CNY315 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Finished the season with a 6-2 record. One of those was mostly against the Bills 3rd quarter preseason team Edited July 25, 2020 by CNY315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CNY315 said: One of those was mostly against the Bills 4th quarter preseason team Did the Bills not secure aa playoff birth both in 2017 and 2019 by beating a teams 4th String QB? 2017 vs Dolphins, Week 17, David Fales 2019 vs Steelers, Week 15, Duck Hodges Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 21 hours ago, Playoffs? said: Get your point... but I somewhat disagree. Teams need leaders. A poor coach/leader doesn’t usually work with a team of all stars and personalities.... and sure as heck won’t work with a team of mostly average Joe’s. You need to be able to be a good leader in order to install a culture of winning (which the Bills didn’t have before McD), and to be able to coach players UP to their potential. To me, the bigger issue is the respect factor. The players clearly don’t respect Gase... and they likely won’t play hard for him. Bellichick may not be ‘liked,’ but he sure is respected. And his players play for him and the other coaches. There is a culture. Appears Gase never built a positive culture, and it’s showing. The locker room should be a great place to find them. Grown men in there. No leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Despite that deceiving finish, Gase is a dud. I actually agree with eball(although firing him now would make little sense). I would’ve fired him back in January. They got beat pretty bad against the 0 for Bengals and demolished by the Ravens over that 8 game stretch while beating no one significant. And yes, the same argument can be made for the Bills(which I’ve repeatedly said. Their most impressive win was against the .500 Cowboys on Thanksgiving). Fans love to tout the Steelers game as an impressive win. It wasn’t. At all. Again, Duck Hodges shouldn’t be in the league let alone starting and McDermott did his best to give the Steelers every opportunity to come back and tie/win thAt game. Interesting... Bills/Jets - Split Jets lost to Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens Bills lost to Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens Jets beat Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT Bills beat Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT Buffalo was able to separate over beating Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT. Jets lost to Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT. Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I am no fan of GASE...but the Jets... Finished the season with a 6-2 record. and were 0-4 with a sick/out Darnold. I can’t imagine many other fan bases turning on their own teams head coach who finished 6-2 in his first season. Especially if it were here in Buffalo. Only AFCE team with a winning record second half of the season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Only AFCE team with a winning record second half of the season.. sometimes it really is about when you play and how the schedule shakes out, right? If you keep the W/L results the same and simply give the Bills the Jets Opening 6 (Those first 6 because they both played common opponents) Bills go from starting the season at 5-1 to starting the season at 2-4. What does it all mean in the long run probably not much I still think the bills are a better football team With more talent and better coaching but I think it always goes back to the point of a player saying that their coach doesn’t have the right leader ship when in fact these teams are just so razor thin close about having the same results if not for a half a dozen plays or bounces go the other way. if the Titans kicker can kick does Coach McDermott suddenly not have a good leader ship? And how much of a good leader ship does it play in to the fact that the Titans kicker can’t kick. Stuff like that. Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Did the Bills not secure aa playoff birth both in 2017 and 2019 by beating a teams 4th String QB? 2017 vs Dolphins, Week 17, David Fales 2019 vs Steelers, Week 15, Duck Hodges Yeah and the Jets secured 7-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Yeah and the Jets secured 7-9 I got it. They Were not a good team with a coach coach I don’t particularly care for. but they started off 1-7 and finished 6-2. not really seeing the proof for the need to fire a head coach based on that turn around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I got it. They Were not a good team with a coach coach I don’t particularly care for. but they started off 1-7 and finished 6-2. not really seeing the proof for the need to fire a head coach based on that turn around. Coaches get fired all the time. If he's already on the hot seat and the motivation for keeping him is he managed to finish a 7-9 season going 6-2...good luck selling that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Coaches get fired all the time. If he's already on the hot seat and the motivation for keeping him is he managed to finish a 7-9 season going 6-2...good luck selling that. I know for a fact stuff like that is easily sellable. I have been a Bills fan for 30 plus years. Lol! I know and I have seen first hand just how little it takes to sell a Desperate fan base. Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I know for a fact stuff like that is easily sellable. I have been a Bills fan for 30 plus years. Lol! I know and I have seen first hand just how little it takes to sell a Desperate fan base. Like I said, good luck when your best player isn't buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Like I said, good luck when your best player isn't buying it. You do have to question his motives for saying it coming off a second half season of going 6-2. Adams is either ignorant or calculated in his mind set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: You do have to question his motives for saying it coming off a second half season of going 6-2. Adams is either ignorant or calculated in his mind set. Or maybe finishing 6-2 on a 7-9 season isn't really that important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Or maybe finishing 6-2 on a 7-9 season isn't really that important. Having been a Bills Fan...stuff like that is out of this world important to sell hype and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Coaches get fired all the time. If he's already on the hot seat and the motivation for keeping him is he managed to finish a 7-9 season going 6-2...good luck selling that. It was his first year as Jets HC. If 1-7 put him on the hot suit, finishing 6-2 gets him fired? Interesting argument. If a safety is the team's "best player", there are problems outside of the HC. But he's certainly not the most valuable player on the team. Without him, they are still 7-9. My guess is that the reason he is still a Jet is because no other team has offered the value in trade given what he cost them and what they feel he's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It was his first year as Jets HC. If 1-7 put him on the hot suit, finishing 6-2 gets him fired? Interesting argument. If a safety is the team's "best player", there are problems outside of the HC. But he's certainly not the most valuable player on the team. Without him, they are still 7-9. My guess is that the reason he is still a Jet is because no other team has offered the value in trade given what he cost them and what they feel he's worth. They lose to the Giants w/out his sack strip TD so without him they are likely 6-10 at best. The scope of my argument is more seated in the totality of Gase's resume sans Manning (plus the recent play of his former offensive players) than in his relationship with Adams or his tenure with the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Well, bottom line is the Jets is an easy two wins as long as they have this shirt show. The Gase/Adams saga is actually comical. Adams has zero leverage no matter what he says. Ngokue tried the same crap and he’s still there. The player can whine all he wants, but as long as they have his rights for next couple of years, there is nothing he can do about it. He can throw everyone and their grandmother under the bus and they still can either have him play, or he not only loses game checks, but gets exorbitant fines. With the new CBA, the team couldn’t forego it if they wanted to do so. The other part is his stock keeps going down with every salacious comment. Sure some team may want him, but knowing they have to give up a crazy amount of picks for safety, even if the best in the league, and then pay him $16 mil./yr. as he is full of crap he will play on the existing tender. Every head coach is saying how long before I have to deal with his crap. If he was smart, he’d shut up, wait two years as it’s not bad $ on the fifth year option, and then gripe when they want to tag him. The virus we hope is over and the league is recuperating from their losses. Then teams will have $, and can give him top safety $. It’s not like he’ll stink after 5 years. His agent should be telling him to shut up. Anyway, this is good for us so who cares. The Jets are always going to be a perpetual mess until Douglas hires a good coach, takes the lumps the Pegulas did to get a solid staff and purge crappy contracts. Build from the ground up. I said in another thread, I honestly am concerned the Fins will do this and we’ll be in our next dogfight with them. Belicheat will retire in a couple of years. He’s proved everything to everyone, so after 70, he’ll file his papers, and Kraft will have to actually do something, vs. playing with young Asian trafficked women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They lose to the Giants w/out his sack strip TD so without him they are likely 6-10 at best. The scope of my argument is more seated in the totality of Gase's resume sans Manning (plus the recent play of his former offensive players) than in his relationship with Adams or his tenure with the Jets. Strip sack was nice, no doubt. But after the, that Jets D quickly gave up 2 TDs and the Jets O managed a come from behind win in the 4th Q. The Jets hired him with no Mannings on their roster. So turning 1-7 into 6-2 as a grounds for firing makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Strip sack was nice, no doubt. But after the, that Jets D quickly gave up 2 TDs and the Jets O managed a come from behind win in the 4th Q. The Jets hired him with no Mannings on their roster. So turning 1-7 into 6-2 as a grounds for firing makes no sense at all. I don't think he's horrible (Gase). I don't think he's anything special either. So grinding out a 7-9 season doesn't move the needle for me either way. If I were a Jets fan I'd be more concerned about Vrabel and Arthur Smith unlocking Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Jets get a haul in this deal. I would not give up that much for a safety Edited July 25, 2020 by FluffHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 What the hell is Seattle doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, FluffHead said: Jets get a haul in this deal. I would not give up that much for a safety What a stupid ass trade for Seattle. You know how many front seven players the jets can draft and let walk after their first contract now?