Watson vs Allen.

[JerseyBills]

Not looking good🙁

[FireChans]

35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

What was your point here again? Oh wait

 

...

 

 

 

I'd recommend spending less time feeling embarrassed by other people's opinions, personally.

 

 

Yeah, my point stands. Watson is a great QB. If you can’t see that, it’s on you

[Patrick Duffy]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, my point stands. Watson is a great QB. If you can’t see that, it’s on you

Not speaking for the poster you quoted, but I think most ppl know Watson is a good QB. I believe he was saying he's not as great/good without Hopkins and that he's not as good as Allen. 

 

But I mean most QB's will struggle when they lose a WR like that anyway. Unless you're Brady. Lol many seasons he made nobody's look good.

 

I also think Allen is better than Watson, although this was his 1st really good season. I just think Allen will get even better, which will be even more scary than he already is for the rest of the teams they face.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy

[Nihilarian]

I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for any other NFL QB or the supposed generational rookie QB Trevor Lawrence!

 

Josh is simply the perfect fit for Buffalo! 

 

 

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Not speaking for the poster you quoted, but I think most ppl know Watson is a good QB. I believe he was saying he's not as great/good without Hopkins and that he's not as good as Allen. 

 

But I mean most QB's will struggle when they lose a WR like that anyway. Unless you're Brady. Lol many seasons he made nobody's look good.

 

I also think Allen is better than Watson, although this was his 1st really good season. I just think Allen will get even better, which will be even more scary than he already is for the rest of the teams they face.

He was wrong.  Watson had his best season as a pro last year without Hopkins.

 

Watson didn't struggle last year, like at all. He commanded a top 5 passing attack in the NFL, he had 36 total TD's (most in his career), led the league in passing yards, and had the highest YPA in the NFL.

 

He did this paired with the second worst rushing attack in the NFL, and his team also managed to field the worst rushing defense in the NFL, a bottom 10 passing defense in the NFL, and the third worst total defense in the NFL.

 

His team scored 30+ points in 4 games and went 1-3 in those games. 8 of their losses were by 1 score or less.

 

Watson is a GREAT QB.  He has been a GREAT QB. He is in the top 6 of QB's and he quite literally has never had a bad season in his CAREER.

 

And all that being said, Josh was better last year. I would take Josh over Watson today. But Watson is still great. If Josh retired tomorrow and we somehow acquired Watson, I wouldn't jump off a bridge. That's all.

[transplantbillsfan]

I really love that we're able to have this conversation because I think Watson is a fantastic QB... I just think Josh is better.

 

I would not take that trade.  By now you've heard multiple guys--including Greg Cossell--say that Josh Allen is the most talented QB in the league right now and out of any QBs coming out of the draft.  And that's combination of size, arm strength, speed, elusiveness, running ability, toughness, etc.  Those that don't believe me... it was on one of Cossell's weekly appearances on the Cowherd show I believe.

 

Allen is still getting better and has the ability to be the GOAT. (Unfortunately, I don't think anyone will ever catch Brady's 7 rings... but I'd love to see Josh try).

 

Once again, I think Watson is a fantastic QB... probably top 5 in the NFL... so basically, he's Elite.

 

Allen is just better and is still getting better.

 

And I honestly don't even think that's the homer in me talking.  I think most experts would say NO to trading Watson for Allen straight up.

Edited February 18, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[GunnerBill]

On 2/18/2021 at 3:32 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

I really love that we're able to have this conversation because I think Watson is a fantastic QB... I just think Josh is better.

 

I would not take that trade.  By now you've heard multiple guys--including Greg Cossell--say that Josh Allen is the most talented QB in the league right now and out of any QBs coming out of the draft.  And that's combination of size, arm strength, speed, elusiveness, running ability, toughness, etc.  Those that don't believe me... it was on one of Cossell's weekly appearances on the Cowherd show I believe.

 

Allen is still getting better and has the ability to be the GOAT. (Unfortunately, I don't think anyone will ever catch Brady's 7 rings... but I'd love to see Josh try).

 

Once again, I think Watson is a fantastic QB... probably top 5 in the NFL... so basically, he's Elite.

 

Allen is just better and is still getting better.

