Thoughts and prayers for Zerovoltz here

[Meatloaf63]

11 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

This is false. He was on the forum before the 2017 draft (as a Bills fan) and pushing hard every day on his argument that the Bills needed to draft Mahomes. He switched to the Chiefs because he’s a Mahomes fan, but he still likes the Bills.

Not a Bills fan if you leave because another team drafts a shiny new toy. He may have been a member, but wasn’t really a fan...

[Bermuda Triangle]

13 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

No, he changed his name and rejoined. I was there and remember it clearly. He posted incessantly about Mahomes before the draft.

So what was his original name?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said:

Mahomes doesn't have wife! Just an 8 year girlfriend who is 8+ months pregnant and should be married.  But, if you hear her speak there may be a reason Patrick isn't putting a ring on her finger!!!

 

They got engaged last year.  She's his fiancee', and I suspect she has a ring.  At a guess, they aren't married because a lot of people delayed planning a big wedding this year.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

14 hours ago, Success said:

 

 

Last night was a bit of humble pie for all of them.  And I didn't really mind seeing Brady hoist another as much as I thought.  6, 7 - what's the difference.

 

 

That was my exact line of thinking and why I was pulling for the Bucs. Brady wins and he remains the GOAT. Nothing changes. 

 

Mahomes wins and we have to suffer through crap about how Mahomes is going to be the new GOAT now after just suffering through 20 years of Brady.

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think this year on the whole they played at an equal level. It depends how much you weigh the period of time that Allen played with a shoulder harness. Mahomes gets the edge right now because he has done it for multiple seasons and has looked better in the playoffs throughout his career. But the gap is not what you make it out to be. Mahomes has two elite pass catchers and much better depth at receiver than Allen does. He also has a competent running game. Allen has Diggs, a good slot receiver, and medium to low tier talent otherwise, with a bottom tier run game. The talent gap for their respective supporting casts is substantially larger than the talent gap between the QBs IMO.

 

Happy, your last sentence is perfect. I've been trying to get that point across to NewEra and he just keeps coming back with Mahomes >>>>Allen nonsense. 

 

I'd sign on to Mahomes career achievements >>>> Allen's. But the QB's entering the 2021 season? That gap is very small.

[MJS]

16 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

He has the same Avatar on the Broncos forum as well and he has defended or propped up Allen on their site as well.

Only recently. He used to talk trash about Josh Allen. He was firmly in the "I don't think you can develop accuracy and Allen won't improve" crowd, but always left himself an out by saying something like "but maybe I'm wrong and he will progress".

 

He also predicted that the Chiefs would go undefeated and the Bills would only win like 6 games a couple seasons ago. The Bills won 10 games and the Chiefs lost 4 games, although they did go on to win the Superbowl. His reason for doubting the Bills was his lack of belief in Allen.

 

He only came around to Allen slightly faster than most non-Bills fans.

[MJS]

10 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Probably won't see zerovolts to get his perspective til maybe a couple more days. Speaking for myself, after the frustrating Bills loss I didn't want to be bothered for a day or 2. Was the way Bills lost though that I was most frustrated with.

 

Anyways, Chiefs lost in a rough way also, worse than Bills. So he may be letting it sink in for a bit.

Yep. Has to be one of the most lopsided Superbowls in a long time. Similar to that Broncos Peyton Manning Superbowl a few years back when they had like the best offense in NFL history and got shellacked in the Superbowl.

[JMF2006]

I read that poor little Mahomee  ran for his life......... 498 yds total before throwing or being sacked.

 

Maybe if he had ran 1/2 that total the right way(past the LOS) they might have won

 

This total only exceeded the 495 yards he accumulated  running the wrong way for his life against the Raiders in the loss   

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

I wouldn't totally discount the "loser's limp" aspect........... but he did have to run 497 yards against Tampa per next gen stats.

 

He barely had to move off his spot against Buffalo, unfortunately.

 

When I read that online yesterday at work I laughed.....it beat his previous best/worst against the Raiders by 3 yards

Edited February 9, 2021 by JMF2006
I posted my first post before I read Badols quote

[Stank_Nasty]

43 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

I read that poor little Mahomee  ran for his life......... 498 yds total before throwing or being sacked.

 

Maybe if he had ran 1/2 that total the right way(past the LOS) they might have won

 

This total only exceeded the 495 yards he accumulated  running the wrong way for his life against the Raiders in the loss   

 

When I read that online yesterday at work I laughed.....it beat his previous best/worst against the Raiders by 3 yards

This morning on NFL radio i finally, FINALLY, heard somebody going in on Mahomes for doing this. Solomon Wilcotts was on his morning show saying you just cannot keep running around and going backwards like that. That it just sets you up for failure most of the time.

 

.... meanwhile our guy has just one or 2 plays in a game that look similar and the freaking mob comes out to get him.

