The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

Yes, there is argument there. What you are describing, the Red Mirage, was discussed at length in today’s hearing. It is a phenomena that is well known - early returns will favor republicans and when the mail in ballots are counted, the Dems will gain ground.  Trump was warned to expect this to happen.  He deliberately ignored the warning and begun to claim this was suspicious.  It was expected

Again we agree. The optics were horrible. With everything else the Dems tried to remove a sitting President from office, are you really surprised that anyone thought this was yet just another ‘trick’? You can love or hate Trump all you want, but what he endured from the establishment for four straight years was nothing short of appalling….and while there’s no way to know for sure, I’d take his Team back in the White House tomorrow morning over the current band of completely incompetent nitwits. As others have said: What a Mess!

[Bob in Mich]

22 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Why weren't the paramilitary groups armed? If they really planned to overturn the election results, wouldn't it have made sense for them to bring guns?

Weapons are not needed in some coups.  Research auto coup

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6zjigTxfQ4

 

Edited June 13, 2022 by Bob in Mich

[Andy1]

4 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Why weren't the paramilitary groups armed? If they really planned to overturn the election results, wouldn't it have made sense for them to bring guns?

There were plenty of backpacks that were never searched and handguns may have been concealed. The mob went in and left without checks by law enforcement. So I don’t think we can assume that they weren’t armed. They chose to use tear gas, bear spray, steel clubs and other weapons. Reportedly, they had members outside of DC ready to bring in firearms if needed. DC also has severe laws regarding firearms that may have affected their decisions.

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

There were plenty of backpacks that were never searched and handguns may have been concealed. The mob went in and left without checks by law enforcement. So I don’t think we can assume that they weren’t armed. They chose to use tear gas, bear spray, steel clubs and other weapons. Reportedly, they had members outside of DC ready to bring in firearms if needed. DC also has severe laws regarding firearms that may have affected their decisions.

 

At some point the talking points get a little kooky. These guys are trying to take over the government of a nuclear super power…and they’re worried about DC’s severe fire arms laws? 😂😂😂😂😂 To quote The Big Guy: “Come On Man!”

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

44 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Oh pulease!  I find sometimes folks can’t admit the truth because they are too far dug in for far too long.  I believe your desire to maintain your position has cost you your reasoning skills.  Like I have told you before, you are a nicer guy than most here but you still wear the orange robe of the cult.

 

Trump tried to stay in power when he knew he had lost.  He was trying to disenfranchise millions of Biden voters. Do you recall that conversation with Raffensperger of Georgia?  How in the hell could any American justify that attempt ?  That is at the core of our country.

 

There is no equivalency to legal impeachment proceedings.  Had Trump been convicted, his running mate, Pence would take over.  And quit with the unjust scrutiny angle.  Trump has brought scrutiny on himself

Your limitation is that you don’t consider the perspective of others as a relevant factor in how they view this issue, Bob. I shared factual information from the former Attorney General of the United States, one you suggested folks listen to as a reliable source just a post earlier.  
 

You do not see any of that as being relevant as to how people view the events of 1/6, Bob, and that’s a blind spot for you.  On the other hand, I do.  I also understand your perspective and acknowledge your feelings about Trump, and understand you’ve completely dismissed as standard operating procedure the events to remove him from office under false pretense.  
 

Now,  if the Jan 6 issue was a one and done, out of the blue event undertaken by Trump, absent rather political actions of the Dems for the prior 4 years, I’d probably be agreeing with you.  Moral outrage, holy crap how can this happen, blah blah blah. In this case,  it’s a suckers game. 
 

Georgia?  Politics.  It’s a dirty business.  You know this.  I know this.  Why are we arguing about something we both know to be true? To be honest, it’s one reason people are largely disinterested in the story. 
 

In the end, Bob, I’m not justifying anything at all, it’s simply that my rational, reasoned analysis leads me to conclude that this is the way the game is played.   Again, wish it wasn’t, but it is.   
 

I will say, also, that in spite of your attempt at mockery, I get a lot of compliments when I wear orange.   Something about my personal color wheel, hybrid skin tone and that autumn somehow just works on me.  Other colors on my wheel are blue, red, sea foam green, anything in the purple family, magenta and steel granite metallic if that’s still a thing. 

[Beach]

38 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

There were plenty of backpacks that were never searched and handguns may have been concealed. The mob went in and left without checks by law enforcement. So I don’t think we can assume that they weren’t armed. They chose to use tear gas, bear spray, steel clubs and other weapons. Reportedly, they had members outside of DC ready to bring in firearms if needed. DC also has severe laws regarding firearms that may have affected their decisions.

