Black Lives Matter Messaging at "The Stadium"

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Yeo. Abolition of the nuclear family is part of the broader BLM and M4BL movement. This is well known.

Communists and marxists are not dumb. They wrote about how they were going to try to destroy America 60 years ago

 

They know they can't invade America

 

So they will destroy it from the inside. Destroy the family unit, cause division, stir up political and social unrest... They are following the playbook to a t

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Yeo. Abolition of the nuclear family is part of the broader BLM and M4BL movement. This is well known.

 

The whole thing is a lot like the Woman's Right's March. The basic premises of "women's rights" or "black lives matter" are awesome. For real, awesome. However, you start digging into the organizational structure/administration, and you realize they are just radicals preying on the unrest of the moment. 

[MJS]

If you notice, companies like Nike and Netflix have chosen to donate to NAACP and other well established civil rights groups instead of BLM.

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

I interchanged post-industrialized and first world, the understanding of the term first world changed over the years. But I digress from the ad hominem. 
 

To the point, 42% of people in the US born in the bottom 20% of income earners stay in the same income brackets as adults. And even then, 65% stay in  bottom 40 % of earners. Other countries like Canada and Denmark have numbers as low as 25% of those born into the bottom 5th staying in the same income bracket as adults. 
 

To your point about GDP, that is precisely part of the problem. The US has a gigantic GDP and a huge income/wage gap, which makes it much more difficult (see unlikely) to climb the socioeconomic ladder. 
 

Just to summarize. America is not number one for opportunity when it comes to stratifying the socio economic ladder. They are near the bottom of post industrialized nations. And no, the gap between the best and the worst is not small. 

Denmark has like 10 million people and Canada 38 million... We have like 350 million

 

That is why there's income inequality. We have everything from people with the biggest work ethics, to people with no work ethic who live off the government teat forever. Millions and millions and millions that adds up

 

There's a lot of people who don't like to work in this country. Lots of people like to collect government welfare and live of the government's teat

 

That drives a lot of the income inequality

 

if you are willing to work 60 hours a week in this country you will climb up the ladder guaranteed

Edited July 30, 2020 by Buffalo716

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I interchanged post-industrialized and first world, the understanding of the term first world changed over the years. But I digress from the ad hominem. 
 

To the point, 42% of people in the US born in the bottom 20% of income earners stay in the same income brackets as adults. And even then, 65% stay in  bottom 40 % of earners. Other countries like Canada and Denmark have numbers as low as 25% of those born into the bottom 5th staying in the same income bracket as adults. 
 

To your point about GDP, that is precisely part of the problem. The US has a gigantic GDP and a huge income/wage gap, which makes it much more difficult (see unlikely) to climb the socioeconomic ladder. 
 

Just to summarize. America is not number one for opportunity when it comes to stratifying the socio economic ladder. They are near the bottom of post industrialized nations. And no, the gap between the best and the worst is not small. 

 

This is all true.. We used to be much better. It's a shame. 

[HamSandwhich]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yep. Abolition of the nuclear family is part of the broader BLM and M4BL movement. This is well known.

Haha, I don't think that is in the cards these days.

They said on their site until recently, for everyone to see, they were against the idea of nuclear families. No one has to make this up, just believe them when they tell you what they’re about. 

19 hours ago, klos63 said:

I think if you read the whole statement, it's really nothing bad. It's more accepting of other types of 'families'.  It's more about other family structures being accepted.

 

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

I see, so socialism? They seek to burn the status quo to the ground so that they can build the culture back up in their image. So that they can be the power brokers, it’s all a power grab. The critical race theory that they base this BS on is about putting races against each other. When has that ever don’t anything more than turn into bloodshed taken to its logical conclusion? Yet, the likes of crazy cat lady Robin DiAngelo says we have to see race and judge based on race? What the hell is wrong with this world? 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

This is all true.. We used to be much better. It's a shame. 