[H2o]

7 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

This morning on NFL radio i finally, FINALLY, heard somebody going in on Mahomes for doing this. Solomon Wilcotts was on his morning show saying you just cannot keep running around and going backwards like that. That it just sets you up for failure most of the time.

 

.... meanwhile our guy has just one or 2 plays in a game that look similar and the freaking mob comes out to get him.

The narrative is going to be that way because Mahomes is the new media darling who has already had some success, has all of the commercials, and just signed that half a billi contract. They weren't on TV talking about how he needed to get the ball out quicker like they do with Josh. They weren't talking about him playing "hero ball" like they would with Josh. They weren't talking about how the passes into coverage are dangerous or unnecessary like they would with Josh. No. It was the line isn't doing their job, the toe is hindering him majorly, Mahomes is doing everything he can to carry this team or make something happen, blah, blah, blah. It will be this way until Allen gets a ring. Even then it will probably continue on because that's what they (the media) do. 

[Stank_Nasty]

9 minutes ago, H2o said:

The narrative is going to be that way because Mahomes is the new media darling who has already had some success, has all of the commercials, and just signed that half a billi contract. They weren't on TV talking about how he needed to get the ball out quicker like they do with Josh. They weren't talking about him playing "hero ball" like they would with Josh. They weren't talking about how the passes into coverage are dangerous or unnecessary like they would with Josh. No. It was the line isn't doing their job, the toe is hindering him majorly, Mahomes is doing everything he can to carry this team or make something happen, blah, blah, blah. It will be this way until Allen gets a ring. Even then it will probably continue on because that's what they (the media) do. 

right. i understand all of this and i totally acknowledge mahomes has proven so much more..... but its STILL ridiculous. a lot of these people are former players and executives or just people that have covered the game for years. they get paid to do it. its sucks that its so predictable and we cant expect better. 

 

"poor patty mahomes did all he could. cant blame him for trying to make something happen. he was all they had.... you say josh allen dealt with the same thing 2 weeks ago? oh, he is who we thought he was. told ya so."

 

i saw bart scott(i know he's a meathead) after the Chiefs game talking about how Allen was never more than a 2nd tier qb and that game proved it. I'd wager his tune is a little different this week regarding the new golden boy

Edited February 9, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Bermuda Triangle]

4 minutes ago, H2o said:

The narrative is going to be that way because Mahomes is the new media darling who has already had some success, has all of the commercials, and just signed that half a billi contract. They weren't on TV talking about how he needed to get the ball out quicker like they do with Josh. They weren't talking about him playing "hero ball" like they would with Josh. They weren't talking about how the passes into coverage are dangerous or unnecessary like they would with Josh. No. It was the line isn't doing their job, the toe is hindering him majorly, Mahomes is doing everything he can to carry this team or make something happen, blah, blah, blah. It will be this way until Allen gets a ring. Even then it will probably continue on because that's what they (the media) do. 

Never have I heard more gushing about an incomplete pass in a blowout. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

And then you see stupid crap like this on Twitter:

 

 

Never mind the fact that Chuck Howley actually did win Super Bowl MVP in a losing effort 

[H2o]

9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

right. i understand all of this and i totally acknowledge mahomes has proven so much more..... but its STILL ridiculous. a lot of these people are former players and executives or just people that have covered the game for years. they get paid to do it. its sucks that its so predictable and we cant expect better. 

 

"poor patty mahomes did all he could. cant blame him for trying to make something happen. he was all they had.... you say josh allen dealt with the same thing 2 weeks ago? oh, he is who we thought he was. told ya so."

 

i saw bart scott(i know he's a meathead) after the Chiefs game talking about how Allen was never more than a 2nd tier qb and that game proved it. I'd wager his tune is a little different this week regarding the new golden boy

All of those guys are idiots and they will ride their narratives like a ship headed for the bottom of the Atlantic. It's in the same respect as to how they, ALL OF THEM, were tearing up over legit penalties being called on the Chiefs. Those were the same exact penalties which they were committing against the Bills without ANY of them being called. No one was making much about that when we were getting shafted by the zebras, were they? I've come to expect it and just laugh. The double standards are clearly evident for people with half a brain to recognize it. 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

All of those guys are idiots and they will ride their narratives like a ship headed for the bottom of the Atlantic. It's in the same respect as to how they, ALL OF THEM, were tearing up over legit penalties being called on the Chiefs. Those were the same exact penalties which they were committing against the Bills without ANY of them being called. No one was making much about that when we were getting shafted by the zebras, were they? I've come to expect it and just laugh. The double standards are clearly evident for people with half a brain to recognize it. 

agreed. Allen was dealing with that pass rush and the fact that the refs tucked their flags deep into their pockets as our wr's got man handled.

