WR strategy - Dont cut - Trade for conditional 7th round picks

[IgotBILLStopay]

We have the entire slate of WRs returning from 2019 and added three more bodies to that group - Diggs, Davis and Hodgins. Clearly we cant carry 9 WRs on the roster - so have to leave 2-3 WRs unprotected - either through cuts or on PS.

 

The Jets'  WR slate is worse than the Bills circa 2018 (with Jones and Foster). Mims, Perriman, Berrios, Hogan and Crowder are all questionable with varying degrees of injuries.  I am almost positive that the WR(s) cut by us is (are) going to be gobbled up by the Jets. Now Packers and 49ers also need WRs in the worst way possible. But Jets will have waiver claim priority on those teams.

 

That is why I am hoping the Bills trade them to the NFC (Packers / 49ers) netting conditional 7th rounders if necessary. Why leave these nice WRs for our division foes?

 

Of course there is also the danger of our PS guys being signed outright by the Jets - but that is a risk we have to live with.

[LabattBlue]

Thanks. I’m sure Beane hasn’t thought about this strategy.    ?

[jasman]

Good theory, but this may be a bad year to trade surplus WR's. 15% of players drafted in 2020 were WR's, 37 of them.  A lot of teams will have pretty decent WR's they will be cutting or trying to trade.  

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, jasman said:

Good theory, but this may be a bad year to trade surplus WR's. 15% of players drafted in 2020 were WR's, 37 of them.  A lot of teams will have pretty decent WR's they will be cutting or trying to trade.  

 

And they haven't seen those guys fail in games yet. What usually necessitates trades around cutdowns is a team realising that 6th rounder they just drafted might not be ready to play on Sundays after they suck in a pre-season game against the Detroit Lions 3rd stringers..... that hasn't happened this year. Teams will continue to kid themselves that the guys they invested in are going to be hidden gems longer than in a normal year IMO.

[IgotBILLStopay]

13 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Thanks. I’m sure Beane hasn’t thought about this strategy.    ?

With all due respect, what part of my post implies that Beane needs our advice with this strategy?

12 minutes ago, jasman said:

Good theory, but this may be a bad year to trade surplus WR's. 15% of players drafted in 2020 were WR's, 37 of them.  A lot of teams will have pretty decent WR's they will be cutting or trying to trade.  

 

But not many teams have WR #7-9 quality that we have. The quality of our "cut" WRs will be higher than most teams.

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And they haven't seen those guys fail in games yet. What usually necessitates trades around cutdowns is a team realising that 6th rounder they just drafted might not be ready to play on Sundays after they suck in a pre-season game against the Detroit Lions 3rd stringers..... that hasn't happened this year. Teams will continue to kid themselves that the guys they invested in are going to be hidden gems longer than in a normal year IMO.

the injury position for the Jets and 49ers is such that they may not even be able to see their WRs perform in games. their message boards are filled with discussing WR cut prospects on other teams.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

I'm not sure that any of our potential WR cuts will even be considered elsewhere.  None of them are the kinds of players that can carry a team.  If picked up, they are more than likely to end up as depth players on a bad team or on a practice squad.  I doubt that Beane is worried about it.

[Malazan]

7 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

But not many teams have WR #7-9 quality that we have. The quality of our "cut" WRs will be higher than most teams.

 

That's quite an assumption. 

[Chandler#81]

11 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

With all due respect, what part of my post implies that Beane needs our advice with this strategy?

 

But not many teams have WR #7-9 quality that we have. The quality of our "cut" WRs will be higher than most teams.

the injury position for the Jets and 49ers is such that they may not even be able to see their WRs perform in games. their message boards are filled with discussing WR cut prospects on other teams.

and That inspired you to clutter the Board with this??‍♂️

[TigerJ]

I'm sure Beane has made other teams know about the availability of some receivers,  but there really isn't that much trade value among the extra guys.  Robert Foster  has regressed and is a fringe player.  Isaiah McKenzie has some ability as a special teamer and a gadget player, but WR needy teams aren't looking first for gadget players.  He's really unproven as a WR.  Duke Williams might hook up with somebody but he hasn't shown all that much that he would command a draft pick in a trade.  

 

The one area where I think Buffalo has some real trade bait is at interior offensive linemen.