Canada has 30 million people compared to our 370 million

 

It's a lot harder to manage 370 million people. We have every extreme. We have tons of people with the best work ethic on the planet

 

And there's tens of millions of people never want to work a day in their life and live off the government teat. That is how we get where we are

 

If you're willing to work 60 hours a week you will move up the ladder guaranteed

[Clyde Smith]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

If you notice, companies like Nike and Netflix have chosen to donate to NAACP and other well established civil rights groups instead of BLM.

Yeah but there are major corporations who donate to BLM, don't get it twisted. Corporations like Home Depot, Walmart, Amazon even companies like Facebook and EA Sports ect. Please do some research before you try to validate your argument.

[Golden*Wheels]

A group started by three strong females, at least two of whom admitted to be trained marxists (always big fans of the traditional family unit), and one who identifies as *****, don't need no man?

 

Shocking!

 

*those five asterisks are the exact term Ms. Cullors used to describe her sexuality. How....odd....that word is censored.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Golden*Wheels

[BullBuchanan]

21 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

This statement tells me you misunderstand what they are advocating. He is right; you are wrong here.  I'm not even advocating one or the other. I'm just saying you don't understand what you are reading. 

Your statement tells me that you have trouble reading. Read the quote back and try to figure out how the subject and qualifier advocate for the position you're defending.

10 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

They said on their site until recently, for everyone to see, they were against the idea of nuclear families. No one has to make this up, just believe them when they tell you what they’re about. 

I see, so socialism? They seek to burn the status quo to the ground so that they can build the culture back up in their image. So that they can be the power brokers, it’s all a power grab. The critical race theory that they base this BS on is about putting races against each other. When has that ever don’t anything more than turn into bloodshed taken to its logical conclusion? Yet, the likes of crazy cat lady Robin DiAngelo says we have to see race and judge based on race? What the hell is wrong with this world? 

What part of the nuclear family do you attribute to workers owning the means of production?

18 minutes ago, MJS said:

They aren't quite as explicit as their partner organization M4BL (Movement for Black Lives) who calls for:

 

1) Abolishing all police and all prisons.

2) Progressive restructuring of tax codes at the local, state, and federal levels to ensure a radical redistribution of wealth.

3) Retroactive decriminalization, immediate release, and record expungement of all drug-related offenses and prostitution and reparations for the devastating impact of the 'war on drugs' and criminalization of prostitution.

 

And the leaders of the Black Lives Matter organization are Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometiln who are self-proclaimed Marxists. BLM has been around since 2013.

I mean, for the most part so do I and I'm an upper middle class straight white dude. They aren't exclusively beliefs held by black people for black people, though they have extremely valid additional reasons for wanting those things beyond my reasons.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

A group started by three strong females, at least two of whom admitted to be trained marxists (always big fans of the traditional family unit), and one who identifies as *****, don't need no man?

 

Shocking!

 

*those five asterisks are the exact term Ms. Cullors used to describe her sexuality. How....odd....that word is censored.

 

 

Wat is it?

Edited July 30, 2020 by Buffalo716

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

A group started by three strong females, at least two of whom admitted to be trained marxists (always big fans of the traditional family unit), and one who identifies as *****, don't need no man?

 

Shocking!

 

*those five asterisks are the exact term Ms. Cullors used to describe her sexuality. How....odd....that word is censored.

 

 

is it because people use it as a slur to hurt people different than them?

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Your statement tells me that you have trouble reading. Read the quote back and try to figure out how the subject and qualifier advocate for the position you're defending.

It's an ambiguous statement and I wonder why they didn't make it more specific.  Such as....."In the absence of a traditional nuclear family structure we should pull together as a community to support the most vulnerable among us"....or something like that.  Saying "We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." implies to me they want to move away from that system.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Doc Brown

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Your statement tells me that you have trouble reading. Read the quote back and try to figure out how the subject and qualifier advocate for the position you're defending.