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Curious: where in the Next Gen stats do you find info about the distance the QB moves between snap and throw?

 

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Happy, your last sentence is perfect. I've been trying to get that point across to NewEra and he just keeps coming back with Mahomes >>>>Allen nonsense. 

 

I'd sign on to Mahomes career achievements >>>> Allen's. But the QB's entering the 2021 season? That gap is very small.

Lol.  Ok, allen >/=Mahomes.  You happy now?  

you act like I’m the only person in the world who think Mahomes is in a different tier than allen. Most non bills fans feel that way.  Many bills fans feel that way.  When Josh allen earns it, I’ll say it.  I don’t give out trophy’s based on one season.  I give out trophy’s based on winning something other than 13 games.  
 

sorry, that I’m not such a homer that I can actually use more than my heart to make my observations.  Allen is amazing.  I don’t think he’s as good as Pat Mahomes.  Yet.  
 

you think Josh allen is as good as Pat Mahomes.  You’re an unabashed homer that doesn’t deal with one year of success very well. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lol.  Ok, allen >/=Mahomes.  You happy now?  

you act like I’m the only person in the world who think Mahomes is in a different tier than allen. Most non bills fans feel that way.  Many bills fans feel that way.  When Josh allen earns it, I’ll say it.  I don’t give out trophy’s based on one season.  I give out trophy’s based on winning something other than 13 games.  
 

sorry, that I’m not such a homer that I can actually use more than my heart to make my observations.  Allen is amazing.  I don’t think he’s as good as Pat Mahomes.  Yet.  
 

you think Josh allen is as good as Pat Mahomes.  You’re an unabashed homer that doesn’t deal with one year of success very well. 

you are aware that if people disagree with your opinions, it doesn't necessarily make them "unabashed homer(s)", right?

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/22/some-in-the-league-think-josh-allen-has-caught-patrick-mahomes/

 

Congrats on being the self-appointed paragon of objectivity.  Maybe you can "give out trophy’s" based on that.

[NewEra]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

you are aware that if people disagree with your opinions, it doesn't necessarily make them "unabashed homer(s)", right?

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/22/some-in-the-league-think-josh-allen-has-caught-patrick-mahomes/

 

Congrats on being the self-appointed paragon of objectivity.  Maybe you can "give out trophy’s" based on that.

Pat Mahomes won an MVP, the super bowl and Super Bowl MVP (by leading his team to 21 straight points after being down by 10 with 7 minutes left in the game.  He is the best player in the NFL according to 99% of the league. The other 1% = some Packers and Bills fans + “some other guys that florio and Simms had talked to that are wondering if allen has caught Mahomes.”  But none of those people will put their names on allen being as good as Mahomes. They wonder.  
 

My apologies for calling @Stank_Nasty an unabashed homer.  I just don’t understand how anyone can say that Allen is as good as Mahomes before he’s accomplished anything.  Our boy had an amazing season. I wouldn’t trade Allen for Mahomes.  He’s the perfect qb for our team and our city.  I just need to see more from him to be on the same level as Mahomes because I’ve seen Mahomes accomplish things that Josh hasn’t accomplished yet.  2021 could be the year.  He’s going have have 1 maybe 2 shots at it again.  He had two shots this season and didn’t even hit the target.  Hopefully that gets Josh more upset than you are after reading it.  
 

Sorry that I speak my mind (just as everyone on the site does).   I love our boy and can see him becoming the best QB in the league.  I don’t think he’s there yet and I won’t let my emotions get in the way.  I pound the table vs all of my non bills fans that 17 is an elite qb and has a greater upside than Mahomes (which I 💯 believe). He has the mental and physical tools/gifts  to be the best QB ever (although he will probably never eclipse Brady and his SB titles).  I just refuse to say that he’s as good as Mahomes until he accomplishes more than finishing 2nd in the mvp voting and making 1 AFCCG.  I believe that he will win at least one SB for us and earn the nations praise and respect in the way Mahomes has already earned it.  Josh just hasn’t earned it yet.  Most fans in the world would agree with me.  

 

[Stank_Nasty]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

My apologies for calling @Stank_Nasty an unabashed homer.  I just don’t understand how anyone can say that Allen is as good as Mahomes before he’s accomplished anything.  Our boy had an amazing season. I wouldn’t trade Allen for Mahomes.  He’s the perfect qb for our team and our city.  I just need to see more from him to be on the same level as Mahomes because I’ve seen Mahomes accomplish things that Josh hasn’t accomplished yet.  2021 could be the year.  He’s going have have 1 maybe 2 shots at it again.  He had two shots this season and didn’t even hit the target.  Hopefully that gets Josh more upset than you are after reading it.  
 

 

 

Nah. You didnt call me a homer. You one upped it and call me a liar.... which i never was BTW.

