GoBills! Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 He seems a better slot guy than brown. So We have Diggs and Davis going deep with Sanders and Beasley running underneath. I personally didn’t want him this year as his 34, rather find some younger talent so I hope it’s in the 4.5-5.5 million range max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said: The never has been who went to two Pro Bowls and won a Super Bowl? Pro Bowls? Really? You mean, “I know that guy’s name contests”? Oh and Blaine Gabbert just won a SB too, so I suppose he’s a better QB than Allen too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Uhhh this isn’t actually true... Time period is 2017-2020 because Samuel came into the league in 2017... it looks even worse for you if I add 2016... Sanders 245/3018/16 12.3 Y/R and he played 55/65 possible games (played in 17 regular season games in 2019 according to PFR) Fuller 162/2475/22 15.2 Y/R and played in 39/64 games Samuel 185/2087/14 11.3 Y/R and played in 53/64 possible games @DCofNC Edited March 17, 2021 by JGMcD2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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78thealltimegreat Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Uhhh this isn’t actually true... shh don’t ruin his narrative Sanders was the Saints leading receiver last year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Going to be sincerely pissed if Fuller or Samuel sign for similar money and we miss out for a 34yr old, never has been. This blows my mind. A 34 year old "never has been" Seriously. You're describing Emmanuel Sanders as a "34 yr old never has been" Two Superbowl appearances, One Win Three straight >1000 yd seasons, including one of 1400 yds and one with Trevor Siemian throwing to him If that's "Never Has Been", I'm IN I get the long-in -the-tooth concern, but he still racked up 726 yds on 82 targets with a 74.4% catch % last year with the Ghost of Brees and Taysom Hill at QB I also get the "he was never a Superstar" and "he had those good years as #2 to Demaryius Thomas as a strong #1. Well, Hey Y'all look up the Bills depth chart. 4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Time period is 2017-2020 Sanders 245/3018/16 Fuller 162/2475/22 Samuel 185/2087/14 @DCofNC Shh, he's on a roll. Don't Hassle him with your Facts, Jack 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Now if we could actually run the ball against light boxes 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Now if we could actually run the ball against light boxes 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Well statistically they have both out performed Sanders in virtually every way since they entered the league vs what he has done in the same time frame.. Time period is 2017-2020 because Samuel came into the league in 2017... it looks even worse for you if I add 2016... Sanders 245/3018/16 12.3 Y/R and he played 55/65 possible games (played in 17 regular season games in 2019 according to PFR) Fuller 162/2475/22 15.2 Y/R and played in 39/64 games Samuel 185/2087/14 11.3 Y/R and played in 53/64 possible games I am double posting because I want everyone to see exactly what you said here @DCofNC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Has Josh Allen? Oh, so by your logic, Blaine Gabbert is better because he has a ring. Dude, take the "L" and quit while you're only this far behind. Using an analogy between a starting QB and Blaine Gabbert is Football Board Godwin's Law 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Now if we could actually run the ball against light boxes 😳 Najee can 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Great they have filled Browns slot in Sanders , they still need to sign Mackenzie speed kills ,also would like them to sign a flyer , and draft another Rb either with size or exceptional quickness. Their screen game was not good last year. They will miss Lee’s leadership but they have to get more production out of TE . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Well statistically they have both out performed Sanders in virtually every way since they entered the league vs what he has done in the same time frame.. Dawson Knox has better hands than Agholor. Sanders had a 1400 yard receiving year his 5th season. Fuller and Moore haven't topped 1000 yards yet in any given season. Sanders might not be in his athletic prime like Samuels or Fuller but has a better track record IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Najee can So can Etienne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Something they don't mention, but that opposing DCs most def. bear in mind is that the Bills don't have an empty backfield in a 4 WR set....if they manage to lock all receivers down tight, Allen might get his Wheels on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Ha I didn't see that, but he is right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: So can Etienne Sometimes - I admit to mainly l watching him against Ohio state the last two years but he