 

my back pack had water and gummi bears.

[Bob in Mich]

5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Your limitation is that you don’t consider the perspective of others as a relevant factor in how they view this issue, Bob. I shared factual information from the former Attorney General of the United States, one you suggested folks listen to as a reliable source just a post earlier.  
 

You do not see any of that as being relevant as to how people view the events of 1/6, Bob, and that’s a blind spot for you.  On the other hand, I do.  I also understand your perspective and acknowledge your feelings about Trump, and understand you’ve completely dismissed as standard operating procedure the events to remove him from office under false pretense.  
 

Now,  if the Jan 6 issue was a one and done, out of the blue event undertaken by Trump, absent rather political actions of the Dems for the prior 4 years, I’d probably be agreeing with you.  Moral outrage, holy crap how can this happen, blah blah blah. In this case,  it’s a suckers game. 
 

Georgia?  Politics.  It’s a dirty business.  You know this.  I know this.  Why are we arguing about something we both know to be true? To be honest, it’s one reason people are largely disinterested in the story. 
 

In the end, Bob, I’m not justifying anything at all, it’s simply that my rational, reasoned analysis leads me to conclude that this is the way the game is played.   Again, wish it wasn’t, but it is.   
 

I will say, also, that in spite of your attempt at mockery, I get a lot of compliments when I wear orange.   Something about my personal color wheel, hybrid skin tone and that autumn somehow just works on me.  Other colors on my wheel are blue, red, sea foam green, anything in the purple family, magenta and steel granite metallic if that’s still a thing. 

Lenny, seriously?  False pretense?  He committed the acts that he was accused of at the impeachments and an unbiased jury would have had to convict him in both impeachment trials.

 

And don’t claim Bill Barr as anything special.  He was a complete Trump toadie his whole term but when things began to turn illegal he wisely bailed out. Barr is no one I trust.  Having him under oath for these hearings made him significantly more trustworthy though

 

Also, you seem to be all over the place when talking ‘political dirty tricks’.  On one hand the pee tape talk (arguably a dirty trick) crippled Trump and that was unacceptably unfair in your eyes.  On the other hand, if Trump can finagle 12,000 votes out of thin air, well that is just the game and how it is played. I would hope for more ethics all around here too but you are inconsistent here.

 

There are political dirty tricks and there are acts way beyond a trick to the point it becomes a crime.  Trump’s attempts to retain the office started out in the legal arena but when successive attempts failed he took things into the criminal realm, imo.  To claim he was setting things up for the next election cycle has to be called ludicrous.

 

Sorry Len but your blind spots have eclipsed mine

[Tiberius]

21 minutes ago, Beach said:

my back pack had water and gummi bears.

That's a lot of water and gummies 

[Beach]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

That's a lot of water and gummies 

gummi bears.  3 of us there. all day event.

[Tiberius]

 

 

Another big part of all this is the profiting off of ignorance. $250 million raised to "fight the fraud: was actully just passed around. Such a big part of GOP politics today in so many ways. Pump up the ignorant with total lies, and get them to send money to "fight for them." 

1 minute ago, Beach said:

gummi bears.  3 of us there. all day event.

Ya, ok. 

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

Maybe if you drop the cult talk you'll get a more reasonable response, Bob.  Just a thought. 

Ginni Thomas? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

29 minutes ago, Beach said:

my back pack had water and gummi bears.

Wait…gunny bears? 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

At some point the talking points get a little kooky. These guys are trying to take over the government of a nuclear super power…and they’re worried about DC’s severe fire arms laws? 😂😂😂😂😂 To quote The Big Guy: “Come On Man!”

 

It's amazing, no?  No weapons were brought because they wanted to perform an "auto-coup."  Or they were worried about gun laws...but not laws about overthrowing a government.  And they were so intent on overthrowing the government and stopping the certification process...that they didn't see it to completion and ran home before suppertime.  IThe gyrations that need to be undertaken to continue with the "insurrection" fantasy...

Edited June 14, 2022 by Doc

[Irv]

What a mess. 

[Andy1]

Why would peaceful protesters need bear spray, tear gas, steel clubs, zip tie handcuffs? Just wondering. That’s not what I would normally pack when I go to see DC.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Andy1

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

33 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Lenny, seriously?  False pretense?  He committed the acts that he was accused of at the impeachments and an unbiased jury would have had to convict him in both impeachment trials.

