Saints to start Taysom Hill over Jameis Winston

[jlgarsh]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

as a saints season ticket holder I’m more invested in his success than anyone here. And like having the guy on the team. 
 

he played a good game from a backup qb.
 

but that TD called back was very much underthrown.... and if giving him credit for plays called back can I take off credit for that deep ball where the punter could’ve gotten it there more accurately? Late and behind are common issues he’s had and those were still on display today.

 

wasnt a peterman fan - didn’t think he had the arm no matter what college or pre-season stats were or what a good guy he is 

 

enjoyed fitz- didn’t think he or that season with the fast start was sustainable because of skill concerns 
 

like taysom a lot as a player, but not as a franchise qb. 

He’s Kordell Stewart 2020. But I think Kodell was a much better passer. He floated some that were badly under thrown. I think his arm is weaker than Brees, even though Brees doesn’t throw deep much at all anymore.

[Buftex]

On 11/20/2020 at 3:15 PM, TBBills said:

Hill is to Payton what Peterman was to MCDermott.

Payton's Peterman > McDermotts' Peterman

[TBBills]

Just now, Buftex said:

Payton's Peterman > McDermotts' Peterman

Ok... 

[Punching Bag]

13 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

He’s Kordell Stewart 2020. But I think Kodell was a much better passer. He floated some that were badly under thrown. I think his arm is weaker than Brees, even though Brees doesn’t throw deep much at all anymore.

 

That is exactly what I suggested - make him a slash quarterback to make defense have to adjust to possibilities in back field but let crab legs be primary QB.

[Buftex]

11 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

Probably not the most accurate comparison since Hill's been in the league for some time now.

 

Not sure most saw this coming and will be interesting to if it continues or a fluke.

Yeah, I know...I was just playing with TBBills comparison.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

You don't necessarily have to hate a player to think he doesn't have what it takes to play in the NFL.  Hill isn't in the AFC, much less AFC East, and he doesn't get into trouble or make controversial statements, so there's no reason to hate him.

I don't think anyone can say he doesn't have what it takes to make it in the NFL because they haven't seen him play QB in the NFL. So that opinion is just kind of strange to me.

 

But I guess people make judgements about players all the time without giving them much of a chance to prove it one way or the other.

 

I just remember in college he was a pretty electric player both throwing and running it. He just got hurt all the time.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Not really impressed. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

On 11/20/2020 at 11:15 AM, Bangarang said:

I’ll never understand Payton’s massive hard on for Hill

I fully understand it since mine is harder for him

[MAJBobby]

Most points I have ever gotten out of a TE. And only 4500 on FanDuel allowing me to make some Christmas shopping cash. 

[Nitro]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

OK, I'm not prepared to eat a crow pie on Taysom Hill just yet.  I'd like to see him face a better team first, and I only saw pieces of the game

But I will roll out a pie crust and have it ready to go in the freezer.

 

He generated far more passing offense than I thought he would

 

NO defense is FIERCE though

 

 

 

 

Hill played well.  Payton put him in good position to succeed.  Your point is spot on.  See how he does against a better defense. 

[Billsfan1972]

9 hours ago, Nitro said:

Hill played well.  Payton put him in good position to succeed.  Your point is spot on.  See how he does against a better defense. 

Some people just hate to admit they were wrong.....  

 

78% completion % (including a drop), 50 yards rushing & 2 TD's....  Yet some find fault in it.....  Wow....

 

Proper coaching, weapons around him, good position to be in, not sure why anyone is surprised.

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Billsfan1972

[McGahee]

On 11/20/2020 at 10:49 AM, Process said:

Sean Payton is such a clown. 

 

You have to think this is them feeling pressure to justify giving a gadget player $20M. If contracts were reversed any chance they start Hill? No way. 

Also just to be clear... I think winston is awful and has no business starting in the NFL. But Taysom Hill????? I mean come on.

This aged well...

[Process]

22 minutes ago, McGahee said:

This aged well...

Haha

 

Did you watch the game? They played the falcons. The falcons scored 9 points. 

 

They didn't win because of taysom hill lmao. He looked aa expected, not an NFL qb. 

 

Wait until he plays a real team . Lucky for the saints, that won't happen for a while, they play the broncos and falcons again the next two weeks. 

[McGahee]

The ol' "real team" argument...lol

[Jerome007]

He has barely played as a pure NFL QB yet people expect him to be good right off the bat?

 

I like to watch him play as he is entertaining. Is he starting QB caliber? No clue, but I too don't get all the vitriol sent his way.

 

Sure the offense was simplified for him and all that, but it is for most young or backup QBs until they gain experience. How surprising...

[QLBillsFan]

Pretty clear good move to start him over JW. That’s all that matters to Saints. He would be a big addition to any team. SP is a smug guy but credit to him on TH. 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Haha

 

Did you watch the game? They played the falcons. The falcons scored 9 points. 

 

They didn't win because of taysom hill lmao. He looked aa expected, not an NFL qb. 

 

Wait until he plays a real team . Lucky for the saints, that won't happen for a while, they play the broncos and falcons again the next two weeks. 