 

And i think you're speaking about people in general here. But i can only say for myself(AGAIN), that i dont think Allen is quite as good as Mahomes yet. But i also think the gap is small and i would argue that Allen had a better regular season than Mahomes.... The problem is the minute somebody has the audacity to say that, and actually quote hard stats that support an argument, "Chiefs Kingdom" and all their cronies flat out lose their minds like a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Bermuda Triangle]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Pat Mahomes won an MVP, the super bowl and Super Bowl MVP (by leading his team to 21 straight points after being down by 10 with 7 minutes left in the game.  He is the best player in the NFL according to 99% of the league. The other 1% = some Packers and Bills fans + “some other guys that florio and Simms had talked to that are wondering if allen has caught Mahomes.”  But none of those people will put their names on allen being as good as Mahomes. They wonder.  
 

My apologies for calling @Stank_Nasty an unabashed homer.  I just don’t understand how anyone can say that Allen is as good as Mahomes before he’s accomplished anything.  Our boy had an amazing season. I wouldn’t trade Allen for Mahomes.  He’s the perfect qb for our team and our city.  I just need to see more from him to be on the same level as Mahomes because I’ve seen Mahomes accomplish things that Josh hasn’t accomplished yet.  2021 could be the year.  He’s going have have 1 maybe 2 shots at it again.  He had two shots this season and didn’t even hit the target.  Hopefully that gets Josh more upset than you are after reading it.  
 

Sorry that I speak my mind (just as everyone on the site does).   I love our boy and can see him becoming the best QB in the league.  I don’t think he’s there yet and I won’t let my emotions get in the way.  I pound the table vs all of my non bills fans that 17 is an elite qb and has a greater upside than Mahomes (which I 💯 believe). He has the mental and physical tools/gifts  to be the best QB ever (although he will probably never eclipse Brady and his SB titles).  I just refuse to say that he’s as good as Mahomes until he accomplishes more than finishing 2nd in the mvp voting and making 1 AFCCG.  I believe that he will win at least one SB for us and earn the nations praise and respect in the way Mahomes has already earned it.  Josh just hasn’t earned it yet.  Most fans in the world would agree with me.  

 

You don't have to believe that Allen is as good as Mahomes is right now.  Nobody is trying to convince you of that...and no offense, I don't think that anybody really cares about your opinion.

 

JMO, I think your taking shots at people who think that Allen may be as good as Mahomes is right now is frankly, a little weird.  A handful of NFL MVP Voters (but hey, what would they know?) felt that way.

[NewEra]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

Nah. You didnt call me a homer. You just accused me of flat out lying.... which i wasnt.

 

And i think you're speaking about people in general here. But i can only say for myself(AGAIN), that i dont think Allen is quite as good as Mahomes yet. But i also think the gap is small and i would argue that Allen had a better regular season than Mahomes.... The problem is the minute somebody has the audacity to say that, and actually quote hard stats that support an argument, "Chiefs Kingdom" and all their cronies flat out lose their minds like a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

I feel that my Mahomes by a billion comment really got to you and others.  In my head, I was thinking Mahomes is better than allen.....and a billion people would agree.  I was thinking that Mahomes has already accomplished what QBs have to accomplish in order to “be in the conversation”.  He did it in his second year.

Mahomes is the best QB in the league imo.  Rodgers is #2.  Josh is up there with Watson and RW.....a tier below Mahomes and Rodgers.....so far.  He hasn’t yet earned being in the conversation with Mahomes based on one great season.  

 

Sorry, but I don’t consider “hard stats” from one season as evidence of whether a QB is better (or equal to another)

 

I’m sorry that I misinterpreted your comment and called you a liar.  I interpreted your comment as Mahomes having 3-4 games at the end of the season in which he had a passer rating under 90....when in fact he only had one.  While you were saying that his average rating over 3-4 games was under 90, in which you were correct.  My bad and I apologize for saying that you were making stuff up.

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

You don't have to believe that Allen is as good as Mahomes is right now.  Nobody is trying to convince you of that...and no offense, I don't think that anybody really cares about your opinion.

 

JMO, I think your taking shots at people who think that Allen may be as good as Mahomes is right now is frankly, a little weird.  A handful of NFL MVP Voters (but hey, what would they know?) felt that way.

Yes, I’m taking shots at those that are putting Josh on a pedestal when he hasn’t earned it yet.  I’m taking shots at people that are butt hurt about people putting Mahomes on a pedestal.....when Mahomes has earned his spot on the pedestal.  When Josh earns his spot, I’ll be among the first to anoint him.  So many people get butt hurt about the media and social media propping up Mahomes.  Why so mad?  Why not just be happy that our QB is ascending?  Why not just be happy our team made the AFCCG?  I see so much bitterness about another great QB and I just don’t understand why.  I’m not bitter about it.  Why are you?
 

