Why do we need a WR in the draft?

[MrSarcasm]

Am I not seeing something? I keep seeing people are wanting us to go WR first/second pick in this years draft. Why? We now have a stud WR1, an excellent WR2 and an excellent slot. All of these guys are under contract for the next 3+ years as well.

 

So people want us to use our 2nd rounder or 3rd to draft a backup WR that will hardly see the field or they are expecting one of these three to be cut in the near future(I'd like to hear which one lol).

 

Please someone shed some light on the matter.

 

 

[Augie]

Because Beasley and Brown are about 31 and 30 years old, as I recall. I didn’t look it up, but that’s close and our WR corp is getting up there in age. A young guy to bring along could come in handy in the next year or two. Find quality depth to start developing if its a good fit and value.  One bad hammy and you may need that help sooner than you think. 

 

You have possibly a generationally deep WR class. Why would you NOT want to take advantage of it if the cards fell that way? 

 

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Edited April 6, 2020 by Augie

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It's a good idea to draft one in the 3rd or 4th this year because you're likely getting a 2nd round prospect.

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

Because Beasley and Brown are about 31 and 30 years old, as I recall. I didn’t look it up, but that’s close and our WR corp is getting up there in age. A young guy to bring along could come in handy in the next year or two. Find quality depth to start developing in its a good fit and value. 

 

 

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This ^^^
Gotta keep the pipeline flowing with young talent at all positions. 
 

Go Bills!!!
 

[Hurricane]

Also, injuries happen... 

[clayboy54]

Because Gilmore says he’s not afraid of Diggs! ?

[MrSarcasm]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

Because Beasley and Brown are about 31 and 30 years old, as I recall. I didn’t look it up, but that’s close and our WR corp is getting up there in age. A young guy to bring along could come in handy in the next year or two. Find quality depth to start developing in its a good fit and value. 

 

 

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So then when will this young whippersnapper start, 2 years, 3 years? Drafting a guy early so he can start in a couple years is just dumb IMHO, especially after we traded to get a stud WR because 'now is the time to be bold'/'make moves'.

 

3 minutes ago, Hurricane said:

Also, injuries happen... 

Our current backups don't help here?

Mckendrick, Foster, Duke and Robert's have all started some and can surely fill the roll when needed to, for a few games at least.

[Happy]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's a good idea to draft one in the 3rd or 4th this year because you're likely getting a 2nd round prospect.

 

I'm more of a trenches first guy, but this ^^^ is right on.  I wouldn't mind seeing a WR taken in the 3rd or 4th, as well as a RB.

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

So then when will this young whippersnapper start, 2 years, 3 years? Drafting a guy early so he can start in a couple years is just dumb IMHO, especially after we traded to get a stud WR because 'now is the time to be bold'/'make moves'.

 

Our current backups don't help here?

Mckendrick, Foster, Duke and Robert's have all started some and can surely fill the roll when needed to, for a few games at least.

 

He could very well contribute early next year. What happens when one guy pulls a hammy or gets a concussion? We will be back to playing the same folks we complained about last season. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I'm more of a trenches first guy, but this ^^^ is right on.  I wouldn't mind seeing a WR taken in the 3rd or 4th, as well as a RB.

 

I certainly agree on the trenches. We don’t need to spend a HIGH pick on WR, but Diggs was like a 5th rounder. They are hard to spot, as many 1st rounders are busts. 

 

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Edited April 6, 2020 by Augie

[Flutie Flakes]

Deep draft for WR this year.  Good value in later rounds.  What Augie said!

[MrSarcasm]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He could very well contribute early next year. What happens when one guy pulls a hammy or gets a concussion? We will be back to playing the same folks we complained about last season. 

 

Period. 

Really??? So people complained last year and we go out and trade a 1st rounder for a Stefon Diggs and you are saying that is not enough?

 

Any stats out there on how often we went with 4 WRs out on the field?(not DeMarco lining up wide lol)

 

A teams 4th WR should not be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

 

Period.

Edited April 6, 2020 by MrSarcasm

[MJS]

I don't think we NEED any position in the draft. That's the good news. Some additional WR depth would be nice. If any of the top 3 WR's get hurt, for instance, wee would not have a viable replacement. Also, it would be nice to develop a young guy for the future when we lose one of them.