What part of the nuclear family do you attribute to workers owning the means of production?

I mean, for the most part so do I and I'm an upper middle class straight white dude. They aren't exclusively beliefs held by black people for black people, though they have extremely valid additional reasons for wanting those things beyond my reasons.

 

When they talk about the nuclear family, they are talking about the idealized family model.  So, rather than preferring a father, a mother, and then siblings, they advocate a community approach. That is what they mean when they say they want to do away with the nuclear family. Families that are missing a father, headed by a grandparent, etc., still fall within the framework of a nuclear family, because that is what is being mimicked.  BLM is saying the family model should be one where all members of the community, e.g. neighbors, guide and are responsible for the children.  

[SoCal Deek]

You people have got to be kidding me? The entire BLM movement is nothing more than yet another wealth redistribution scheme veiled in anti-racism so as to make woke millennials buy into this crap before they’re old enough to know what happened to them! 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

It's an ambiguous statement and I wonder why they didn't make it more specific.  Such as....."In the absence of a traditional nuclear family structure we should pull together as a community to support the most vulnerable amongst us....or something like that.  Saying "We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." implies to me they want to move away from that system.

No it doesn't, people just take words off the sentence which creates something they didn't say.

They are eliminating the REQUIREMENT for it to be a family.

Kind of like how civil rights movement didn't eliminate white people, they eliminated the requirement for you to be white to participate.

[MJS]

13 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

Yeah but there are major corporations who donate to BLM, don't get it twisted. Corporations like Home Depot, Walmart, Amazon even companies like Facebook and EA Sports ect. Please do some research before you try to validate your argument.

Yes I know. I was calling specifically out those who have chosen not to donate to them.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

When they talk about the nuclear family, they are talking about the idealized family model.  So, rather than preferring a father, a mother, and then siblings, they advocate a community approach. That is what they mean when they say they want to do away with the nuclear family. Families that are missing a father, headed by a grandparent, etc., still fall within the framework of a nuclear family, because that is what is being mimicked.  BLM is saying the family model should be one where all members of the community, e.g. neighbors, guide and are responsible for the children.  

No, they don't. If you read the entire page the rest of their messaging is very similar regarding gender/sex etc. Genrally speaking the mesage it, no matter what your upbringing, your orientation, your gender, your family structure, you are welcome.

You know, kinda like that jesus dude.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

No it doesn't, people just take words off the sentence which creates something they didn't say.

They are eliminating the REQUIREMENT for it to be a family.

Kind of like how civil rights movement didn't eliminate white people, they eliminated the requirement for you to be white to participate.

 

No. This is not true at all. You should read some critical race theory. It seems like you would be shocked to learn what critical race theorists/BLM are really advocating. 

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

No, they don't. If you read the entire page the rest of their messaging is very similar regarding gender/sex etc. Genrally speaking the mesage it, no matter what your upbringing, your orientation, your gender, your family structure, you are welcome.

You know, kinda like that jesus dude.

 

I guess part of this is I am more familiar with the literature that undergirds these movements than you are.  In the deepest sense, you really don't know what you are talking about. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He's really totally not wrong. Go to their website and it's full of marxist ideologies

 

Of course black people's lives matter. but their website is full of anti-family and Marxist ideas. one sentence on their website says their goal is to disrupt the Western nuclear family

The group is basically a terrorist organization with their only goal to destroy the nuclear family and cause problems. What I've learned to do is separate the organization from the actual terminology "black lives matter". Of course they do. End of story

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

When they talk about the nuclear family, they are talking about the idealized family model.  So, rather than preferring a father, a mother, and then siblings, they advocate a community approach. That is what they mean when they say they want to do away with the nuclear family. Families that are missing a father, headed by a grandparent, etc., still fall within the framework of a nuclear family, because that is what is being mimicked.  BLM is saying the family model should be one where all members of the community, e.g. neighbors, guide and are responsible for the children.  

