Did D. Williams Make a LOT of $ Tonight?

[appoo]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

In order of priority re-signing in the offseason:

 

1) Williams

 

2) Feliciano

 

3) Milano

 

It may come down to re-signing the OL pieces and then making a decision on Milano or Brown.

 

 

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  Allen is good enough where they might not need anything but an average running game to win football games. Feliciano, to me, is a luxury player. He’s an average pass pro but plus Run

blocker. I wouldn’t resign him, but rather let Ford and Ryan Bates - both of whom played tackle at college so came into the league as pass protection lineman - have a shot at unseating Winters and Boetger at those guard spots and maybe signing a vet minimum, while also investing a mid round pick .

So I’m the Bills, put money at LT/RT/C, but underpay at guard and RB.

 

Defensively, that’s tough. You can get away with average DEs if you have elite athletes at linebacker, or with Klein, a quality blitzer. Hughes is going to be a huge question mark. There’s almost no way Addison comes back with his 10M cap hit, that’s gonna be Epenesa. Because of that I think Milano is integral to the success of the defense - if you’re going or underinvest at DE, then your backers need to make up for it with pressure and coverage 

[Victory Formation]

Williams and Feliciano need to be re-signed and I’m sure it’ll happen.. Quite a few underperformers that are being paid handsomely not to.. We can clear up $30M - $40M easily..

 

Question I have, will Morse be here next year? He’s getting paid quite a bit and he’s injury prone.. but there is no doubt that he’s a solid center.. Where does Ford fit into all of this? We obviously need more production, especially in the run department..

 

Do you cut Morse and move Feliciano to center? He seems to get more push in the run game.. I think that’s the logical thing to do.. Take that money from Morse and give it to Williams/Feliciano.. Draft a road grading guard to plug into RG.. Pray that Ford picks it up a notch or two at LG.. Should see some pretty decent improvements in the run game..

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  Allen is good enough where they might not need anything but an average running game to win football games. Feliciano, to me, is a luxury player. He’s an average pass pro but plus Run

blocker. I wouldn’t resign him, but rather let Ford and Ryan Bates - both of whom played tackle at college so came into the league as pass protection lineman - have a shot at unseating Winters and Boetger at those guard spots and maybe signing a vet minimum, while also investing a mid round pick .

So I’m the Bills, put money at LT/RT/C, but underpay at guard and RB.

 

Defensively, that’s tough. You can get away with average DEs if you have elite athletes at linebacker, or with Klein, a quality blitzer. Hughes is going to be a huge question mark. There’s almost no way Addison comes back with his 10M cap hit, that’s gonna be Epenesa. Because of that I think Milano is integral to the success of the defense - if you’re going or underinvest at DE, then your backers need to make up for it with pressure and coverage 

For me, how they see Ford is key here. If they think he can play RT, then let DW walk after making a decent offer. If not, you might need to pony up for Williams and let Milano and Mongo go. I think that's the order of importance anyway (Williams, Milano, Feliciano)  but I do expect Beane to offer each of them contracts that work with what he has figured for our cap. I think if we can keep one guy a right side of Ford and Williams is stronger than Mongo and Ford. Bates or a player to be added later can fill in with backup C duties.

[JoshAllenReceipts]

Phenomenal Pass Blocker. 

 

6'5", 335 pounds, 35" Arms. Mass, girth, length. The Power Rush never works on him. Can't go through him, have to try and get around him, which takes too much time and opens up throwing lanes. Gettleman has a great eye for OL talent, stealing him in the 4th round.

 

This dude must be resigned. Allen excels at moving to his right and this guy consistently provides Allen with lots of space on that right side with his ability to set the Width of the Pocket.

 

Daryl Williams is the Bills Right Tackle of the future. Pure stud.

 

Pay that man!!

Edited December 14, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  Allen is good enough where they might not need anything but an average running game to win football games. Feliciano, to me, is a luxury player. He’s an average pass pro but plus Run

blocker. I wouldn’t resign him, but rather let Ford and Ryan Bates - both of whom played tackle at college so came into the league as pass protection lineman - have a shot at unseating Winters and Boetger at those guard spots and maybe signing a vet minimum, while also investing a mid round pick .

So I’m the Bills, put money at LT/RT/C, but underpay at guard and RB.