 

But the same could be said for a lot of positions. I think probably the oline is one of the weakest groups now. We have a couple decent starters and a couple below average starters. Morse is the only one who is above average. It would be nice to upgrade one of the guard spots or RT. Spain and Feliciano are fine, but imagine how awesome it would be if those guys were the backups? That would be a dang good line with excellent depth.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Really??? So people complained last year and we go out and trade a 1st rounder for a Stefon Diggs and you are saying that is not enough?

 

Any stats out there on how often we went with 4 WRs out on the field?(not DeMarco lining up wide lol)

 

A teams 4th WR should not be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

 

Period.

 

I’m saying I feel like we really have only THREE quality NFL WR’s right now, and 2 of them are in their 30’s. Plus they often have injuries to deal with. (It seems like fast guys and hammys are an issue.)  It’s a seriously talented WR draft pool this year. If they feel they can get the right guy at the right value, I’d fully support that. 

 

Tell me, what is your reasoning for NOT wanting a WR? 

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Really??? So people complained last year and we go out and trade a 1st rounder for a Stefon Diggs and you are saying that is not enough?

 

Any stats out there on how often we went with 4 WRs out on the field?(not DeMarco lining up wide lol)

 

A teams 4th WR should not be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

 

Period.

 

I don't think it should be looked at as drafting a "4th WR" but rather drafting for the future.  Brown and Beasley are 30 and 31 years old, and while still having a few years left, attention needs to be directed to their replacements; this is the year to do that.  McKenzie, Foster, or Duke are options to be cut, as well...though I would like to see Duke make the team.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Really??? So people complained last year and we go out and trade a 1st rounder for a Stefon Diggs and you are saying that is not enough?

 

Any stats out there on how often we went with 4 WRs out on the field?(not DeMarco lining up wide lol)

 

A teams 4th WR should not be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

 

Period.

I think a lot of what Augie said is true.

Additionally, the Chiefs just won a Super Bowl playing 4 WRs regularly. This draft is incredibly deep at WR. You may get a guy at 54 that you couldn’t have gotten at 22 in some drafts. You draft to the strength of a draft because better players are available in the positions that the draft is strong at. There are A LOT of reasons that WR will be considered.

 

The Bills are going to draft BPA. They always do. We talk positions way more than the team does. This team doesn’t have a lot of needs (another RB is the only glaring hole for 2020). They’re going to take as many good players as they can regardless of position.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think we NEED any position in the draft. That's the good news. Some additional WR depth would be nice. If any of the top 3 WR's get hurt, for instance, wee would not have a viable replacement. Also, it would be nice to develop a young guy for the future when we lose one of them.

 

But the same could be said for a lot of positions. I think probably the oline is one of the weakest groups now. We have a couple decent starters and a couple below average starters. Morse is the only one who is above average. It would be nice to upgrade one of the guard spots or RT. Spain and Feliciano are fine, but imagine how awesome it would be if those guys were the backups? That would be a dang good line with excellent depth.

 

Other than needing a RB 1B, I agree with this. That’s a serious need, but they will fill it. I’m not worried. I trust this FO more than any other in a long, long time. 

[Doc Brown]

Given the depth at the position it wouldn't surprise me if a borderline 1st round talent at WR slipped to us in the 3rd round.  You absolutely take him if that's the case and develop him.  Jon Brown had a great year last year but has an injury history.  Plus, he's 30.  Beane's done enough the last three years to truly have the luxury of drafting the best player available.   

[MrSarcasm]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I’m saying I feel like we really have only THREE quality NFL WR’s right now, and 2 of them are in their 30’s. Plus they often have injuries to deal with. (It seems like fast guys and hammys are an issue.)  It’s a seriously talented WR draft pool this year. If they feel they can get the right guy at the right value, I’d fully support that. 

 

Tell me, what is your reasoning for NOT wanting a WR? 

Personally I feel 2nd and 3rd rounders should be starters or at least see significant playing time soon or soonish, granted Buffalo has been blessed most recently with not needing to much. Also WR and RBs tend to be over drafted and bust out the easiest.

[Bferra13]

17 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

So then when will this young whippersnapper start, 2 years, 3 years? Drafting a guy early so he can start in a couple years is just dumb IMHO, especially after we traded to get a stud WR because 'now is the time to be bold'/'make moves'.