There's a lot of whackos in communities who will do terrible things to children

 

if you have nobody to raise you a community approach might be a good thing. If you have a family it's not

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

No. This is not true at all. You should read some critical race theory. It seems like you would be shocked to learn what critical race theorists/BLM are really advocating. 

 

I guess part of this is I am more familiar with the literature that undergirds these movements than you are.  In the deepest sense, you really don't know what you are talking about. 

Given your inability to understand even one sentence of a relatively straightforward quote, forgive me if I take your diagnosis with a bit of skepticism.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

The group is basically a terrorist organization with their only goal to destroy the nuclear family and cause problems. What I've learned to do is separate the organization from the actual terminology "black lives matter". Of course they do. End of story

Exactly I support black people 100%

 

And so should everyone

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

There's a lot of whackos in communities who will do terrible things to children

 

if you have nobody to raise you a community approach might be a good thing. If you have a family it's not

 

 

Are there not "whackos" in nuclear families? Are there not abusers and child molesters?

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Exactly I support black people 100%

 

And so should everyone

Unless they were raised by their grandparents or a set of divorced parents though, right?

[MJS]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I mean, for the most part so do I and I'm an upper middle class straight white dude. They aren't exclusively beliefs held by black people for black people, though they have extremely valid additional reasons for wanting those things beyond my reasons.

You are fully within your rights to believe in those things and so is BLM. But most people don't realize that is part of the goal.

 

A lot of people don't want prisons and police to be abolished. They don't want a dramatic redistribution of wealth. And they don't think drugs and prostitution should be legal. They may believe in the importance of the traditional family. So they should be informed that such things are part of the BLM agenda before they get on the bandwagon. If their objective is to focus on black lives and ending racism they should look to another organization.

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Unless they were raised by their grandparents or a set of divorced parents though, right?

And who said that? Nobody. You can believe families are important and also supports black people. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

You are fully within your rights to believe in those things and so is BLM. But most people don't realize that is part of the goal.

 

A lot of people don't want prisons and police to be abolished. They don't want a dramatic redistribution of wealth. And they don't think drugs and prostitution should be legal. They may believe in the importance of the traditional family. So they should be informed that such things are part of the BLM agenda before they get on the bandwagon. If their objective is to focus on black lives and ending racism they should look to another organization.

And who said that? Nobody. You can believe families are important and also supports black people. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Several people above who claimed that the only family was a nuclear family.

Edited July 30, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Golden*Wheels]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

is it because people use it as a slur to hurt people different than them?

You'd have to ask the guys who run the board. It is not a decision I made.

[Sig1Hunter]

6 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

The group is basically a terrorist organization with their only goal to destroy the nuclear family and cause problems. What I've learned to do is separate the organization from the actual terminology "black lives matter". Of course they do. End of story

QFT!

[BullBuchanan]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Denmark has like 10 million people and Canada 38 million... We have like 350 million

 

That is why there's income inequality. We have everything from people with the biggest work ethics, to people with no work ethic who live off the government teat forever. Millions and millions and millions that adds up

 

There's a lot of people who don't like to work in this country. Lots of people like to collect government welfare and live of the government's teat

 

That drives a lot of the income inequality

 

if you are willing to work 60 hours a week in this country you will climb up the ladder guaranteed

False.

[Golden*Wheels]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wat is it?

Oh no I'm not going there. That's old Wheels. I don't start trouble just because any more.

[MJS]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Several people above who claimed that the only family was a nuclear family.

Can you quote them? I didn't see that. And I didn't see anyone saying that black people who haven't had a traditional upbringing don't matter.

 

I see people saying that the traditional family structure is important. And if you look at the data it shows that those who grow up without one of their parents are far more likely to be in poverty, abuse drugs and alcohol, etc.

[Nester]

Disappointed the bills are supporting this terrorist org

 

black lives absolutely matter, but they won’t if the communists that run the BLM org achieve their goals. No lives will matter if the communists win.