could not run the ball against them. And that was a light box for sure. As a receiver out of the backfield though, different story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: I’m sure he’s Cheap and he’s gonna be our 4th. Again not a bad addition. if anyone is upset with this then they are just looking for crap to be miserable about. Nothing earth shattering. Solid little signing. Emmanuel Sanders is a good quality NFL WR. I was stoked when I heard we signed him. The guy is a winner. Good move Mr Beane. Keep it coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Sometimes - I admit to mainly l watching him against Ohio state the last two years but he could not run the ball against them. And that was a light box for sure. As a receiver out of the backfield though, different story. At this point I will take either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I know he’ll probably get 15, 18, 19 or get 10 from Fromm, but dang if this 81 isn’t sexy. #numbersmatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Has Josh Allen? Oh, so by your logic, Blaine Gabbert is better because he has a ring. What does josh Allen have to do with the guys you compared sanders to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 hours ago, r00tabaga said: Cheaper than Smoke? He had better be way cheaper. If Smoke ends up signing somewhere for anywhere near the same as Sanders then it's likely going to be looked at as another Robert Woods type mistake down the road. Unless it was the trainers and docs that felt JB wasn't worth betting on healthwise for some reason, then I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Shanahan on Saunders: I think it illustrates what Beane and the Bills brain trust are probably seeing as gaps in Brown's game that Sanders fills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, GoBills! said: He seems a better slot guy than brown. So We have Diggs and Davis going deep with Sanders and Beasley running underneath. I personally didn’t want him this year as his 34, rather find some younger talent so I hope it’s in the 4.5-5.5 million range max. Brown wasn't a slot guy here, Beasley is. Brown played on the outside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: He had better be way cheaper. If Smoke ends up signing somewhere for anywhere near the same as Sanders then it's likely going to be looked at as another Robert Woods type mistake down the road. Unless it was the trainers and docs that felt JB wasn't worth betting on healthwise for some reason, then I get it. Brown may well sign for less. WR are moving slowly and John Brown isn't making the pundits' lists of top guys still available. I think this past season hurt his value. I don't think this is about $$, it's about having at least two WR who can win against press man coverage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Meh. hoping he is very cheap. 4 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: Whatever. 4 hours ago, babulator said: Pretty underwhelming Thats what i thought and then I watched his highlights He balled in 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Sanders had a 1400 yard receiving year his 5th season. Fuller and Moore haven't topped 1000 yards yet in any given season. Sanders might not be in his athletic prime like Samuels or Fuller but has a better track record IMO. There it is, in his 5th year he did something and it’s been 5 years since he’s broken 1000 yards. Now we have the Bills homers running in to show me that a 10 year vet outperformed a rookie who converted from RB to WR at the NFL level. Oh nooo. You have a speed guy who hasn’t put up jack in terms of YPC vs 2 guys who are just coming into their prime and comparing Fuller to him w Fuller out producing him in 11 games last year.. ohh super star status here. I hate this board, the ratio of rational people to complete Beane homers is 1: 900 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bronxbomber21 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 is Kenny Stills still on the team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said: is Kenny Stills still on the team? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DCofNC said: There it is, in his 5th year he did something and it’s been 5 years since he’s broken 1000 yards. Now we have the Bills homers running in to show me that a 10 year vet outperformed a rookie who converted from RB to WR at the NFL level. Oh nooo. You have a speed guy who hasn’t put up jack in terms of YPC vs 2 guys who are just coming into their prime and comparing Fuller to him w Fuller out producing him in 11 games last year.. ohh super star status here. I hate this board, the ratio of rational people to complete Beane homers is 1: 900 Well statistically they have both out performed Sanders in virtually every way since they entered the league vs what he has done in the same time frame. - DCofNC So now I’m the irrational fan for comparing Samuel and Fuller to Sanders since 2017... because I followed YOUR logic to illustrate YOUR point? Genius... you