John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 PFF is a ***** clownshow You know that they are secretly hoping Josh has a bad game to make their "system:" more believable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Their system on Quarterbacks isn't what I would call "Josh friendly" it is "safe" friendly. I don't love that but their system is consistent. What explains ranking a cornerback 18th who allowed zero touchdowns and led the league in interceptions and was second in QBR-against while playing on the third best pass defense in football? And it's weird, because they loved Tre his rookie year, and I've watched the tape -- it's not like he's declined. The only thing I can see is that he sometimes plays a sort of prevent d where he'll let a receiver get a quick catch on the sideline when nowhere near the end zone. But even that doesn't happen all that often. Are they suggesting that quarterbacks and OCs are just not noticing that he's blowing coverages and a mass hysteria has them avoiding throwing in Tre's direction? You mentioned it's subjective and it's hard not to argue that when it comes to the Bills, for whatever reason, they seem to let their subjectivity all fall in one direction. And there's a very good reason they would do that -- we have a very volatile fanbase who will get angry and respond when we feel hurt. This makes for drama and that's good for their business. I get that I may be wrong, but it's become hard to dismiss that they are always off in one direction when it comes to the Bills over the last few years. It annoys me more b/c I actually love PFF in theory, and for some positions where there are no stats, like offensive linemen, it's a chance to get a feel for how the player is progressing. However, when it's presenting Tre's season last year as mediocre-to-good and Allen's outstanding game yesterday as so-so and well below Darnold's losing effort, they lose credibility and it renders all their possibly useful info tainted -- at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Poor Football Focus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 You would think that Mike Florio owns PFF instead of Chris Collinsworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, section122 said: Not PFF but I love this article. Seriously take 5 minutes and give it a read with the benefit of hindsight! If Josh Allen succeeds, the Bills will have outsmarted basically all regular humans and the entirety of math itself "If this works, then stats really are for losers, I guess." Stats are for losers. Point proven in 2020. Their stats make a strong case that Mason Rudolph is better than Allen Edited September 21, 2020 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, thurst44 said: What explains ranking a cornerback 18th who allowed zero touchdowns and led the league in interceptions and was second in QBR-against while playing on the third best pass defense in football? And it's weird, because they loved Tre his rookie year, and I've watched the tape -- it's not like he's declined. The only thing I can see is that he sometimes plays a sort of prevent d where he'll let a receiver get a quick catch on the sideline when nowhere near the end zone. But even that doesn't happen all that often. Are they suggesting that quarterbacks and OCs are just not noticing that he's blowing coverages and a mass hysteria has them avoiding throwing in Tre's direction? You mentioned it's subjective and it's hard not to argue that when it comes to the Bills, for whatever reason, they seem to let their subjectivity all fall in one direction. And there's a very good reason they would do that -- we have a very volatile fanbase who will get angry and respond when we feel hurt. This makes for drama and that's good for their business. I get that I may be wrong, but it's become hard to dismiss that they are always off in one direction when it comes to the Bills over the last few years. It annoys me more b/c I actually love PFF in theory, and for some positions where there are no stats, like offensive linemen, it's a chance to get a feel for how the player is progressing. However, when it's presenting Tre's season last year as mediocre-to-good and Allen's outstanding game yesterday as so-so and well below Darnold's losing effort, they lose credibility and it renders all their possibly useful info tainted -- at least to me. With Tre it is that to earn their really high grades you need to be making plays on the ball. Tre could play every coverage perfectly but if the ball is never thrown his way (and it rarely was) then he isn't gonna get the top marks. That is why I say their grading system is far from perfect, but it isn't useless either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, VW82 said: Yeah this one seems fishy. There were definitely plays where you could knock him like the misses on 3rd down, an almost INT, and an almost fumble. But ultimately he made too many big time throws and scored too much to have him that far back. "almost plays" dont actually count......you realize that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I'de love to actually watch them grade someone for a full game. I like PFF because it is useful data. It's just not facts, it's an opinion. There are multiple people grading multiple players, so you'll get different grades from different people on the same player if you know what I mean. 1 guy might grade Allen higher than another guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 It's like a classical physics vs. quantum mechanics thing. PFF is stuck in classical physics - using all these 'known' variables to try to distill a player down to a single "score". Quantum mechanics would say you have to lean towards other things. I mean - that list (if Sal typed it in order) has Darnold ahead of Mahomes. Really? Besides, who the heck should care about a 1 week grade early in the season. Pfffffft indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, MTBill said: It's like a classical physics vs. quantum mechanics thing. PFF is stuck in classical physics - using all these 'known' variables to try to distill a player down to a single "score". Quantum mechanics would say you have to lean towards other things. I mean - that list (if Sal typed it in order) has Darnold ahead of Mahomes. Really? Besides, who the heck should care about a 1 week grade early in the season. Pfffffft indeed. The Josh Allen is PFF's Schrödinger's cat analogy? He may be good QB or he may suck, but you have to actually open the box and watch the game to know.... something like that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Cris Collingsworth owns them..... it..... whatever. That says it all 3 minutes ago, WideNine said: The Josh Allen is PFF's Schrödinger's cat analogy? He may be good QB or he may suck, but you have to actually open the box and watch the game to know.... something like that? In my best Jackie Gleason/Sherriff Bufford T Justice voice.... whats your catsscrotum got to do with anything? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 PFF is clearly working backwards from their conclusions to hate on Josh. Was Josh the best QB last Sunday? Maybe you could argue it, but he certainly was a top 5 performer at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: Poor Football Focus. lost it’s focus 15 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Cris Collingsworth owns them..... it..... whatever. that explains a lot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: PFF is clearly working backwards from their conclusions to hate on Josh. Was Josh the best QB last Sunday? Maybe you could argue it, but he certainly was a top 5 performer at worst. But , but Josh sucked in the 3rd Q 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Here’s my take as someone that is not a big PFF fan. Confirmation bias is real: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Putin said: But , but Josh sucked in the 3rd Q Defense could not get off the field and he got the ball once, maybe twice deep in our own zone, one of the possessions he was in the shotgun under his own goal posts, but why should that factor into the narrative right? Yeah... I know you were being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, CNY315 said: And here we clearly see the problem with subjective vs. objective reality. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, CNY315 said: Huh? Who got those stats then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, AirAllenPower said: 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 I can not disagree 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Huh? Who got those stats then? "Alternative Stats" LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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