 

And don’t claim Bill Barr as anything special.  He was a complete Trump toadie his whole term but when things began to turn illegal he wisely bailed out. Barr is no one I trust.  Having him under oath for these hearings made him significantly more trustworthy though

 

Also, you seem to be all over the place when talking ‘political dirty tricks’.  On one hand the pee tape talk (arguably a dirty trick) crippled Trump and that was unacceptably unfair in your eyes.  On the other hand, if Trump can finagle 12,000 votes out of thin air, well that is just the game and how it is played. I would hope for more ethics all around here too but you are inconsistent here.

 

There are political dirty tricks and there are acts way beyond a trick to the point it becomes a crime.  Trump’s attempts to retain the office started out in the legal arena but when successive attempts failed he took things into the criminal realm, imo.  To claim he was setting things up for the next election cycle has to be called ludicrous.

 

Sorry Len but your blind spots have eclipsed mine

I’m all over the place?   Me? 
 

You went from suggesting people listen to William Barr for clarity to completely disregarding what he has said to referring to him as a Trump Toady in 3 posts.  To make things slightly more confusing, you then doubled back to suggesting the guy you cited as reliable, then cited as completely unreliable, reverted back to reliable when what he says aligns with your bias, with a parting shot that you don’t trust what he says.  
 

Next up, unsubstantiated and somewhat wild accusations of criminality, alleged criminality and some mythical “jury” that would “convict” him.  Given that the hearings are not encumbered by the normal rules of criminal court, I’m not sure what you’re going on about here?  Honestly, Bob, if our criminal system worked like some of these political tribunals, where evidence could be withheld, leaked, ignored and the prosecutor had complete control over the process, I’d be surprised if the conviction rate wasn’t 100%.  Plus, I think that scenario has played out, historically, in certain places and reasonable people think a system rigged in that fashion is not in the public interest. 
 

You’re rapidly becoming the Kama Sutra of this subject Bob.  You started out fine, pedestrian really, but with each page that turns, the positions you take are more and more difficult and a struggle to maintain.  You should have your heart checked, Bob. 

What I’m saying is simple.  Stop the Steal is political campaigning in line with Russiagate.  Sad, but true.  Oh, and yes, I most definitely agree that if Trump prevailed in any of his court challenges, he would have contested the Biden presidency. That would not have been the first time that happened, and it’s not the first time it failed.   I also believe that had the Dems been able to remove Trump from office mid-term—-one way or the other—-they would have done so.
 

  

 

[Tenhigh]

2 hours ago, Andy1 said:

There were plenty of backpacks that were never searched and handguns may have been concealed. The mob went in and left without checks by law enforcement. So I don’t think we can assume that they weren’t armed. They chose to use tear gas, bear spray, steel clubs and other weapons. Reportedly, they had members outside of DC ready to bring in firearms if needed. DC also has severe laws regarding firearms that may have affected their decisions.

 

If they were willing to commit treason punishable by death they probably were not afraid of a misdemeanor gun rap.  Who brings pepper spray to the death of democracy?

2 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Maybe if you drop the cult talk you'll get a more reasonable response, Bob.  Just a thought. 

@Nineforty, what is eye roll-worthy of my post?  Don't you agree that acting civil goes a long way in the world?

[BillStime]

4 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:

Yes, there is argument there. What you are describing, the Red Mirage, was discussed at length in today’s hearing. It is a phenomena that is well known - early returns will favor republicans and when the mail in ballots are counted, the Dems will gain ground.  Trump was warned to expect this to happen.  He deliberately ignored the warning and begun to claim this was suspicious.  It was expected

The Red Mirage was discussed in the media for months leading up to the election.

 

[reddogblitz]

5 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:

Weapons are not needed in some coups.  Research auto coup

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6zjigTxfQ4

 

 

Who is this guy? 

 

I watched the whole thing waiting to hear him explain why it was a dissident coup or whatever and he never did. He rambled on for 11 minutes about how it's not even up for  discussion.  Everybody says it is.   If you don't think so its cuz you just watch movies and are uninformed.

Edited June 14, 2022 by reddogblitz

[Bob in Mich]

6 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Who is this guy? 

 

I watched the whole thing waiting to hear him explain why it was a dissident coup or whatever and he never did. He rambled on for 11 minutes about how it's not even up for  discussion.  Everybody says it is.   If you don't think so its cuz you just watch movies and are uninformed.