 

And I honestly don't even think that's the homer in me talking.  I think most experts would say NO to trading Watson for Allen straight up.

 

I think most General Managers would say "no" but most general managers don't have Josh Allen. I said in the offseason there are only 6 maybe 7 General Managers who wouldn't be interested in trading for Desahun Watson. Brandon Beane is one of them.

 

I think the talk of the GOAT should be put on hold a little yet. You need a ring before that conversation can start IMO, but Josh is a top 3 Quarterback right now... or at least was in 2020... and there is no good reason to expect he will regress. 

[DCofNC]

You are splitting hairs between the 2 of them in terms of production.  Watson has a little longer track record of success, Allen appears to have room to grow and played this year at an elite level.  You would never trade JA, too much good to even consider it.  These 2 along with Maholmes, probably Burrow and based on last year Herbert are going to be the next generation of greats that everyone wishes they had and every fan base feels their is the best.  I’m just happy to have a guy we can clearly look at and be happy as hell we have him.

On 2/17/2021 at 12:42 AM, FireChans said:

He was wrong.  Watson had his best season as a pro last year without Hopkins.

 

Watson didn't struggle last year, like at all. He commanded a top 5 passing attack in the NFL, he had 36 total TD's (most in his career), led the league in passing yards, and had the highest YPA in the NFL.

 

He did this paired with the second worst rushing attack in the NFL, and his team also managed to field the worst rushing defense in the NFL, a bottom 10 passing defense in the NFL, and the third worst total defense in the NFL.

 

His team scored 30+ points in 4 games and went 1-3 in those games. 8 of their losses were by 1 score or less.

 

Watson is a GREAT QB.  He has been a GREAT QB. He is in the top 6 of QB's and he quite literally has never had a bad season in his CAREER.

 

And all that being said, Josh was better last year. I would take Josh over Watson today. But Watson is still great. If Josh retired tomorrow and we somehow acquired Watson, I wouldn't jump off a bridge. That's all.

Nailed it.

[CincyBillsFan]

On 2/16/2021 at 11:00 PM, ScottLaw said:

It’s close, Allen had a break out season but Watsons been doing it longer and more consistently. 

 

I wouldn’t swap Allen for Watson but I can understand why many would. If you asked a non Bills fans this question I would suspect most would say Watson, but it’s def close. 

 

I took your suggestion up and asked one Cleveland and five Cincinnati fans if they would rather have Allen or Watson.  The Browns fan & four of the five Bengals fans said they would take Allen over Watson in a heart beat. The remaining Bengal's fan said it would be a toss up and he would be happy with either.

 

I think we may be underestimating how much Allen has moved up among non-Bills fans based on his National TV performances starting last Thanksgiving against Dallas.

 

A common theme among those I asked was that they felt like Watson had plateaued and Allen was still improving.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

On 2/17/2021 at 12:42 AM, FireChans said:

He was wrong.  Watson had his best season as a pro last year without Hopkins.

 

Watson didn't struggle last year, like at all. He commanded a top 5 passing attack in the NFL, he had 36 total TD's (most in his career), led the league in passing yards, and had the highest YPA in the NFL.

 

He did this paired with the second worst rushing attack in the NFL, and his team also managed to field the worst rushing defense in the NFL, a bottom 10 passing defense in the NFL, and the third worst total defense in the NFL.

 

His team scored 30+ points in 4 games and went 1-3 in those games. 8 of their losses were by 1 score or less.

 

Watson is a GREAT QB.  He has been a GREAT QB. He is in the top 6 of QB's and he quite literally has never had a bad season in his CAREER.

 

And all that being said, Josh was better last year. I would take Josh over Watson today. But Watson is still great. If Josh retired tomorrow and we somehow acquired Watson, I wouldn't jump off a bridge. That's all.

 

I agree with most of what you say here including that Watson is a great QB. 

 

But I would point out that the situations you highlight go a long way towards explaining Watson's great stats.  He was often playing from behind in track meet type games. There is no doubt he faced way more prevent coverage then Allen did and his numbers reflect that.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I agree with most of what you say here including that Watson is a great QB. 