 

 

[HamSandwhich]

26 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Your statement tells me that you have trouble reading. Read the quote back and try to figure out how the subject and qualifier advocate for the position you're defending.

What part of the nuclear family do you attribute to workers owning the means of production?

I mean, for the most part so do I and I'm an upper middle class straight white dude. They aren't exclusively beliefs held by black people for black people, though they have extremely valid additional reasons for wanting those things beyond my reasons.

They are rebuking the nuclear family for the collective. That’s what you wrote, take a look. 

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

Can you quote them? I didn't see that. And I didn't see anyone saying that black people who haven't had a traditional upbringing don't matter.

 

I see people saying that the traditional family structure is important. And if you look at the data it shows that those who grow up without one of their parents are far more likely to be in poverty, abuse drugs and alcohol, etc.

There's data that suggest people whose grandparents live with them are more likely to be poor, abuse drugs and alcohol etc.? What about those raised by two sets of parents?

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

They are rebuking the nuclear family for the collective. That’s what you wrote, take a look. 

Read it again, you didn't understand it. It's explicitly stated that nuclear families are not a requirement. They are one of many valid options.

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

BillBuchanan is one of those idiots that Turningpoint USA and others interview at BLM rally or college campuses to make activists look bad.  

You follow turning point? That makes so much sense. They have trouble with reading too. That's why they use pictures.

Edited July 30, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, DE Bills Fan said:

Sorry. It’s fine to support helping the black community but NOT supporting an organization who has anti-social goals in their mission statement. Whatever pandering the Bills are trying to gain is going to be counter-balanced by the backlash of people who have researched the BLM platform and deplore it. Just look at this thread. 

 

What do you consider "anti-social goals" ?   Have you actually read their mission statement or are you just spouting white supremacist bull manure trumpeted by some politician or talking head?     I went to the Black Lives Matter website and read their mission statement.  I've printed it below so that you can tell me -- and everyone else -- what exactly is "anti-social" about it.

 

What We Believe

Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive.

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Forever changed, we returned home and began building the infrastructure for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which, even in its infancy, has become a political home for many.

Ferguson helped to catalyze a movement to which we’ve all helped give life. Organizers who call this network home have ousted anti-Black politicians, won critical legislation to benefit Black lives, and changed the terms of the debate on Blackness around the world. Through movement and relationship building, we have also helped catalyze other movements and shifted culture with an eye toward the dangerous impacts of anti-Blackness.

These are the results of our collective efforts.

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is as powerful as it is because of our membership, our partners, our supporters, our staff, and you. Our continued commitment to liberation for all Black people means we are continuing the work of our ancestors and fighting for our collective freedom because it is our duty.

Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.

We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a *****‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.

We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

They are rebuking the nuclear family for the collective. That’s what you wrote, take a look. 

Also, you didn't answer my question about socialism. Do you not believe that you can be a socialist and have a nuclear family? I don't think you understand what socialism is, and just use it as a slur.

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Serious question: do you even know what the word heteronormativity means? 

 

To your point, I, like the rest of the world, have Facebook. Yes, those viral videos have appeared on my timeline. 

Yes I do. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

BillBuchanan is one of those idiots that Turningpoint USA and others interview at BLM rally or college campuses to make activists look bad.  

 

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Read it again, you didn't understand it. It's explicitly stated that nuclear families are not a requirement. They are one of many valid options.

You follow turning point? That makes so much sense. They have trouble with reading too. That's why they use pictures.

Ok, well I'm going to stay out of it now. I enjoy having thought provoking conversation and providing and receiving useful information. But I don't much like the bickering.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Ok, well I'm going to stay out of it now. I enjoy having thought provoking conversation and providing and receiving useful information. But I don't much like the bickering.

 

No, that's what this board is for. I got irritated and ruined it. I'll step away.  Your conversation is more important than my insults.

 

*I deleted my comments. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands