE Moore. But I think first round RBs are getting a bad rap. Etienne is compared by many to Alvin Kamara. I think any team in the league would take a guy like that on their team.

 

I won’t pout if we take Etienne at 30, I just don’t want to trade up for a RB. I do like his talent abilities, so I won’t be mad if he is the choice. There are so many directions we could go with this year. I’m actually really excited about it. Moore is just electric, so is Etienne though. I trust Beane to make the right decision. 

[glazeduck]

I've settled into the perspective of just not wanting us to botch the pick. 

 

I have my favorites (Phillips/Farley/Newsome/Paye in a trade up, Ossai/Oweh/either Moore in a trade back, JOK/Harris/Etienne if we stay put), but at this point, I think it's just about making a good pick.

 

I don't want guys with limited upside (Asante Samuel Jr./Basham/Toney), guys who are weird scheme fits without rearranging other deck chairs (Barmore/Ojulari [torn on him]/Jamin Davis/Collins/really any OL)

 

Don't screw it up, I'll be at least mildly satisfied.

[Milanos Milano]

Let’s go Buffalo!!!!! Come on draft just get here already lol 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

36 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Who are some of your CB2 choices? 

I really haven’t scouted (if you’ll allow me to

abuse that term) much this year, so this is really just me parroting others, but it seems like the names I’ve heard the most for 30 are Newsome, Farley, and Stokes.
 

Injury concerns for the first two, but if that makes them slide and the team likes the medicals enough (big if), then it would seem to be good value. 

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I really haven’t scouted (if you’ll allow me to

abuse that term) much this year, so this is really just me parroting others, but it seems like the names I’ve heard the most for 30 are Newsome, Farley, and Stokes.
 

Injury concerns for the first two, but if that makes them slide and the team likes the medicals enough (big if), then it would seem to be good value. 

 

Everyone is scared of Farley back injury, but I’m not concerned at all. I’d be a lot more concerned if it was a knee issue. I would be happy with Newsome or Farley. Not sold on Asante yet. 

[MJS]

I'm just going to sit back, relax, and enjoy it. Whoever the Bills take, I'll just watch some highlight videos and listen to the media reactions and not worry one bit.

 

Unless it's a punter...

[JohnBonhamRocks]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Everyone is scared of Farley back injury, but I’m not concerned at all. I’d be a lot more concerned if it was a knee issue. I would be happy with Newsome or Farley. Not sold on Asante yet. 

 

Seems like most mocks I see have Samuel gone (along w/ Horn) by the time we pick. 

[1ManRaid]

57 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! No worries dude. We've clearly reached Draft Day Eve.

 

I can't wait till the weekend when all these "a thought popped into my head and it needs its own thread" can take a break.  Like I appreciate the enthusiasm for a big event, but mehhh...

 

Well, after the customary 101 threads on which undrafted rookies we need to pick up who will carry us to the Super Bowl of course.

[Milanos Milano]

7 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

Seems like most mocks I see have Samuel gone (along w/ Horn) by the time we pick. 

 

Yeah Horn will be long gone, not sure on Samuel though, he might be available when we pick. At this point though, would we rather have Samuel or Moores/Etienne? 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Yeah Horn will be long gone, not sure on Samuel though, he might be available when we pick. At this point though, would we rather have Samuel or Moores/Etienne? 

 

If the players available are closely graded, then I would hope we can go OL, DE, or CB.

 

Don't feel the value is there at 30 for the offensive playmakers. 

[Milanos Milano]

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

For me it’s all about who can contribute the most with pick 30 or a trade up. Who helps us more, a LB that can cover Kelce. A CB #2 that can help lock down most threats during the whole season opposite of Tre. A Olineman that can help open up the run game a little more , or a DE/DL that can get after that QB. 

 

Personally I think a CB#2 and DE are the best option, but I don’t like Oweh and a few others at 30. I think good top end CB talent exist and would bring us the best value at 30. I think DL talent is there to be had in the later rounds like Bobby Brown and Shelvin. I’m not really sure I like taking a RB at 30, but if Beane feels like that helps this team more, than so be it I guess. 

 

I only like JOK in the first round, and I think we would have to trade up. I’d be ok for trading up for him, he would help us with TEs. 

 

What DE would you take at 30? Rousseau? 

I think looking at who contributes most immediately is too short-sighted.  They are trying to build a sustainable contender here and I am on board with that philosophy.  Others may prefer “all-in now” approach, but not me.  Too many things, including one key injury can derail that approach.

 

I would be OK with future plays, players who might not be huge contributors in 21, but have a good chance to be big contributors in 22 and beyond.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think looking at who contributes most immediately is too short-sighted.  They are trying to build a sustainable contender here and I am on board with that philosophy.  Others may prefer “all-in now” approach, but not me.  Too many things, including one key injury can derail that approach.

 

I would be OK with future plays, players who might not be huge contributors in 21, but have a good chance to be big contributors in 22 and beyond.

 

What players in your mind fit that mold? 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

RB or WR? While I would be ok with either Moore, Etienne, or Harris , is it worth the 30 pick? After all we already have Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and Davis. For some reason 1st round RBs seem overextend their value. Maybe that’s because I feel duped by the Spiller pick. I won’t be mad if we get a Moore. 

Diggs, Beasley, Sanders and Davis is a Top 5 WR unit, but only Diggs truly scares anyone.   
 

KC has Hill & Kelce terrorizing, plus a talented OL and surrounding cast of WR’s/RB’s.  
 

If a guy is there that can strike fear into opposing defenses, take him.   
 

Etienne, Toney and Moore come to mind.  
 

Edited April 28, 2021 by SCBills

[OldTimer1960]

35 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

What players in your mind fit that mold? 

I think many could fit that description.  Several of the DEs like Oweh and Tryon are in that category.  Most of the CBs after Surtain, Newsome and Horn also fit.  Really, any high upside guy who might need a year to blossom -or- a nearly finished product who might have to sit behind a vet this year.  
 

Guys with tons of wear and tear at RB like Etienne and Harris don’t fit that description as they may contribute early, they likely fade/breakdown in 3-4 years at the latest.

 

Just my view, but I would prefer long-term thinking.

[TBBills]

I believe they will move up... For a defensive player and not RB.