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 WTF Seattle. Seriously. You gave them a king's ransom for a guy that was a problem for them. WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 lol seahawks wtf are you doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Amazing deal by the Jets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Jets prepping for their QB replacement for Mono-mania. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Wow! great leadership on the Jets part to better their team. lol Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I’m not one to overvalue draft picks but that’s a crazy haul for the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Wow two firsts and a third round pick for a safety is insane. Hopefully the Jets channel their inner Cleveland when they make those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 A valid point on twitter as far as Seattle’s idea goes: Next years draft will likely be a crapshoot if covid jacks up the NCAA season. If it does, and if star players aren’t able to put good film on tape, they will go back to school and enter the draft in 2022 which will increase the depth of that class while decreasing the value of the 2021 class. Theoretically, a late first round pick next year becomes a third any other year and a second round pick in 22 becomes a first round..... Not horrible logic if it plays out that way. Additionally, they are relatively close to being contenders and he helps bridge that gap, supposedly. The biggest defense for Seattle is that they haven’t hit on a first round pick in like 8 years, so this is just leaning into their incompetence and getting a known quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) I’m surprised at how many people think Seattle got ripped off. Adams is one of the best players in football. Seattle is likely picking late in round 1. They gave up a decent amount but it’s not like it’s a disaster for a team with an open Super Bowl window. It’s a good deal for both teams. If this exact Bills team was without Hyde or Poyer (as an example) I would have had no issue giving that up for Adams. You’d be getting one of the best players in football for the equivalent of like the 8th or 10th pick in the draft (whatever they point value will be). I’d do that in a heartbeat. Edited July 25, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Did I miss where Bill O’Brien became the new Seahawks gm? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Two 1sts and a 3rd for a glorified linebacker is a great haul for the Jets. The only saving grace for me, as a Bills fan who hates the Jets, is that they are almost certainly going to be late 1st rounders, and the draft is likely to be pretty jacked up next year due to COVID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Well, I didn’t think it would happen, but the Jets probably played it right. Seattle has $13.750 mil. So they can exhaust their cap to get him and they give away the farm for him. There goes Clooney’s deal with them, but he really didn’t do much there anyway. It makes sense in that Carrol is the oldest coach in the NFL, went to 2 SB’s, won 1, and they are competing with SF, and probably a much better AZ team. Carrol Probably wants at least one more and although a safety, he is a game changer for lots of teams if he doesn’t become a head case. If I’m a Seattle fan, and I’m not, I just don’t care look forward to maybe getting to the dance once, and then you’re in hell for a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 first round picks + for a safety is absolutely absurd Seattle should be loading up around Wilson while he is still in his prime to go for another SB run. How about they actually give him a decent OL for once? A S is not going to move the needle for them I dont care how good he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Process said: 2 first round picks + for a safety is absolutely absurd Seattle should be loading up around Wilson while he is still in his prime to go for another SB run. How about they actually give him a decent OL for once? A S is not going to move the needle for them I dont care how good he is. KC mahomes on Offense/ Honey Badger on Defense Sea Wilson on Offense/ Adams on Defense Maybe this is the thinking? Edited July 25, 2020 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Insane return. Pains me to say it, but well done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) The Jets are clueless when it comes to drafting anyways, so Seattle won't pay that heavy of a price off the surface. But on the surface............... How the F do you give up two first rounders for a freaking safety. It's not that Adams is Ronnie Lott in his prime or something. Edited July 25, 2020 by njbuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I don't think he's horrible (Gase). I don't think he's anything special either. So grinding out a 7-9 season doesn't move the needle for me either way. If I were a Jets fan I'd be more concerned about Vrabel and Arthur Smith unlocking Tannehill. That's something I would not worry about.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Wow, that is a hockey trade type of return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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