[xsoldier54]

59 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have the entire slate of WRs returning from 2019 and added three more bodies to that group - Diggs, Davis and Hodgins. Clearly we cant carry 9 WRs on the roster - so have to leave 2-3 WRs unprotected - either through cuts or on PS.

 

The Jets'  WR slate is worse than the Bills circa 2018 (with Jones and Foster). Mims, Perriman, Berrios, Hogan and Crowder are all questionable with varying degrees of injuries.  I am almost positive that the WR(s) cut by us is (are) going to be gobbled up by the Jets. Now Packers and 49ers also need WRs in the worst way possible. But Jets will have waiver claim priority on those teams.

 

That is why I am hoping the Bills trade them to the NFC (Packers / 49ers) netting conditional 7th rounders if necessary. Why leave these nice WRs for our division foes?

 

Of course there is also the danger of our PS guys being signed outright by the Jets - but that is a risk we have to live with.

Just a test with the new server.  Thought maybe I needed to log in again, but it doesn't look like it. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

So besides all the obvious comments already being made, you also need to a trading partner.  That becomes harder too when all the other teams know you're dumping these guys in a couple of days anyway.  The only advantage a team has in making a trade for one of them is they then get exclusive rights to him.  So is that really worth a trade? 

 

You specifically mention SF and Green Bay, well I'd think if I'm the GM of either of those teams, also throw in Saints, Cowboys, Tampa, Minn, Atlanta, Seattle, plus AFC teams like KC, and Pitt I'd assume I'd have a leg up on the competition to start with as most WR would like to go to a team with a good to great QB, so again why bother making the trade.  A more likely trading partner might be a bad team as they'd have a harder chance signing him as a FA, but is it worth the trade.

 

I'm sure Beane is already advertising that he's listening to all offers for Duke, Foster, and McKenzie.  Even if he wanted to keep one of them, likely would take an offer instead.

[ngbills]

Season over if the Jets get Foster or Williams...

[brianthomas]

If there had been a slate of preseason games this year, it'd be easier to trade some of these guys, with injuries & being able to showcase them more.

Come final cut day, theres gonna be a lot of players released with limited film on. May the best GM win

Edited September 1, 2020 by brianthomas

[IgotBILLStopay]

30 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

and That inspired you to clutter the Board with this??‍♂️

lol no. that was just evidence corroborating the sorry state of those teams WRs. My post was solely "inspired" by how good I feel about our WR core and how sad I would be if any of them ended up on the Jets. apologies for the "clutter".

46 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

I'm not sure that any of our potential WR cuts will even be considered elsewhere.  None of them are the kinds of players that can carry a team.  If picked up, they are more than likely to end up as depth players on a bad team or on a practice squad.  I doubt that Beane is worried about it.

Ye of little faith. tsk tsk tsk.

[QCity]

Better delete this post fast, we don't want other GM's seeing this!

[boater]

No GM trades for someone who otherwise would be cut days later.  Not even for a 7th.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, boater said:

No GM trades for someone who otherwise would be cut days later.  Not even for a 7th.

 

Isn't that exactly what the Bills did yesterday.....?

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

With all due respect, what part of my post implies that Beane needs our advice with this strategy?

My point is...you are stating the obvious.

[scribo]

Quite likely the NJ Jests do not have any of their Week 1 starting WRs on their roster right now. That said, they could sign talented guys next week, and with the new, prolonged process to bring in new players, they may get just a few days with Darnold before facing one of the top secondaries in the league.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

and That inspired you to clutter the Board with this??‍♂️

How dare you? This is the 2nd greatest thread ever, 2nd only to Nanker's "I Started a Thread" thread over in PPP. 

[CardinalScotts]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Isn't that exactly what the Bills did yesterday.....?

conditionally... meaning only IF he makes the team. - and for a 7th which at this point on the bills is a throw away

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, CardinalScotts said:

conditionally... meaning only IF he makes the team. - and for a 7th which at this point on the bills is a throw away

 

Yea agreed. But that is what is being suggested here too and the post I responded to said no team does it. They do. And often it is a smart move. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have the entire slate of WRs returning from 2019 and added three more bodies to that group - Diggs, Davis and Hodgins. Clearly we cant carry 9 WRs on the roster - so have to leave 2-3 WRs unprotected - either through cuts or on PS.