One seasons Mvp voting is not the same thing as voting for who you think is the better QB. You’re comparing apples to oranges here. 

[Stank_Nasty]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I feel that my Mahomes by a billion comment really got to you and others.  In my head, I was thinking Mahomes is better than allen.....and a billion people would agree.  I was thinking that Mahomes has already accomplished what QBs have to accomplish in order to “be in the conversation”.  He did it in his second year.

Mahomes is the best QB in the league imo.  Rodgers is #2.  Josh is up there with Watson and RW.....a tier below Mahomes and Rodgers.....so far.  He hasn’t yet earned being in the conversation with Mahomes based on one great season.  

 

Sorry, but I don’t consider “hard stats” from one season as evidence of whether a QB is better (or equal to another)

 

I’m sorry that I misinterpreted your comment and called you a liar.  I interpreted your comment as Mahomes having 3-4 games at the end of the season in which he had a passer rating under 90....when in fact he only had one.  While you were saying that his average rating over 3-4 games was under 90, in which you were correct.  My bad and I apologize for saying that you were making stuff up.

twisting my words again. I didnt say the stats said Allen was a better qb overall. I said the stats show that it can be argued Allen was better THIS year. And thats not an unreasonable take. One could argue Allen was a better qb than Mahomes this last regular season. Anytime somebody brings that up, people like to try and bend that into  "He's saying Allen is a better qb". Thats the issue here. I know, for me personally, thats not what i'm saying.

 

 

... and thanks for the apology.

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, I’m taking shots at those that are putting Josh on a pedestal when he hasn’t earned it yet.  I’m taking shots at people that are butt hurt about people putting Mahomes on a pedestal.....when Mahomes has earned his spot on the pedestal.  When Josh earns his spot, I’ll be among the first to anoint him.  So many people get butt hurt about the media and social media propping up Mahomes.  Why so mad?  Why not just be happy that our QB is ascending?  Why not just be happy our team made the AFCCG?  I see so much bitterness about another great QB and I just don’t understand why.  I’m not bitter about it.  Why are you?
 

One seasons Mvp voting is not the same thing as voting for who you think is the better QB. You’re comparing apples to oranges here. 

Is it too much to ask for them to be even in their analysis? If you cant see the double standard between the qb's after they both played similar games over the last 2 weeks then you are just tossing your blinders up.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

twisting my words again. I didnt say the stats said Allen was a better qb overall. I said the stats show that it can be argued Allen was better THIS year. And thats not an unreasonable take. One could argue Allen was a better qb than Mahomes this last regular season. Anytime somebody brings that up, people like to try and bend that into  "He's saying Allen is a better qb". Thats the issue here. I know, for me personally, thats not what i'm saying.

 

 

... and thanks for the apology.

Is it too much to ask for them to be even in their analysis? If you cant see the double standard between the qb's after they both played similar games over the last 2 weeks then you are just tossing your blinders up.

maybe I didn’t state my point properly.  I didn’t mean to say that you said allen was a better qb......I’m saying, in general, I don’t consider stats from one season as evidence when considering who’s better or even in the same tier.  My comment wasn’t specifically  about allen vs Mahomes.   It was about one year of stats doesn’t mean anything to me.

 

Regarding Mahomes and Allens last 2 games played.....they both played poorly due to bad OL/Schemes/an over powering pass rush.  I didn’t kill allen for his performance and I don’t expect anyone to kill Mahomes for his. Neither QB stood much of a chance imo.  You were saying that Allens bad game was better than Mahomes’ bad game and I don’t think that that was a fair assessment and said as much.  I didn’t see any mention of 2 passes that hit his WRs in the helmet, in the end zone.  While allen was under a tremendous about of pressure, I thought that Mahomes was under more pressure.  Even with that said, I wouldn’t say Mahomes’ bad performance was better than Josh’s.  They both lost, season over.  Time to move on.

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

maybe I didn’t state my point properly.  I didn’t mean to say that you said allen was a better qb......I’m saying, in general, I don’t consider stats from one season as evidence when considering who’s better or even in the same tier.  My comment wasn’t specifically  about allen vs Mahomes.   It was about one year of stats doesn’t mean anything to me.

 

Regarding Mahomes and Allens last 2 games played.....they both played poorly due to bad OL/Schemes/an over powering pass rush.  I didn’t kill allen for his performance and I don’t expect anyone to kill Mahomes for his. Neither QB stood much of a chance imo.  You were saying that Allens bad game was better than Mahomes’ bad game and I don’t think that that was a fair assessment and said as much.  I didn’t see any mention of 2 passes that hit his WRs in the helmet, in the end zone.  While allen was under a tremendous about of pressure, I thought that Mahomes was under more pressure.  Even with that said, I wouldn’t say Mahomes’ bad performance was better than Josh’s.  They both lost, season over.  Time to move on.