Yes I did.....18-23 (one drop) for 230 (225 through 3), 50 yards rushing & 2 TDs (another called back).....  You're really nit-picking to find fault.

[QLBillsFan]

It’s not Saints responsibility to compare TH to all NFL qb’s. They wisely played him over JW in this game. I think he’s a weapon. In the beginning I thought it was silly. But SP pulling a first ballot HF qb in certain situations is pretty bold. And it’s paying off!

[Nitro]

9 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Some people just hate to admit they were wrong.....  

 

78% completion % (including a drop), 50 yards rushing & 2 TD's....  Yet some find fault in it.....  Wow....

 

Proper coaching, weapons around him, good position to be in, not sure why anyone is surprised.

 

 

 

I was one who said he would succeed.  

[Billsfan1972]

50 minutes ago, Nitro said:

I was one who said he would succeed.  

I saw no reason that he couldn't either.

 

Most here seemed quite skeptical....

[Nitro]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I saw no reason that he couldn't either.

 

Most here seemed quite skeptical....

I saw that too.  

[Thurman#1]

On 11/23/2020 at 7:35 AM, MJS said:

Hill threw it a lot in college. He has been used as a gadget player in the NFL. But I don't see why some think he can't throw it. I thought he threw the ball pretty well, minus a few bad decisions.

 

Before this game he had barely thrown it at all in the NFL. I don't see why he is such a polarizing player. Some people seem to hate him for no reason.

 

My only issue with him is he is already 30 years old. He isn't the long term answer once Brees retires. If he was 25 it would look like a real possibility.

 

 

Chris Simms said as far back as last season that he thinks Hill is being groomed as their next QB. He said if it didn't work out that it wouldn't hurt the Saints so badly since he can be a gadget guy as a fallback.

 

But that he thought that Payton was confident he could put together an offense that Taysom could win in.

 

Made sense to me.

 

The age is indeed a drawback but perhaps not a deathstroke.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, Process said:

Haha

 

Did you watch the game? They played the falcons. The falcons scored 9 points. 

 

They didn't win because of taysom hill lmao. He looked aa expected, not an NFL qb. 

 

Wait until he plays a real team . Lucky for the saints, that won't happen for a while, they play the broncos and falcons again the next two weeks. 

 

 

It's not Hill's problem the Falcons scored nine. His own offense scored 24 in his first game as a starter. Respectable. A decent start, though certainly he still has a lot to prove.

[MJS]

14 hours ago, Process said:

Haha

 

Did you watch the game? They played the falcons. The falcons scored 9 points. 

 

They didn't win because of taysom hill lmao. He looked aa expected, not an NFL qb. 

 

Wait until he plays a real team . Lucky for the saints, that won't happen for a while, they play the broncos and falcons again the next two weeks. 

I watched him. I though he did pretty well. He had some bad plays to be sure, but also some really good ones. He had a few passes that were right on the money that had me thinking he could play QB in this league.

 

It was his first time playing QB since college, pretty much. I'm sure there is some rust there throwing the ball, even.

 

I really don't understand the hate. But then again, I didn't with with Josh Allen either. Some people just choose a hill to die on, I suppose.

[TonyBeets]

I watched the game and Taysom Hill played well against the falcons.  I also think that Jameis Winston in that offense would outplay Brees.

[C.Biscuit97]

He played alright but he’s not a starting nfl qb over the course of the season.  The Saints are a great team. Nice gimmick player though.

 

and that TE BS cost me a a fantasy game!!!

Edited November 24, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He played alright but he’s not a starting nfl qb over the course of the season.  The Saints are a great team. Nice gimmick player though.

 

and that TE BS cost me a a fantasy game!!!

What a load.....  Did nothing wrong (I guess he did fumble) and went up and down the field.  

 

Looking for negatives.....  Geez reminds me of how people judged a certain Josh Allen the first two years.

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

What a load.....  Did nothing wrong (I guess he did fumble) and went up and down the field.  

 

Looking for negatives.....  Geez reminds me of how people judged a certain Josh Allen the first two years.

also reminds me what a certain someone here does with the coaching staff when he doesn't get what he wants.

[C.Biscuit97]

33 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

What a load.....  Did nothing wrong (I guess he did fumble) and went up and down the field.  

 

Looking for negatives.....  Geez reminds me of how people judged a certain Josh Allen the first two years.

 

33 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

What a load.....  Did nothing wrong (I guess he did fumble) and went up and down the field.  

 

Looking for negatives.....  Geez reminds me of how people judged a certain Josh Allen the first two years.

The Falcons are the 2nd worst pass defense in the nfl. His longest pass looked like a punt.  
 

and I’ve been tough on Allen but he was a much better prospect.  He has a cannon and speed. Hill is like a rb playing qb. Oh and he’s like Brady’s age. 
 

payton is a great coach and props for getting him ready to play.  But he would be terrible if he has to start a full season.  He’s like a much, much worse version of Lamar. 
 

and I had the stats wrong. The Falcons give up 406 yards per game and 300 yards passing.  They are an awful defense. 