Why, this is Beau of course.  Beau has a YouTube channel and comments on current news events.  Of course I don’t agree sometimes but he has pretty good content.  I think his background is military or military intelligence

 

His point was that unquestionably it was a coup.  The classification within coups seems debatable.  

 

To those less educated in coups, it may not appear to be a coup because it did not look like coups that one has seen in movies.  That is because tanks and guns, like in the movie military coups, are unnecessary to retain power in this type of coup

[Coach Tuesday]

The hypocrisy is staggering.

 

”Blue lives matter”… except for the lives of capitol police.

“Law and order”… except to right a wrong.

 

”The Constitution is paramount”… except when Your Guy loses under its rules.

 

Advisor after advisor testifying that the fraud claims were bogus, but Trump “wasn’t interested in the facts.”  
 

This was an attempted coup by a psychotic narcissist.

And Fascist News Channel is hardly covering any of it.

 

[ALF]

William Barr's stunning evolution from Trump loyalist to nemesis

With his salty dismissals of the former President's election fraud lies as "bull####," "crazy," "amateurish" and "total nonsense," 

 

In his testimony aired Monday, Barr complained about "idiotic" allegations that Dominion voting machines had been tampered with and he slammed the latest conservative conspiracy theories contained in the documentary "2000 Mules," which Trump has again falsely claimed shows evidence of fraud.

 

"I thought, 'Boy, if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with -- he's become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,' " he testified.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/politics/bill-barr-donald-trump-january-6-hearing-analysis/index.html

[BillsFanNC]

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The hypocrisy is staggering.

It sure can be. Especially when you bend the truth and plain just make ***** up in order to create your own mirage of staggering hypocrisy. 

 

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

”Blue lives matter”… except for the lives of capitol police.

 0.0 capitol police officers died during the three hour "insurrection"

 

Plenty were assaulted and those responsible should absolutely receive justice, Ray Epps included, but somehow I don't see that happening. .

 

I'm sure the J6 Committee is also looking to speak to those capitol police offices who unlocked and opened doors to allow the "insurrectionists" inside. 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

“Law and order”… except to right a wrong.

 

See protesters allowed to break the law and demonstrate in front of SC justices homes.

 

 

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

”The Constitution is paramount”… except when Your Guy loses under its rules.

 

You mean the multiple states that violated the Constitution by changing voting laws in 2020 by means other than their respective state legislatures?

 

 

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Advisor after advisor testifying that the fraud claims were bogus, but Trump “wasn’t interested in the facts.”  

 

See above and the resulting puking out of ballots and ballot applications everywhere to out of date voter rolls.

 

See previous bipartisan condemnations of universal mail in balloting as an open invitation for corruption. Yet somehow this election turned out to be the most "secure in US history" anyway. 

 

Please. 

 

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

 

This was an attempted coup by a psychotic narcissist.

 

" peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

 

 

The orange menace told people to storm the capitol! Coup! Insurrection! 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

And Fascist News Channel is hardly covering any of it.

 

 

Lol. Because we sure need 9 different channels to choose from to watch this propaganda ***** show.

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

It sure can be. Especially when you bend the truth and plain just make ***** up in order to create your own mirage of staggering hypocrisy. 

 

 0.0 capitol police officers died during the three hour "insurrection"

 

Plenty were assaulted and those responsible should absolutely receive justice, Ray Epps included, but somehow I don't see that happening. .

 

I'm sure the J6 Committee is also looking to speak to those capitol police offices who unlocked and opened doors to allow the "insurrectionists" inside. 

 

 

 

See protesters allowed to break the law and demonstrate in front of SC justices homes.

 

 

 

You mean the multiple states that violated the Constitution by changing voting laws in 2020 by means other than their respective state legislatures?

 

 

 

See above and the resulting puking out of ballots and ballot applications everywhere to out of date voter rolls.

 

See previous bipartisan condemnations of universal mail in balloting as an open invitation for corruption. Yet somehow this election turned out to be the most "secure in US history" anyway. 

 

Please. 

 

 

" peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

 

 

The orange menace told people to storm the capitol! Coup! Insurrection! 

 

 

 

 

Lol. Because we sure need 9 different channels to choose from to watch this propaganda ***** show.

Realllllllllly trying hard to whitewash bro - gotta love it.

 

Sucks when you’re on the wrong side

of EVERY issue.

[BillStime]

14 hours ago, Beach said:

i dont question how many votes there were for Biden.  I question where those votes came from.  Anyway, i didnt come to debate election results, there is no point. I just wanted to tell you what i saw j6.   Biden is president and everything is great.

 

[Tiberius]

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

I'd like Trump to go away because he's the wrong person at the wrong time in 2024.  A victory would mean another 4 year term of Democratic obstruction.  The country will need somebody in the White House, from either party, that is actually committed and capable of pulling everyone and the country together.  That means dumping the fringe ideologues on both extremes of the political spectrum and focusing on the core of American beliefs and values.  Unfortunately for all of us, 1 1/2 years into the term, Biden and his administration have already demonstrated they're not up to that task.  So expect things to do down hill from here until minimum 2024.   

[Tiberius]

 

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'd like Trump to go away because he's the wrong person at the wrong time in 2024.  A victory would mean another 4 year term of Democratic obstruction.  The country will need somebody in the White House, from either party, that is actually committed and capable of pulling everyone and the country together.  That means dumping the fringe ideologues on both extremes of the political spectrum and focusing on the core of American beliefs and values.  Unfortunately for all of us, 1 1/2 years into the term, Biden and his administration have already demonstrated they're not up to that task.  So expect things to do down hill from here until minimum 2024.   

You would still vote for Trump against a Dem thoughn

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

You would still vote for Trump against a Dem thoughn

Believe it or not I did not vote for Trump or Biden or Clinton in the past 2 elections.  It would matter who the Democrat is though in 2024.

Edited June 14, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[Bob in Mich]

This guy spoke after the 2nd impeachment acquittal.  Check out the first few minutes.  After a while he gets into the political weeds of impeachment but the beginning was worthy of a listen.

 

He may help refresh your memory of Jan6-2021

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yxRMoqNnfvw

 

[ALF]

Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
·
His campaign manager knew he lost.
His attorney general knew he lost.
His top advisers knew he lost.
His legal team knew he lost.
His daughter knew he lost.
 
And Trump knew it too.

Dan Rather
@DanRather
·
Funny what people will say when they’re under oath that they didn’t say earlier when it could have made a big difference. Actually, it’s not funny at all. It’s outrageous, a shame that will follow their names into history.

[Wacka]

12 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Why would peaceful protesters need bear spray, tear gas, steel clubs, zip tie handcuffs? Just wondering. That’s not what I would normally pack when I go to see DC.

Never been walking around in Baltimore or DC? I can see needing all of those in any major city in the US. Went to DC in he 80s. A friend who worked on the Mall told me to not leave the mall except to see Ford's Theater. That was about 35 years ago. 

[Chef Jim]

12 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’m all over the place?   Me? 
 

You went from suggesting people listen to William Barr for clarity to completely disregarding what he has said to referring to him as a Trump Toady in 3 posts.  To make things slightly more confusing, you then doubled back to suggesting the guy you cited as reliable, then cited as completely unreliable, reverted back to reliable when what he says aligns with your bias, with a parting shot that you don’t trust what he says.  
 

Next up, unsubstantiated and somewhat wild accusations of criminality, alleged criminality and some mythical “jury” that would “convict” him.  Given that the hearings are not encumbered by the normal rules of criminal court, I’m not sure what you’re going on about here?  Honestly, Bob, if our criminal system worked like some of these political tribunals, where evidence could be withheld, leaked, ignored and the prosecutor had complete control over the process, I’d be surprised if the conviction rate wasn’t 100%.  Plus, I think that scenario has played out, historically, in certain places and reasonable people think a system rigged in that fashion is not in the public interest. 
 

You’re rapidly becoming the Kama Sutra of this subject Bob.  You started out fine, pedestrian really, but with each page that turns, the positions you take are more and more difficult and a struggle to maintain.  You should have your heart checked, Bob. 

What I’m saying is simple.  Stop the Steal is political campaigning in line with Russiagate.  Sad, but true.  Oh, and yes, I most definitely agree that if Trump prevailed in any of his court challenges, he would have contested the Biden presidency. That would not have been the first time that happened, and it’s not the first time it failed.   I also believe that had the Dems been able to remove Trump from office mid-term—-one way or the other—-they would have done so.
 

  

 

He doesn’t need his heart checked. It’s the THC addling his brain.  

[Bob in Mich]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

He doesn’t need his heart checked. It’s the THC addling his brain.  

 

Aw shoot!  We must have made too much noise.  The trolls have found us. Gonna be tougher to have an intelligent discussion with all of the crap flying around.  

Oh well it’s America and I guess trolls are looking for entertainment too

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Aw shoot!  We must have made too much noise.  The trolls have found us. Gonna be tougher to have an intelligent discussion with all of the crap flying around.  