 

 

Never said that. I saw somebody saying it but it wasnt me.... Neither was good. One is getting coddled over it in main stream while the other isnt. Thats my issue. Its not some earth shattering thing. But i just think people that get paid to talk about the sport should be consistent.

 

 

 

and as for you "one year doesnt mean anything" statement. I would hope thats not the case. good lord. This year said a whoolllleeee lot about the qb we have and what we have to look forward to. He very firmly elevated himself with this one single year... We need to see it more than just this season, but this season spoke volumes IMO.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Never said that. I saw somebody saying it but it wasnt me.... Neither was good. One is getting coddled over it in main stream while the other isnt. Thats my issue. Its not some earth shattering thing. But i just think people that get paid to talk about the sport should be consistent.

 

 

 

and as for you "one year doesnt mean anything" statement. I would hope thats not the case. good lord. This year said a whoolllleeee lot about the qb we have and what we have to look forward to. He very firmly elevated himself with this one single year... We need to see it more than just this season, but this season spoke volumes IMO.

And that’s where we differ. I have an issue with you having an issue.  Pat Mahomes is the best player in football according to the world. He had a bad game.  You have an issue with Josh Allen, who’s never accomplished anything other than having a one good season, not getting the same treatment.  He doesn’t deserve the same treatment. He’s not the best player in the league.  Pat is.  That’s why he gets that treatment.  
 

I’m not one to put all of my eggs in one basket based on one season. I don’t think anyone should. This year said a lot.  Last year said a lot about Lamar Jackson.  It said that he’s a helluva player.  This one season did absolutely say a LOT about Josh Allen.  It said, he’s one helluva qb and that his/our future is bright and we should be excited.  This one season doesn’t put him in the conversation with Pat Mahomes as being the best QB in the league.    The guy that has earned his spot at the podium and the worlds coddling. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Never said that. I saw somebody saying it but it wasnt me.... Neither was good. One is getting coddled over it in main stream while the other isnt. Thats my issue. Its not some earth shattering thing. But i just think people that get paid to talk about the sport should be consistent.

 

and as for you "one year doesnt mean anything" statement. I would hope thats not the case. good lord. This year said a whoolllleeee lot about the qb we have and what we have to look forward to. He very firmly elevated himself with this one single year... We need to see it more than just this season, but this season spoke volumes IMO.

 

Coddled, funny you should mention that.  Apparently both Mahomes' fiancee' and his mother were attacking ESPN Sportcenter on Twitter.

Why?  Calling him out for poor play?  Saying he "melted down" or "lost composure"?  Mocking him out?  Inappropriate slurs?  Must be horrid....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-super-bowl-patrick-mahomes-mom-calls-out-refs-on-twitter-tags-tom-bradys-wife-gisele-in-tweet/

https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/brittany-matthews-knocks-espn-over-patrick-mahomes-tweets/

 

No.  Sportscenter shared pictures taken during the game, in which he looks dejected

 

 

 

 

Mahomes girl and his mommy are attacking big bad mean Sportscenter for posting unflattering photos of their boy.   Apparently unflattering photos of a dejected-looking Mahomes are off-bounds.

 

The Mahomes ladies also say he took it all on himself, but in his postgame presser he did call out the OL and WR.  Simms and Florio commented: they were a bit taken aback by it.

 

🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

And that’s where we differ. I have an issue with you having an issue.  Pat Mahomes is the best player in football according to the world. He had a bad game.  You have an issue with Josh Allen, who’s never accomplished anything other than having a one good season, not getting the same treatment.  He doesn’t deserve the same treatment. He’s not the best player in the league.  Pat is.  That’s why he gets that treatment.  
 

I’m not one to put all of my eggs in one basket based on one season. I don’t think anyone should. This year said a lot.  Last year said a lot about Lamar Jackson.  It said that he’s a helluva player.  This one season did absolutely say a LOT about Josh Allen.  It said, he’s one helluva qb and that his/our future is bright and we should be excited.  This one season doesn’t put him in the conversation with Pat Mahomes as being the best QB in the league.    The guy that has earned his spot at the podium and the worlds coddling. 

Its definitely where we differ. How in gods name does anything that happened in the past make you analyze how they played a bad game any different thats ABSURD... neither deserve the coddling and neither deserve to thrown under the bus. Both had a bad game. Both should be analyzed as such. 

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Coddled, funny you should mention that.  Apparently both Mahomes' fiancee' and his mother were attacking ESPN Sportcenter on Twitter.