 

Our current backups don't help here?

Mckendrick, Foster, Duke and Robert's have all started some and can surely fill the roll when needed to, for a few games at least.

 

Old Mckendrick is surely primed for a big year! You seem too passionate about this thread. I think your username is coming out here

[MrSarcasm]

1 minute ago, Bferra13 said:

 

Old Mckendrick is surely primed for a big year! You seem too passionate about this thread. I think your username is coming out here

Nope I just hate WRs and RBs, especially RBs.

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Edited April 6, 2020 by MrSarcasm

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Personally I feel 2nd and 3rd rounders should be starters or at least see significant playing time soon or soonish, granted Buffalo has been blessed most recently with not needing to much. Also WR and RBs tend to be over drafted and bust out the easiest.

Really? That feels like a statement made to support your overarching point that the Bills shouldn’t go receiver. I’m not sure where the data is to support the bolded?

[MrSarcasm]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Really? That feels like a statement made to support your overarching point that the Bills shouldn’t go receiver. I’m not sure where the data is to support the bolded?

Because... you know... feelings.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

 Personally I feel 2nd and 3rd rounders should be starters or at least see significant playing time soon or soonish, granted Buffalo has been blessed most recently with not needing to much. Also WR and RBs tend to be over drafted and bust out the easiest.

 

I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but they need to go where value is and get the best players. They may not start, but they could be huge contributors. Looking at the WR board this year you may get terrific value with a WR in round 2-3. If that’s the case, I’m good with that. 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Augie

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, MrSarcasm said:

Because... you know... feelings.

It’s fine to not want WR or RB. It’s not fine to make up false information as your reasoning. You said that they “bust out the easiest.” That just doesn’t feel true. In fact, I’d venture to say that RBs are one of the safest picks because they have a small learning curve. Basically, that’s the exact opposite of what you said. I was just looking for where you got that? 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Because... you know... feelings.

You’ll have to do better in the War Room or a board room. 

[MrSarcasm]

Just now, Augie said:

You’ll have to do better in the War Room or a board room. 

BPA is just as thought provoking.

 

[MyDogLuvsPB]

38 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

 

Please someone shed some light on the matter.

 

 

 

i am going to give my opinion here without really answering the questioned posed. 

 

I believe we have other needs particularly at DE or OLB who can rush the passer; a DT(s) who can stop the run; or a backup at RB  because I don't believe Yeldon is that back. 

 

For the immediate future is a WR in not a need, IMHO.

[MrSarcasm]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s fine to not want WR or RB. It’s not fine to make up false information as your reasoning. You said that they “bust out the easiest.” That just doesn’t feel true. In fact, I’d venture to say that RBs are one of the safest picks because they have a small learning curve. Basically, that’s the exact opposite of what you said. I was just looking for where you got that? 

Yum, love me some irony or is that hypocrisy, either way, delicious.

Edited April 6, 2020 by MrSarcasm

[PIZ]

Because we could get a 1st round talent in the 2nd round, because the WR class is deep?

 

[LABILLBACKER]

41 minutes ago, Augie said:

Because Beasley and Brown are about 31 and 30 years old, as I recall. I didn’t look it up, but that’s close and our WR corp is getting up there in age. A young guy to bring along could come in handy in the next year or two. Find quality depth to start developing if its a good fit and value. 

 

You have possibly a generationally deep WR class. Why would you NOT want to take advantage of it if the cards fell that way? 

 

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Well said and very accurate.  It would be foolish not to take advantage of such a deep wr class. Brown and Beasley are no longer young. Landing a Claypool would help solidify the future of this team offensively. 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Yum, love me some irony or is that hypocrisy, either way, delicious.

Yeah, I said your assertion that “they bust out easiest” doesn’t “feel” right. You made a claim. My intuition is that your claim is wrong. I was asking where your support came from? Basically, prove what you are saying!! There’s no hypocrisy here. I didn’t make the claim. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well said and very accurate.  It would be foolish not to take advantage of such a deep wr class. Brown and Beasley are no longer young. Landing a Claypool would help solidify the future of this team offensively. 