said that Fuller and Samuel outperformed Sanders in every major statistical category since they entered the league... you were just flat out wrong. It was false... you said something and expected nobody to check you on publicly available information? He hasn’t put up jack in terms of YPC... it looks the same as Samuel? So Samuel is a speed guy who hasn’t put up jack in terms of YPC then too? Fuller our produced him in 11 games... why didn’t he play 5 more? Maybe because he’s an actual injury prone player (playing ~50% of possible games in 4 years)? Oh yeah... that’s it. Nobody said Sanders is a superstar... I sure didn’t... but neither are Fuller or Samuel... that’s the point. YOU made the claim that they outperformed him and failed to back it up. The burden of proof is on YOU... you failed to do prove that. It has nothing to do with being a homer, liking Beane, liking this signing and has everything to do with you making an irresponsible post and expecting people to just believe you. If you hate this board because you’re called out for ***** posts... sorry?? You’ve failed to contribute anything substantive in this thread... it doesn’t seem like you’re part of the solution in making this board better... so don’t gripe about anyone else other than yourself. Edited March 17, 2021 by JGMcD2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think this is about $$, it's about having at least two WR who can win against press man coverage. THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, r00tabaga said: Cheaper than Smoke? Hope so as really enjoyed watching Smoke play. He made an impact when on the field. Edited March 17, 2021 by Mr. Wonderful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) I think anyone who dislikes this is nuts. A young, super expensive FA WR is NOT our biggest need right now. But ESanders!?! Here is what I like about the signing: 1. Really, really smart and crafty player, willing to go off schedule with the QB. 2. Can play slot or run deep routes, has the size and thump to beat man coverage 3. No need to bring him up to speed, I guarantee he comes into camp, ready to go. Ready to add to a (now) veteran team ready to win (now). 3. Diggs, Beasley and Sanders are 3 of the slickest route runners in the league. Add in Gabe Davis, who also has these attributes and its gonna be damn near impossible to cover that group. 4. Good price, one year. Perfect. Can you image if we had an RB who could break a tackle or two on his way through the line? Edited March 17, 2021 by foreboding 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, foreboding said: I think anyone who dislikes this is nuts. A young, super expensive FA is NOT our biggest need right now. But ESanders!?! Here is what I like about the signing: 1. Really, really smart and crafty player, willing to go off schedule with the QB. 2. Can play slot or run deep routes, has the size and thump to beat man coverage 3. No need to bring him up to speed, I guarantee he comes into camp, ready to go. Ready to add to a (now) veteran team ready to win (now). 3. Diggs, Beasley and Sanders are 3 of the slickest route runners in the league. Add in Gabe Davis, who also has these attributes and its gonna be damn near impossible to cover that group. 4. Good price, one year. Perfect. Can you image if we had an RB who could break a tackle or two on his way through the line? Agreed. Our rbs can break tackles on their way to the line. The problem is, they can’t beat Drew Bledsoe in a foot race. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, foreboding said: I think anyone who dislikes this is nuts. A young, super expensive FA is NOT our biggest need right now. But ESanders!?! Here is what I like about the signing: 1. Really, really smart and crafty player, willing to go off schedule with the QB. 2. Can play slot or run deep routes, has the size and thump to beat man coverage 3. No need to bring him up to speed, I guarantee he comes into camp, ready to go. Ready to add to a (now) veteran team ready to win (now). 3. Diggs, Beasley and Sanders are 3 of the slickest route runners in the league. Add in Gabe Davis, who also has these attributes and its gonna be damn near impossible to cover that group. 4. Good price, one year. Perfect. Can you image if we had an RB who could break a tackle or two on his way through the line? Exactly. He’s a rental. Go add a guy in the 5th or 6th that gives you straight line speed and some plus special teams ability and see if he can develop into a route runner / speed option in the future - he won’t want for tutors around here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I wonder if Sanders is going to go back to wearing number 10 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 A couple of years later than I hoped for but glad he is here. He is a vet and will help the offense a lot. Good signing. Now we need a dependable TE and the receiving corps will be one of the top ones in the NFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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