Why?  Calling him out for poor play?  Saying he "melted down" or "lost composure"?  Mocking him out?  Inappropriate slurs?  Must be horrid....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-super-bowl-patrick-mahomes-mom-calls-out-refs-on-twitter-tags-tom-bradys-wife-gisele-in-tweet/

https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/brittany-matthews-knocks-espn-over-patrick-mahomes-tweets/

 

No.  Sportscenter shared pictures taken during the game, in which he looks dejected

 

 

 

 

Mahomes girl and his mommy are attacking big bad mean Sportscenter for posting unflattering photos of their boy.   Apparently unflattering photos of a dejected-looking Mahomes are off-bounds.

 

The Mahomes ladies also say he took it all on himself, but in his postgame presser he did call out the OL and WR.  Simms and Florio commented: they were a bit taken aback by it.

 

🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

 

 

Sort of like if anyone dare mention that Allen MIGHT have had a better statistical season than Mahomes... Chiefs fans and basically everyone else on the planet have some sort of nuclear meltdown that anyone have the audacity to even hint that there was another qb even close to his level during the regular season. 

 

.... its funny because we bills fans, as a whole, have always been accused of being overly sensitive(and we deserve it), but i dont think i've seen a more triggered/sensitive group of people than Mahomes fans if you mention anybody even came close to his level of play. Straight up toddler temper tantrums over it.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Rico]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Coddled, funny you should mention that.  Apparently both Mahomes' fiancee' and his mother were attacking ESPN Sportcenter on Twitter.

Why?  Calling him out for poor play?  Saying he "melted down" or "lost composure"?  Mocking him out?  Inappropriate slurs?  Must be horrid....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-super-bowl-patrick-mahomes-mom-calls-out-refs-on-twitter-tags-tom-bradys-wife-gisele-in-tweet/

https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/brittany-matthews-knocks-espn-over-patrick-mahomes-tweets/

 

No.  Sportscenter shared pictures taken during the game, in which he looks dejected

 

 

 

 

Mahomes girl and his mommy are attacking big bad mean Sportscenter for posting unflattering photos of their boy.   Apparently unflattering photos of a dejected-looking Mahomes are off-bounds.

 

The Mahomes ladies also say he took it all on himself, but in his postgame presser he did call out the OL and WR.  Simms and Florio commented: they were a bit taken aback by it.

 

🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing the Rat’s ladies don’t read my comments on this board. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Its definitely where we differ. How in gods name does anything that happened in the past make you analyze how they played a bad game any different thats ABSURD... neither deserve the coddling and neither deserve to thrown under the bus. Both had a bad game. Both should be analyzed as such. 

Because one has shown that he can rise to occasion on the biggest of stages.....and one hasn’t even been able to lead his team TO the biggest of stages.  One has had ONE real bad game in his entire career while the other has had many.  
 

You asked.  I gave you the answer.  
 

Continue get pissed because our QB doesn’t get the same treatment in the media as a QB that has earned the special treatment in the media.  I’ll do my best to refrain from giving my opinion on you and others that cry “it’s not fair” anymore.  
 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Because one has shown that he can rise to occasion on the biggest of stages.....and one hasn’t even been able to lead his team TO the biggest of stages.  One has had ONE real bad game in his entire career while the other has had many.  
 

You asked.  I gave you the answer.  
 

Continue get pissed because our QB doesn’t get the same treatment in the media as a QB that has earned the special treatment in the media.  I’ll do my best to refrain from giving my opinion on you and others that cry “it’s not fair” anymore.  
 

 

A bad game is a bad game. i love how you can somehow judge me on my even keeled take on the desire that qb's be called out for bad or good play regardless on their past. i'm being so unreasonable right??? ......bro you need to drop the judgy know it all act. its just not very becoming.... good talk. have a nice day.... good call on not giving opinions on one another. 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Because one has shown that he can rise to occasion on the biggest of stages.....and one hasn’t even been able to lead his team TO the biggest of stages.  One has had ONE real bad game in his entire career while the other has had many.  
 

You asked.  I gave you the answer. 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but it's this kind of exaggeration about Mahomes that has me rolling my eyeballs until I look like a "toon".

 

Mahomes was drafted onto a very good team that was posting winning records and seeing playoffs most years before he arrived.  So there was talent enough on the team to win without him carrying them.  He is undoubtedly a great player and has elevated that very good team to great.

 

One real bad game in his entire career though?  C'mon man.  Yes, Mahomes has had other bad games, games where he threw multiple picks and no TDs and/or low completion percentage and not many passing yards and took nearly 40 yds of sacks and maybe KC won, maybe it lost but it wasn't on what Mahomes did.

 

He's a great player, again, but let's not say stupid stuff that's just inaccurate.

[LabattBlue]

I didn't see many shots of Mahomes on Sunday doing his stupid tilted head thing.  Is it a tic that only happens when KC is winning?  😂 

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't know about anyone else, but it's this kind of exaggeration about Mahomes that has me rolling my eyeballs until I look like a "toon".