Edited November 24, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[Billsfan1972]

45 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

The Falcons are the 2nd worst pass defense in the nfl. His longest pass looked like a punt.  
 

and I’ve been tough on Allen but he was a much better prospect.  He has a cannon and speed. Hill is like a rb playing qb. Oh and he’s like Brady’s age. 
 

payton is a great coach and props for getting him ready to play.  But he would be terrible if he has to start a full season.  He’s like a much, much worse version of Lamar. 
 

and I had the stats wrong. The Falcons give up 406 yards per game and 300 yards passing.  They are an awful defense. 

We know your defense of Lamar.....  Hill did not even attempt a pass in the 4th quarter, thus was well on his way to 300 through 3.  Talk about looking for excuses.  I don't know how good he is (or can be), but for one game he was better then good.....  Atl has played a very tough schedule and some of the best QB's in the NFL.....  

 

53 minutes ago, teef said:

also reminds me what a certain someone here does with the coaching staff when he doesn't get what he wants.

What does coaching have to do with it.....  Oh yea, if the Bills had Payton, their offense and Allen would be better (and much better in 2018 & 2019 too).....  

 

Yes in McD we trust.....🤩 

[NoSaint]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's not Hill's problem the Falcons scored nine. His own offense scored 24 in his first game as a starter. Respectable. A decent start, though certainly he still has a lot to prove.

it’s not his fault but certainly to his advantage as it takes a great deal of pressure off

[NoSaint]

52 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

The Falcons are the 2nd worst pass defense in the nfl. His longest pass looked like a punt.  
 

and I’ve been tough on Allen but he was a much better prospect.  He has a cannon and speed. Hill is like a rb playing qb. Oh and he’s like Brady’s age. 
 

payton is a great coach and props for getting him ready to play.  But he would be terrible if he has to start a full season.  He’s like a much, much worse version of Lamar. 
 

and I had the stats wrong. The Falcons give up 406 yards per game and 300 yards passing.  They are an awful defense. 

yup. He did everything you’d ask of a backup and got a break in his biggest play. 
 

It’s one of those process vs results things. His stat line was solid, but there were red flags consistent with his resume on display. I wouldn’t suddenly think Barkley is a starter if he beats the jets with a nice stat line. 

[teef]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

 

 

What does coaching have to do with it.....  Oh yea, if the Bills had Payton, their offense and Allen would be better (and much better in 2018 & 2019 too).....  

 

Yes in McD we trust.....🤩 

you don't know that at all.   for some reason you just don't want to admit that allen needed to get better for this offense to click.  

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

you don't know that at all.   for some reason you just don't want to admit that allen needed to get better for this offense to click.  

Called an opinion.  Seeing what Payton accomplished with Hill in his first start further tells me that McD's philosophy held him back.  Also see Justin Herbert....

 

Again jmho.....

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Called an opinion.  Seeing what Payton accomplished with Hill in his first start further tells me that McD's philosophy held him back.  Also see Justin Herbert....

 

Again jmho.....

fair enough.  i just think allen had a different learning curve than others for a number of reasons.  we all knew his success wouldn't likely be immediate.  

[NoSaint]

10 minutes ago, teef said:

fair enough.  i just think allen had a different learning curve than others for a number of reasons.  we all knew his success wouldn't likely be immediate.  

saying that hill had a good game isn’t fair enough in that comparison. 

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, teef said:

fair enough.  i just think allen had a different learning curve than others for a number of reasons.  we all knew his success wouldn't likely be immediate.  

Not with the line & receivers they started him with.  I just hated the conservative play calling through McD's first three seasons, and we know his eye for offensive talent (i.e. Peterman)......😉😜

[Thurman#1]

 

 

6 hours ago, NoSaint said:

it’s not his fault but certainly to his advantage as it takes a great deal of pressure off

 

 

Well, yeah, but that's kind of what defenses are supposed to do. Using the defense to attack Taysom Hill is ridiculous.

 

If you want to attack him, do it for his performance, not because some other group of guys is doing their job well. Did you attack Josh Allen last year when the defense played well? People did, and it made no more sense then.

 

Hill played really well. The offense scored 24 points. There should be mostly good things to say about that game. Sure, as I said, he's still got a huge amount to prove. But so far so very good.

 

 

6 hours ago, teef said:

also reminds me what a certain someone here does with the coaching staff when he doesn't get what he wants.

 

 

Yup. Precisely. But it's like talking ... well, this isn't much of a metaphor but it's like talking to someone who doesn't get it.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Thurman#1

[NoSaint]

That screen was text book on the late decision making. Those red flags will likely continue. 

 

he is fun to watch against a struggling team and backed by that defense... but boy would it go south in a shootout. 

On 11/24/2020 at 5:37 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

 

Well, yeah, but that's kind of what defenses are supposed to do. Using the defense to attack Taysom Hill is ridiculous.

 

If you want to attack him, do it for his performance, not because some other group of guys is doing their job well. Did you attack Josh Allen last year when the defense played well? People did, and it made no more sense then.

If that’s an attack, pillow fights must be terrifying.

 

saying that he wasn’t asked to do a lot and it was low pressure isn’t an attack. It’s just context.

[NoSaint]

Taysom just doubled his passing yards on that completion - 4/7 with 6 yards now