 

Claypool, or some other large WR, would also add diversity for specific situations, another benefit. To say we could use the picks elsewhere is to state the obvious. To say we shouldn’t consider WR is to state the ridiculous. 

 

The thing we NEED now is another RB, and they will get that. We need some youth at DE and could use a bunch of other stuff, but WR might make a lot of sense depending upon how things shake out. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

We don't. They need a RB, two edge rushers, and a punter.  After that they can take any depth player they want. Given how deep the WR group is it will be likely a WR that is still quite good can be had on day 3.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Ethan in Portland

[MrSarcasm]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I said your assertion that “they bust out easiest” doesn’t “feel” right. You made a claim. My intuition is that your claim is wrong. I was asking where your support came from? Basically, prove what you are saying!! There’s no hypocrisy here. I didn’t make the claim. 

Its only a logical summation, the 2 highest drafted postions would see the highest fallout.

 

You are right you didn't make a claim on a feeling but an 'intuition'...totally different

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4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The thing we NEED now is another RB, and they will get that. We need some youth at DE and could use a bunch of other stuff, but WR might make a lot of sense depending upon how things shake out. 

That's what I don't get... we need a backup WR because of depth but a DE to split time and take Hughes spot is second thought.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Its only a logical summation, the 2 highest drafted postions would see the highest fallout.

 

You are right you didn't make a claim on a feeling but an 'intuition'...totally different

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No irony. You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. My feeling is that your claim is BS. It is on you to prove that it isn’t. If I said “not one more person will contract COVID” and you said “that doesn’t feel right” that’s on me to prove what I said. That’s what we are dealing with here. You said something to try to support your point but you just made it up. When asked “where did it come from” you ducked the question. “I made that up” doesn’t go very far in convincing others to follow your perspective. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Its only a logical summation, the 2 highest drafted postions would see the highest fallout.

 

You are right you didn't make a claim on a feeling but an 'intuition'...totally different

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That's what I don't get... we need a backup WR because of depth but a DE to split time and take Hughes spot is second thought.

 

Here’s the difference.....I’m NOT asking why we need another DE in the draft. That’s the distinction, and it’s an important one. I’m fine with a DE, or a WR or whatever is best for the team. Personally, I think we need both.  I’m not asking why we need one or the other. 

[MrSarcasm]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No irony. You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. My feeling is that your claim is BS. It is on you to prove that it isn’t. If I said “not one more person will contract COVID” and you said “that doesn’t feel right” that’s on me to prove what I said. That’s what we are dealing with here. You said something to try to support your point but you just made it up. When asked “where did it come from” you ducked the question. “I made that up” doesn’t go very far in convincing others to follow your perspective. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2441018-which-positions-are-the-safest-riskiest-at-the-top-of-the-nfl-draft.amp.html

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Here’s the difference.....I’m NOT asking why we need another DE in the draft. That’s the distinction, and it’s an important one. I’m fine with a DE, or a WR or whatever is best for the team. Personally, I think we need both.  I’m not asking why we need one or the other. 

Sorry Augie, I wasn't 'gunning' for you. I actually agree with you, mostly. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

We don't, certainly not early in the draft.

[Warcodered]

The 4th WR doesn't just sit on the bench I mean we had 5 active in the Texans game with Brown, Beasley, Roberts, McKenzie, and Duke. Out of the five four of them all had 4 receptions.

[Hermes]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

Am I not seeing something? I keep seeing people are wanting us to go WR first/second pick in this years draft. Why? We now have a stud WR1, an excellent WR2 and an excellent slot. All of these guys are under contract for the next 3+ years as well.

 

So people want us to use our 2nd rounder or 3rd to draft a backup WR that will hardly see the field or they are expecting one of these three to be cut in the near future(I'd like to hear which one lol).

 

Please someone shed some light on the matter.

 

 

 

The Bills offense ranked towards the bottom of the league, while the defense ranked at the top.

 

The Bills put significant resources this off-season on defensive players, and not necessarily an equal amount on offense.

 

Brandon Beane says the team needs touchdown makers and guys who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. 

 

The draft is loaded with offensive playmakers

 

A second round de or safety would see about as much time (maybe less) than a wr. They would be sitting behind at least 3 players and maybe 4.

 

The reason the Bills lost games was a lack of offensive fire power.

 

How's that?