 

But I would point out that the situations you highlight go a long way towards explaining Watson's great stats.  He was often playing from behind in track meet type games. There is no doubt he faced way more prevent coverage then Allen did and his numbers reflect that.

 

This is true to an extent. The Texans were definitely in a lot of back and forth shoot out games. Watson was 10th in attempts this year. Part of the reason he led the league in passing was he completed over 70% of his throws and it can't all be attributed to soft coverage giving him the underneath throws - he was 2nd in the league in intended air yards per attempt behind only Tom Brady and led the league in completed air yards per attempt and completed air yards per completion. He was only 15th in the league in YAC by receivers. In short Watson's number were good mainly because he is really, really good. Yes, the type of games his team played was a factor, but not as big a factor as his ability. He is a top 5 Quarterback. Rather than continuing to try and caveat his play Bills fans should be going "wow that guy is great and yet I don't need to feel jealous about it because we have one of the very few guys who is better." But Bills fans have this chip on their shoulder that everyone else's guys get respect and the Bills' guys don't and it makes them respond to things in some odd ways. 

Edited February 19, 2021 by GunnerBill

[FireChans]

25 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I agree with most of what you say here including that Watson is a great QB. 

 

But I would point out that the situations you highlight go a long way towards explaining Watson's great stats.  He was often playing from behind in track meet type games. There is no doubt he faced way more prevent coverage then Allen did and his numbers reflect that.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is true to an extent. The Texans were definitely in a lot of back and forth shoot out games. Watson was 10th in attempts this year. Part of the reason he led the league in passing was he completed over 70% of his throws and it can't all be attributed to soft coverage giving him the underneath throws - he was 2nd in the league in intended air yards per attempt behind only Tom Brady and led the league in completed air yards per attempt and completed air yards per completion. He was only 15th in the league in YAC by receivers. In short Watson's number were good mainly because he is really, really good. Yes, the type of games his team played was a factor, but not as big a factor as his ability. He is a top 5 Quarterback. Rather than continuing to try and caveat his play Bills fans should be going "wow that guy is great and yet I don't need to feel jealous about it because we have one of the very few guys who is better." But Bills fans have this chip on their shoulder that everyone else's guys get respect and the Bills' guys don't and it makes them respond to things in some odd ways. 

GB nailed it but more importantly.

 

Who cares that he faced more prevent that Allen? 

 

He's a great QB.

[MJS]

On 2/12/2021 at 3:53 PM, dave mcbride said:

Dude, cool your jets with the hostile snark. Jeez. Allen played in all of two inclement weather games this season - KC and Baltimore. The offense scored 17 and 10 points. As for Watson, he threw 49, not 45 (http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2019-nfl-draft/2019/03/10/ball-velocity-is-bunk/ and https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=22529), but the real takeaway is that the number was wildly non-predictive of performance -- just like Allen's completion percentage in college was non-predictive. Why people have to trash one player as part of praising another player is beyond me.   They're both good players. 

Wasn't the 2nd Jets game inclement weather too? I seem to remember a couple of the regular season games being bad weather.

[NewEra]

40 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I took your suggestion up and asked one Cleveland and five Cincinnati fans if they would rather have Allen or Watson.  The Browns fan & four of the five Bengals fans said they would take Allen over Watson in a heart beat. The remaining Bengal's fan said it would be a toss up and he would be happy with either.

 

I think we may be underestimating how much Allen has moved up among non-Bills fans based on his National TV performances starting last Thanksgiving against Dallas.

 

A common theme among those I asked was that they felt like Watson had plateaued and Allen was still improving.

 

 

In the last week, I’ve asked 6 raiders fans 2 chargers and 2 Rams fans.  Of the 10 I asked 7 preferred Watson.  The two chargers fans and 1 raiders fans picked allen.  