Oh well it’s America and I guess trolls are looking for entertainment too

Ignore function makes a real difference! 

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Aw shoot!  We must have made too much noise.  The trolls have found us. Gonna be tougher to have an intelligent discussion with all of the crap flying around.  

Oh well it’s America and I guess trolls are looking for entertainment too

Lighten up Bob. I speak not in a manner to make fun of you.  That remark came from personal experience. 😎

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Ignore function makes a real difference! 

Sure does.  Of course you won’t see this. 

[B-Man]

 

 

The Jan. 6 committee announced that its hearing set for Wednesday has been postponed

 

The Jan. 6 committee announced Tuesday morning that its hearing set for Wednesday has been postponed. No reason was given.

 

(Excerpt) Read more at https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wednesdays-jan-committee-hearing-postponed/story?id=85381712&cid=social_twitter_abcn

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

J6 Committee’s Own Witness Debunks Claim Of Coordinated Insurrection

by Tristan Justice

 

Last week, the Select Committee on Jan. 6 brought forward a pair of witnesses to testify in the panel’s first prime-time hearing to depict the Capitol riot as a coordinated “insurrection.” Among them was a documentary filmmaker named Nick Quested, who was embedded with the far-right group the “Proud Boys” on the day of the turmoil. Quested gave the committee an eyewitness account of the riot as he followed the Proud Boys throughout the day.(snip) Except Quested did not testify that the Proud Boys attended first as insurrectionists. To the contrary, 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/13/j6-committees-own-witness-debunks-claim-of-coordinated-insurrection/

 

 

 

[Irv]

26 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The Jan. 6 committee announced that its hearing set for Wednesday has been postponed

 

The Jan. 6 committee announced Tuesday morning that its hearing set for Wednesday has been postponed. No reason was given.

 

(Excerpt) Read more at https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wednesdays-jan-committee-hearing-postponed/story?id=85381712&cid=social_twitter_abcn

 

 

 

 

They ran out of ***** to sling that we've already heard 10 times.   What a mess.  

[Bob in Mich]

14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

J6 Committee’s Own Witness Debunks Claim Of Coordinated Insurrection

by Tristan Justice

 

Last week, the Select Committee on Jan. 6 brought forward a pair of witnesses to testify in the panel’s first prime-time hearing to depict the Capitol riot as a coordinated “insurrection.” Among them was a documentary filmmaker named Nick Quested, who was embedded with the far-right group the “Proud Boys” on the day of the turmoil. Quested gave the committee an eyewitness account of the riot as he followed the Proud Boys throughout the day.(snip) Except Quested did not testify that the Proud Boys attended first as insurrectionists. To the contrary, 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/13/j6-committees-own-witness-debunks-claim-of-coordinated-insurrection/

 

 

 

 

Typically I don’t read your posts or articles but was bored enough to check out the link.  Can you tell me how it debunks the idea of a coordinated insurrection?

[B-Man]

5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Typically I don’t read your posts or articles but was bored enough to check out the link.  Can you tell me how it debunks the idea of a coordinated insurrection?

 

 

Typically I don't have to point out the obvious to those who read the articles.

 

 

“Now a central question is whether the attack on the Capitol was coordinated and planned,” said Select Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., while wrapping up questions. “What you witnessed is what a coordinated and planned effort would look like. It was the culmination of a months-long effort spearheaded by President Trump.”

Except Quested did not testify that the Proud Boys attended first as insurrectionists. To the contrary, Quested told NBC’s Chuck Todd on “Meet the Press” Sunday that the group’s leader, Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, was “very receptive” to the documentary crew’s embed.

 

“How did you get Mr. Tarrio and other members of the Proud Boys to say, ‘Yes. Film us. We want this on the record. Document what we’re doing?” Todd asked.

“Well, I had a colleague who gave me Enrique’s phone number and I called him,” Quested said, before going on:

 

He was very receptive to the idea. He liked the film that I had produced called Restrepo with my colleagues Sebastian Junger and Tim Hetherington, which was a film about a deployment of veterans in the Korengal Valley in Afghanistan. So I think the veteran aspect of that was appealing to them.

 

The leader of a group plotting a coordinated insurrection would normally be hard-pressed to allow a documentarian to film it, let alone be receptive to an embed.

 

 

 

Now, you can disagree with that interpretation of course, but "pretending" that you couldn't see it was dishonest.

 

 

 

 

There was also a link to this often ignored fact. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/