 

Defensively, that’s tough. You can get away with average DEs if you have elite athletes at linebacker, or with Klein, a quality blitzer. Hughes is going to be a huge question mark. There’s almost no way Addison comes back with his 10M cap hit, that’s gonna be Epenesa. Because of that I think Milano is integral to the success of the defense - if you’re going or underinvest at DE, then your backers need to make up for it with pressure and coverage 

 

Don't disagree with much here.  I do think Allen is absolutely lethal with any semblance of time, so OL is top priority to me, along with WR... I believe we have our priorities in the right place with focusing on OL/WR and making due with average RB's/TE's.  

 

On defense, we have plenty of defensive line cuts we can make if we want to free up money for Milano.  You mentioned Addison, then there's also Butler & Jefferson.

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Don't disagree with much here.  I do think Allen is absolutely lethal with any semblance of time, so OL is top priority to me, along with WR... I believe we have our priorities in the right place with focusing on OL/WR and making due with average RB's/TE's.  

 

On defense, we have plenty of defensive line cuts we can make if we want to free up money for Milano.  You mentioned Addison, then there's also Butler & Jefferson.

 

Think you're right about the DLine

 

in 21, cutting Addison nets you 6M, cutting Butler (who's actually been playing a lot better) nets you 6.8M. Cutting Jefferson saves you 5M but 'd strongly consider keeping him, due to his versatility. He's a good pass rusher, and can also play a big DE for run D.

 

Jerry Hughes, I think is a candidate for restructure + extend. He looks like he still has a few years in the tank, even at 32. The Bills have an out year after 220, and can save 7.5M by cutting him....but I'd rather them restructure and extend him to 2024. Give him a nice 5M signing bonus and a 2M salary on top of that and it keeps his cap hit under 4M, and you get to keep a pretty productive DE.  At 32, I'm not sure he'd get a better deal than that in the open market.

 

[bobobonators]

45 minutes ago, appoo said:

It was interesting to not that the Bills did hit on a single one of Allen’s deep balls last night. Allen is having to play at an elite level because teams don’t have to respect the Bills deep game right now. 
 

This offense badly misses Smoke, and with him the Bills probably put that game away in the first half.

 

This isn’t to say you keep him at the expense of a good looking RT, but rather just be careful, if you’re the bills, about cashing in on the cap savings from cutting Brown 

The opportunity was there without smoke. Allen missed Davis which wouldve been a TD. 
 

[davefan66]

Had a great game last night. Won a lot of one on one matchups.  
 

Great arm length.  Good balance.  Doesn’t get overpowered much, strong dude.

 

Not sure how he does so well on pass blocking, but seems to get in the right place.  His feet look slow and aren’t smooth/fluid, kinda choppy. Can’t complain, has done a nice job.

[starrymessenger]

He's for sure going to get paid, hopefully he stays. Whether he stays or goes it's great to see a player come back from injury and play at a high level. He's surprisingly quick for a big man. The motion call yesterday was the correct call. He was just a micro second too fast but he's been beating the snap all year. Another former Panther who I think has been coming on is Butler. People here don't seem to like him and I don't know if the dollars will work out but I see him as another guy who was pretty much kicked to the curb but Beane and Coach knew better.

[JohnNord]

12 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Shut down Watt, mostly on his own. Showcase-type performance late in a contract year. 

 

That young man is going to get PAID, no?

He’s had a very good year and offensive line play seems to be in decline, so he’d still probably get paid with an average performance vs Watts.  But yeah his work last night will earn him a few more millions 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 hours ago, Virgil said:

Yeah, we need to bring him back.  It sucks the cap is possibly going down. 
 

I want Milano and Williams back and then write the blank check to Allen the following year 

 

Are you forgetting Feleciano? 

 

The Bills have a pretty long list of upcoming FA this offseason, many who are key contributors in one manner or another,

 

Both Wallace and Norman

There are only three offensive lineman signed for next year;  Bates, Dawson, and Morse who potentially could be cut

Kroft; say what you want about him or Knox, but the team will need a #2 pass catching TE from someplace.  Possibly they sign a #1 TE but one way or another slot to sign

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 hour ago, davefan66 said:

Had a great game last night. Won a lot of one on one matchups.  
 

Great arm length.  Good balance.  Doesn’t get overpowered much, strong dude.