Edited February 19, 2021 by NewEra

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is true to an extent. The Texans were definitely in a lot of back and forth shoot out games. Watson was 10th in attempts this year. Part of the reason he led the league in passing was he completed over 70% of his throws and it can't all be attributed to soft coverage giving him the underneath throws - he was 2nd in the league in intended air yards per attempt behind only Tom Brady and led the league in completed air yards per attempt and completed air yards per completion. He was only 15th in the league in YAC by receivers. In short Watson's number were good mainly because he is really, really good. Yes, the type of games his team played was a factor, but not as big a factor as his ability. He is a top 5 Quarterback. Rather than continuing to try and caveat his play Bills fans should be going "wow that guy is great and yet I don't need to feel jealous about it because we have one of the very few guys who is better." But Bills fans have this chip on their shoulder that everyone else's guys get respect and the Bills' guys don't and it makes them respond to things in some odd ways. 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the impact of Watson facing a lot more prevent coverage contributing to his stats.  One thing I've noticed is that while in THEORY prevent defensive schemes force teams to check down their throws in practice you see a lot of 10 - 20 yard strikes.

 

As for Bills fans having a chip on our shoulders with regards to Allen you're damn right we do.  And is it a surprise?  I've been following the NFL closely for half a century and I can't recall a QB coming into the league getting beat up on as much as Allen has.  At times it was brutal and the virulence of it was unwarranted.

 

The question of this thread is who do we think is the better QB and it came from suggestions on other threads that some fans would be willing to trade Allen for Watson straight up.  Given this why should those of us who believe Allen is the better QB be gushing over Watson?  I think we've been pretty clear we consider Watson a top 10 QB.  We've also been clear that we wouldn't trade Allen for Watson and that Allen is the better QB.

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

In the last week, I’ve asked 6 raiders fans 2 chargers and 2 Rams fans.  Of the 10 I asked 7 preferred Watson.  The two chargers fans and 1 raiders fans picked allen.  

 

Josh can give the Rams D another whooping in 4 years time. They might already have changed their minds by then

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on the impact of Watson facing a lot more prevent coverage contributing to his stats.  One thing I've noticed is that while in THEORY prevent defensive schemes force teams to check down their throws in practice you see a lot of 10 - 20 yard strikes.

 

As for Bills fans having a chip on our shoulders with regards to Allen you're damn right we do.  And is it a surprise?  I've been following the NFL closely for half a century and I can't recall a QB coming into the league getting beat up on as much as Allen has.  At times it was brutal and the virulence of it was unwarranted.

 

The question of this thread is who do we think is the better QB and it came from suggestions on other threads that some fans would be willing to trade Allen for Watson straight up.  Given this why should those of us who believe Allen is the better QB be gushing over Watson?  I think we've been pretty clear we consider Watson a top 10 QB.  We've also been clear that we wouldn't trade Allen for Watson and that Allen is the better QB.

 

 

Because Watson is better than a top 10 QB. And now you are saying "well ignore the stats I am going to tell you that my pre-conceived idea is the right one". 

 

I wouldn't trade Allen for Watson either. I can just be objective about both.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because Watson is better than a top 10 QB. And now you are saying "well ignore the stats I am going to tell you that my pre-conceived idea is the right one". 

 

I wouldn't trade Allen for Watson either. I can just be objective about both.

 

You listed stats showing that Watson was pushing the ball down the field not that prevent defenses don't enable QB's to do that.  The prevent is designed to stop the big over the top plays but often leaves the 10 - 20 yard stuff open.  Completing 6 of 7 passes for 75 yards on your way to a late TD will give you a pretty decent yards per attempt. 

 

And how is saying Watson is a top 10 QB not being objective?  It's not like I'm saying he sucks.  I just happen to think that right now Allen is top 5 and Watson is top 10.

 

IMO my top 5 would be: Rogers, Mahomes, Allen, Brady and Wilson.  My next 7 would be:  Jackson, Watson, Prescott, Herbert, Burrough, Stafford & Mayfield

 

[FireChans]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

You listed stats showing that Watson was pushing the ball down the field not that prevent defenses don't enable QB's to do that.  The prevent is designed to stop the big over the top plays but often leaves the 10 - 20 yard stuff open.  Completing 6 of 7 passes for 75 yards on your way to a late TD will give you a pretty decent yards per attempt. 

 

And how is saying Watson is a top 10 QB not being objective?  It's not like I'm saying he sucks.  I just happen to think that right now Allen is top 5 and Watson is top 10.