 

The Jets'  WR slate is worse than the Bills circa 2018 (with Jones and Foster). Mims, Perriman, Berrios, Hogan and Crowder are all questionable with varying degrees of injuries.  I am almost positive that the WR(s) cut by us is (are) going to be gobbled up by the Jets. Now Packers and 49ers also need WRs in the worst way possible. But Jets will have waiver claim priority on those teams.

 

That is why I am hoping the Bills trade them to the NFC (Packers / 49ers) netting conditional 7th rounders if necessary. Why leave these nice WRs for our division foes?

 

Of course there is also the danger of our PS guys being signed outright by the Jets - but that is a risk we have to live with.

which Bills WR cut is going to be trade worthy?

 

the cfl guy?

 

the fast guy with 3 catches last year? 

 

Mckenzie? 
 

I just don’t see it 

[Rochesterfan]

16 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

So besides all the obvious comments already being made, you also need to a trading partner.  That becomes harder too when all the other teams know you're dumping these guys in a couple of days anyway.  The only advantage a team has in making a trade for one of them is they then get exclusive rights to him.  So is that really worth a trade? 

 

You specifically mention SF and Green Bay, well I'd think if I'm the GM of either of those teams, also throw in Saints, Cowboys, Tampa, Minn, Atlanta, Seattle, plus AFC teams like KC, and Pitt I'd assume I'd have a leg up on the competition to start with as most WR would like to go to a team with a good to great QB, so again why bother making the trade.  A more likely trading partner might be a bad team as they'd have a harder chance signing him as a FA, but is it worth the trade.

 

I'm sure Beane is already advertising that he's listening to all offers for Duke, Foster, and McKenzie.  Even if he wanted to keep one of them, likely would take an offer instead.

 

This is true once they clear waivers, but if a team (GB/SF) has their eyes on one or two guys in particular - their waiver wire spot is low enough they may miss out.

 

Much like the Bills did with Andre Smith - sometimes you throw a 7th rounder out to ensure you get your guy.  
 

A lower/bad team should be using the waiver wire to their advantage and not trading, but picking these guys up free and clear.  
 

Until they clear waivers - the players do not get a choice. 

[JohnNord]

As many have pointed out - it seems to be a no-brainer!  
 

The problem is many teams know that the Bills are stacked at WR and will likely be releasing the WR’s you mentioned.  They really have to like a player to trade a pick (even if it is a 6th or 7th) because they are scared of another team swooping in.

 

Its like buying something at the end of a yard sale, when you know they’ll just put the stuff out on a curb.  
 

Also, I don’t think that not having a preseason could hurt the value of some of these players.

[Rc2catch]

On 9/1/2020 at 4:13 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

which Bills WR cut is going to be trade worthy?

 

the cfl guy?

 

the fast guy with 3 catches last year? 

 

Mckenzie? 
 

I just don’t see it 

Agreed. We are placing way higher value on some of these guys than what they’re actually worth to another team. 
 

Best case scenario is Beane calling lynch in San Fran or some other team  and saying hey you got any corners you’re gonna cut you wanna trade for one of these receivers I’m about to cut? 
Giving away a draft pick probably ain’t happening. Be plenty of free agent receivers out there for teams who are probably better than our fringe guys that get cut 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Agreed. We are placing way higher value on some of these guys than what they’re actually worth to another team. 
 

Best case scenario is Beane calling lynch in San Fran or some other team  and saying hey you got any corners you’re gonna cut you wanna trade for one of these receivers I’m about to cut? 
Giving away a draft pick probably ain’t happening. Be plenty of free agent receivers out there for teams who are probably better than our fringe guys that get cut 

Yeah SF got whacked hard in the WR department after looking stout on paper after the draft 

[IgotBILLStopay]

11 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is true once they clear waivers, but if a team (GB/SF) has their eyes on one or two guys in particular - their waiver wire spot is low enough they may miss out.

 

Much like the Bills did with Andre Smith - sometimes you throw a 7th rounder out to ensure you get your guy.  
 

A lower/bad team should be using the waiver wire to their advantage and not trading, but picking these guys up free and clear.  
 

Until they clear waivers - the players do not get a choice. 

Thanks, That was the point of the original post - and I wrote it badly.

[BillsFanForever19]

Honestly, I don't really care if the Jets, Dolphins, or Patriots sign Isaiah McKenzie, Duke Williams, and/or Robert Foster. We traded for Diggs and drafted Davis and Hodgins for a reason. We needed an upgrade from those guys.