 

Mahomes was drafted onto a very good team that was posting winning records and seeing playoffs most years before he arrived.  So there was talent enough on the team to win without him carrying them.  He is undoubtedly a great player and has elevated that very good team to great.

 

One real bad game in his entire career though?  C'mon man.  Yes, Mahomes has had other bad games, games where he threw multiple picks and no TDs and/or low completion percentage and not many passing yards and took nearly 40 yds of sacks and maybe KC won, maybe it lost but it wasn't on what Mahomes did.

 

He's a great player, again, but let's not say stupid stuff that's just inaccurate.

I said he’s had 1 “real bad game”.....that may be stupid and inaccurate based on how YOU would determine what a REAL BAD GAME is.  Not me.  There’s a reason I included the term “real bad”.  I used it because it’s worse than a bad game.  Please don’t act like the word isn’t there and there is no difference between the two terms.  

 

the 6th game of starting career vs Jacksonville, a game where the chiefs won 30-14.  He went 22-38 358 0 TDs 2 ints. 4 rushes 13 yards 1 TD.  That was the worst qb rating he’s had at 62.7 (other than the SB).  Is that a “real bad game”?  Or is that a real bad game for Patrick Mahomes.  It’s certainly not a good game.  Bad....maybe.  I wouldn’t consider it a real bad game.

year two, he had 1 game under 80 passer rating- 72 passer rating.  @ chargers a 24-17 KC win.  19-32 192 1td 1 int. 5 rushes for 59 yards.  Real bad game?  
 

This year.....other than the super bowl, he had one game with a rating under 80....his rating that game was 79.5 and they won 17-14.  22-44 278 2td 1 int. 3 rushes 21 yards.  again.....is that a REAL BAD GAME? For Pat Mahomes.....maybe it is.  It’s the 4th worst game of his career.

If you think those games were real bad..... than you’re holding Pat Mahomes to a higher standard.  

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MahoPa00/gamelog/

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

A bad game is a bad game. i love how you can somehow judge me on my even keeled take on the desire that qb's be called out for bad or good play regardless on their past. i'm being so unreasonable right??? ......bro you need to drop the judgy know it all act. its just not very becoming.... good talk. have a nice day.... good call on not giving opinions on one another. 

Good talk, have a nice day.....concluded with a pot shot last word, just like the rest of your comments.  Not very becoming.  

[Zerovoltz]

On 2/8/2021 at 8:39 AM, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

@Zerovoltzis a pretty respectable troll on the Bills forum and was one of the few who actually saw the talent in Josh Allen.  That said, he, like other arrogant Chef's fan, was served up a hot dish of humble pie this week (just as we were two weeks ago).

Yeah.....I'm here today to have my crow with Buffalo sauce.....been over at the Denver board eating Denver Omlet Crow........this sucks.

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Yeah.....I'm here today to have my crow with Buffalo sauce.....been over at the Denver board eating Denver Omlet Crow........this sucks.

 

Hey.. there has been some discussion in this thread that you used to be a Bills fan before the Mahomes draft .. is that really the case?

 

I was sure you said you have been a Chiefs fan for quite  a while on Chiefs Planet...

Edited February 10, 2021 by Aussie Joe

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

13 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Yeah.....I'm here today to have my crow with Buffalo sauce.....been over at the Denver board eating Denver Omlet Crow........this sucks.

 

What your defense did to us basically happened to you; almost deja vuish!  O-Lines weren't up to the task!

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Coddled, funny you should mention that.  Apparently both Mahomes' fiancee' and his mother were attacking ESPN Sportcenter on Twitter.

Why?  Calling him out for poor play?  Saying he "melted down" or "lost composure"?  Mocking him out?  Inappropriate slurs?  Must be horrid....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-super-bowl-patrick-mahomes-mom-calls-out-refs-on-twitter-tags-tom-bradys-wife-gisele-in-tweet/

https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/brittany-matthews-knocks-espn-over-patrick-mahomes-tweets/

 

No.  Sportscenter shared pictures taken during the game, in which he looks dejected

 

 

 

 

Mahomes girl and his mommy are attacking big bad mean Sportscenter for posting unflattering photos of their boy.   Apparently unflattering photos of a dejected-looking Mahomes are off-bounds.

 

The Mahomes ladies also say he took it all on himself, but in his postgame presser he did call out the OL and WR.  Simms and Florio commented: they were a bit taken aback by it.

 

🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the poor widdle baby had a huwt toe. Just ask Tony Romo. 

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

But the poor widdle baby had a huwt toe. Just ask Tony Romo. 

Ugh. I’m normally a fan of Romo, but at the end of the game when he said Brady has “always done things the RIGHT WAY”...I nearly sprained my eyeballs rolling them so hard. Like...are we just gonna pretend that he DIDN’T get suspended for cheating and ISN’T a poor sport who often leaves the field without shaking hands with the other team when he loses? 🙄