 

IMO my top 5 would be: Rogers, Mahomes, Allen, Brady and Wilson.  My next 7 would be:  Jackson, Watson, Prescott, Herbert, Burrough, Stafford & Mayfield

 

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[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, FireChans said:

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I see a lot of question marks here but is there actually a question here?

 

 

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

You listed stats showing that Watson was pushing the ball down the field not that prevent defenses don't enable QB's to do that.  The prevent is designed to stop the big over the top plays but often leaves the 10 - 20 yard stuff open.  Completing 6 of 7 passes for 75 yards on your way to a late TD will give you a pretty decent yards per attempt. 

 

And how is saying Watson is a top 10 QB not being objective?  It's not like I'm saying he sucks.  I just happen to think that right now Allen is top 5 and Watson is top 10.

 

IMO my top 5 would be: Rogers, Mahomes, Allen, Brady and Wilson.  My next 7 would be:  Jackson, Watson, Prescott, Herbert, Burrough, Stafford & Mayfield

 

I would move him ahead of Lamar. He can be top 6.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

You listed stats showing that Watson was pushing the ball down the field not that prevent defenses don't enable QB's to do that.  The prevent is designed to stop the big over the top plays but often leaves the 10 - 20 yard stuff open.  Completing 6 of 7 passes for 75 yards on your way to a late TD will give you a pretty decent yards per attempt. 

 

And how is saying Watson is a top 10 QB not being objective?  It's not like I'm saying he sucks.  I just happen to think that right now Allen is top 5 and Watson is top 10.

 

IMO my top 5 would be: Rogers, Mahomes, Allen, Brady and Wilson.  My next 7 would be:  Jackson, Watson, Prescott, Herbert, Burrough, Stafford & Mayfield

 

 

But having that stat line on a late TD drive isn't going to push up the average of a whole game so markedly. And it isn't like the Texans were being blown out and playing from 21 points behind. They lost 8 games by one score. If you think Watson is 6th... I can just about live with that. I think he is better at this point than Brady and he definitely outplayed Russ in 2020, but I understand giving Russ the benefit of the doubt for longevity. But he is in that group not the group you have him in. 

 

Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen - tier 1

Watson, Wilson, Brady - tier 2

Everyone else - clearly a tier below.  

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Josh can give the Rams D another whooping in 4 years time. They might already have changed their minds by then

 

Because Watson is better than a top 10 QB. And now you are saying "well ignore the stats I am going to tell you that my pre-conceived idea is the right one". 

 

I wouldn't trade Allen for Watson either. I can just be objective about both.

Or maybe this year in the super bowl!

[dave mcbride]

37 minutes ago, MJS said:

Wasn't the 2nd Jets game inclement weather too? I seem to remember a couple of the regular season games being bad weather.

52 degrees and an 8 mph wind in that game.

[MJS]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

52 degrees and an 8 mph wind in that game.

And rain? Or did the Pats game have rain? I remember two rain games.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

I would move him ahead of Lamar. He can be top 6.

Tannehill is somewhere up there too. And the gap between Tannehill and Watson < the gap between Watson and Allen.

[C.Biscuit97]

37 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Tannehill is somewhere up there too. And the gap between Tannehill and Watson < the gap between Watson and Allen.

What??? Henry makes Tannehill. Any time Henry gets taken away, Tannehill sucks. Watson has played with dog crap at RB, gets his best receiver traded away (AJ Brown is a monster) and has his best year. 
 

If you are honestly thinking Watson and Tannehill are close, you know nothing about football. 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But having that stat line on a late TD drive isn't going to push up the average of a whole game so markedly. And it isn't like the Texans were being blown out and playing from 21 points behind. They lost 8 games by one score. If you think Watson is 6th... I can just about live with that. I think he is better at this point than Brady and he definitely outplayed Russ in 2020, but I understand giving Russ the benefit of the doubt for longevity. But he is in that group not the group you have him in. 

 

Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen - tier 1

Watson, Wilson, Brady - tier 2

Everyone else - clearly a tier below.  

Little earlier for Allen on tier 1. It should be reserved for guys who have done it year after year. Another year like this, and I’d put him there. 
 

And I still think Wilson is borderline tier 1. He is Seattle’s offense. 

[Rico]

Of course, if you are looking at QBs to lead you to a win in 1 game (like say, the SB), there is only one player in Tier 1, and that is still Tom Brady.