 

Not sure how he does so well on pass blocking, but seems to get in the right place.  His feet look slow and aren’t smooth/fluid, kinda choppy. Can’t complain, has done a nice job.

 

Slow feet doesn't really matter when you're Short-Setting with 35" arms at 6'5" 335 pounds. He blocks out the sun with his length and massive frame. Plus, EDGE defenders are taught to contain Allen in the pocket versus rushing up the field. He doesn't face speed rushes too often because that EDGE has to contain and stay in front of Allen.

[NickelCity]

3 hours ago, appoo said:

Allen is getting to the point where he’s good enough to paper over holes on the offensive side. 
 

I wouldn’t invest in plus players at 4/5 players on the OLine.  

 

The only QBs that have sustained success in such scenarios get the ball out immediately to short routes. It would be hampering so much of our offensive to go that route. Skimp on OL at your own peril.

[Rc2catch]

Williams is gonna get 14-18 million on the open market probably, even with the cap going down. Guy did exactly what he needed to do here. Stayed healthy, won the RT job and is playing at an all pro level like he did years ago in Carolina. I would love to have him back but I have to imagine his agent is going to want top 5 RT money and I’m not sure Beane will invest that heavily. Feliciano has a much better shot of getting a decent contract imo 

[BearNorth]

3 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Had a great game last night. Won a lot of one on one matchups.  
 

Great arm length.  Good balance.  Doesn’t get overpowered much, strong dude.

 

Not sure how he does so well on pass blocking, but seems to get in the right place.  His feet look slow and aren’t smooth/fluid, kinda choppy. Can’t complain, has done a nice job.

He was taking Watt wide and deep most of the night, not many players in this league have done that over the past four years.  Watt barely got close to Josh.

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, appoo said:

 

Jerry Hughes, I think is a candidate for restructure + extend. He looks like he still has a few years in the tank, even at 32. The Bills have an out year after 220, and can save 7.5M by cutting him....but I'd rather them restructure and extend him to 2024. Give him a nice 5M signing bonus and a 2M salary on top of that and it keeps his cap hit under 4M, and you get to keep a pretty productive DE.  At 32, I'm not sure he'd get a better deal than that in the open market.

 

 

He has $2.1M to carry forward to 2021 from his last signing bonus...

 

Cant see them keeping his cap hit under $7Mil next year even with a restructure..

[Mr. K]

I personally thought he came off the line early on the majority of his snaps and was surprised he only got 1 flag for it. The o-line has been doing a great job in pass protection to say the least. 

[Maynard]

8 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Williams and Feliciano need to be re-signed and I’m sure it’ll happen.. Quite a few underperformers that are being paid handsomely not to.. We can clear up $30M - $40M easily..

 

Question I have, will Morse be here next year? He’s getting paid quite a bit and he’s injury prone.. but there is no doubt that he’s a solid center.. Where does Ford fit into all of this? We obviously need more production, especially in the run department..

 

Do you cut Morse and move Feliciano to center? He seems to get more push in the run game.. I think that’s the logical thing to do.. Take that money from Morse and give it to Williams/Feliciano.. Draft a road grading guard to plug into RG.. Pray that Ford picks it up a notch or two at LG.. Should see some pretty decent improvements in the run game..

That’s the question I posed earlier. Can we cut Morse easily next year? I’d surely do that if it means we can keep both Williams and Feliciano. 

[Victory Formation]

53 minutes ago, Maynard said:

That’s the question I posed earlier. Can we cut Morse easily next year? I’d surely do that if it means we can keep both Williams and Feliciano. 

My friend, I think not only can we cut Morse next year but we should. There is an out in his contract, a $2M cap hit and $9M in savings. Sign Feliciano to a 3yr $21M dollar deal and plug him in at center. Take that extra $2M from cutting Morse and put it towards a Daryl Williams extension. Find a true road grading guard to put in on that right side and we should see Singletary and Moss put up some decent numbers. Pray Ford comes along.

[Saint Doug]

There’s a bit too much “let’s cut morse” on here for comfort. The guys does his job when he’s playing. I get that he’s injured a lot, but where would this team be if Feliciano was started and got injured. Bates? Then we’d be hurting. We’d be too thin without Morse. I’d say Williams needs to be paid, but not for the cost of an average LT. I would start negotiations at $9M. He’s current making $2.25M.