Edited February 19, 2021 by Rico

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But having that stat line on a late TD drive isn't going to push up the average of a whole game so markedly. And it isn't like the Texans were being blown out and playing from 21 points behind. They lost 8 games by one score. If you think Watson is 6th... I can just about live with that. I think he is better at this point than Brady and he definitely outplayed Russ in 2020, but I understand giving Russ the benefit of the doubt for longevity. But he is in that group not the group you have him in. 

 

Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen - tier 1

Watson, Wilson, Brady - tier 2

Everyone else - clearly a tier below.  

To be an that tier Allen needs more than 1 elite season. He's on his way but not there yet. 

[GoBills808]

57 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What??? Henry makes Tannehill. Any time Henry gets taken away, Tannehill sucks. Watson has played with dog crap at RB, gets his best receiver traded away (AJ Brown is a monster) and has his best year. 
 

If you are honestly thinking Watson and Tannehill are close, you know nothing about football. 

Little earlier for Allen on tier 1. It should be reserved for guys who have done it year after year. Another year like this, and I’d put him there. 
 

And I still think Wilson is borderline tier 1. He is Seattle’s offense. 

let me tell you i am absolutely devastated that the guy who called Allen a bust nonstop for the past two years thinks I know nothing about football

[Behindenemylines]

Allen is better in every way and is a leader which is most needed in today’s nfl 

 

Watson is a really good player but his attitude appears to me, and his recent antics show he’s a locker room killer and “me first” guy.  That’s not a leader. That won’t get you a ring for sure 
 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

50 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

let me tell you i am absolutely devastated that the guy who called Allen a bust nonstop for the past two years thinks I know nothing about football

You’re not smart. I said Allen wasn’t a very good passer his first 2 years and he wasn’t. I know you’re a soccer mom and a sensitive cupcake but I’m glad Allen isn’t. Because rather than be like GoBills said I was awesome my first 2 years, he kept improving and had an amazing season. 
 

But despite you side tracking the point, you’re a stupid football fan of you think Tannehill is comparable to Watson. Like really dumb. If the Titans had Watson, they are instant SB contenders.  Every time the count on Tannehill when Henry isn’t going beast mode, he sucks. He is s product of their system. Watson is the system. 

46 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Allen is better in every way and is a leader which is most needed in today’s nfl 

 

Watson is a really good player but his attitude appears to me, and his recent antics show he’s a locker room killer and “me first” guy.  That’s not a leader. That won’t get you a ring for sure 
 

 

What is this? So if traded Diggs for levon bell before the season and then said Allen could be part of the process of hiring the coach and GM but then didn’t contact him, you don’t think he would be mad? Luckily, we don’t have to worry about that because we have a stable organization. The Texans are a joke run by a religious guy who has never run a front office 

 

not one single teammate has ever said anything about positive things about Watson. Andre Johnson, the Texans best receiver who never talks, ripped the team.  How anyone could side with the Texans is beyond me. They had a SB contender with a top 5 qb and let Bill O’Brien destroy it. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The Texans are a joke run by a religious guy who has never run a front office 

 

Something about Houston.... it was after his meltdown there that Nate Peterman told the assembled media they were not allowed to judge him because they are not God.

[dave mcbride]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But having that stat line on a late TD drive isn't going to push up the average of a whole game so markedly. And it isn't like the Texans were being blown out and playing from 21 points behind. They lost 8 games by one score. If you think Watson is 6th... I can just about live with that. I think he is better at this point than Brady and he definitely outplayed Russ in 2020, but I understand giving Russ the benefit of the doubt for longevity. But he is in that group not the group you have him in. 

 

Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen - tier 1

Watson, Wilson, Brady - tier 2

Everyone else - clearly a tier below.  

I really don't get not putting Brady in the top 5. Let me ask you this: who do you want starting as your QB in a playoff game? Brady or Rodgers? Brady or Wilson? Brady or Watson? I know who I'm picking in every instance, and it's not even close. Brady raises the game of everyone else around him in a way that's unique in NFL history.

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re not smart. I said Allen wasn’t a very good passer his first 2 years and he wasn’t. I know you’re a soccer mom and a sensitive cupcake but I’m glad Allen isn’t. Because rather than be like GoBills said I was awesome my first 2 years, he kept improving and had an amazing season. 
 

But despite you side tracking the point, you’re a stupid football fan of you think Tannehill is comparable to Watson. Like really dumb. If the Titans had Watson, they are instant SB contenders.  Every time the count on Tannehill when Henry isn’t going beast mode, he sucks. He is s product of their system. Watson is the system. 

What is this? So if traded Diggs for levon bell before the season and then said Allen could be part of the process of hiring the coach and GM but then didn’t contact him, you don’t think he would be mad? Luckily, we don’t have to worry about that because we have a stable organization. The Texans are a joke run by a religious guy who has never run a front office 

 

not one single teammate has ever said anything about positive things about Watson. Andre Johnson, the Texans best receiver who never talks, ripped the team.  How anyone could side with the Texans is beyond me. They had a SB contender with a top 5 qb and let Bill O’Brien destroy it. 

I prefer Watson to Tannehill, but the latter decidedly does not suck. He is a good QB. 

[Rico]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I really don't get not putting Brady in the top 5. Let me ask you this: who do you want starting as your QB in a playoff game? Brady or Rodgers? Brady or Wilson? Brady or Watson? I know who I'm picking in every instance, and it's not even close. Brady raises the game of everyone else around him in a way that's unique in NFL history.

Exactly.... and if I can’t have Brady but I can have my choice of any other QB, Watson would not be under consideration.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Rico

[GoBills808]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re not smart.

 

I know you’re a soccer mom and a sensitive cupcake

 

you’re a stupid football fan

 

Like really dumb

I'm ok. Somehow I manage to navigate the mean streets of Two Bills Drive without calling anonymous posters names.

 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I really don't get not putting Brady in the top 5. Let me ask you this: who do you want starting as your QB in a playoff game? Brady or Rodgers? Brady or Wilson? Brady or Watson? I know who I'm picking in every instance, and it's not even close. Brady raises the game of everyone else around him in a way that's unique in NFL history.

 

Yea I get that. At times the last two years though he has just played some flat out bad football that is kind of hard to unsee. Even against Green Bay in the playoffs the second half he was bad. He is a winner. The greatest QB of all time and a flat out winner. I just think the play is a lot more uneven than it used to be, regardless of how well he played in the Superbowl. 

[Nelius]

Nobody's actually "exploring" this. Real top 5 looking forward are Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Murray, Wilson/Watson, with significant emphasis on ranking Allen above Watson. Justin Herbert lurking in honorable mention. Brady's an enigma, I'm not including him in these things. He could throw ducks for 2,000 yards next year and still win a Super Bowl apparently, I don't know how you rank that.

[Warcodered]

 

[CincyBillsFan]

7 hours ago, Nelius said:

Nobody's actually "exploring" this. Real top 5 looking forward are Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Murray, Wilson/Watson, with significant emphasis on ranking Allen above Watson. Justin Herbert lurking in honorable mention. Brady's an enigma, I'm not including him in these things. He could throw ducks for 2,000 yards next year and still win a Super Bowl apparently, I don't know how you rank that.

 

Don't sleep on Joe Burrow.  In fact given how cheap they are for the next two to three years I would likely take Herbert or Burrow before I would take Watson.

 

That got me thinking what I would do if I owned a franchise and could pick my QB.

 

First tier = Mahomes or Allen

 

If I couldn't have one of those two:

 

Second Tier = Burrow or Herbert.

 

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Don't sleep on Joe Burrow.  In fact given how cheap they are for the next two to three years I would likely take Herbert or Burrow before I would take Watson.

 

That got me thinking what I would do if I owned a franchise and could pick my QB.

 

First tier = Mahomes or Allen

 

If I couldn't have one of those two:

 

Second Tier = Burrow or Herbert.

 

 

So I think Watson is better than Burrow and Herbert at this stage by still some distance. But I have said there are only 7 teams who shouldn't at least be calling about Deshaun Watson and two of those are Cincy and the Chargers because they have 4 more years of cost control (3 of stringent cost control) with guys who looked good to very good as rookies.