GoBills808 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The only Bills starters PFF rated as "below average" for 2019 were Ford, Di Marco and Spain. They also had Klein below average with the Saints if he, as expected, becomes the 3rd starter at linebacker. That doesn't strike me as rating our roster poorly. I have said it many, many times that their grading schemes are not faultless they have their flaws... but this idea that they are constantly beating down on Buffalo is just yet more paranoia from the fan base. The one thing I hoped would change when we got better is the absolute need of our fans for it to be Buffalo vs the world. It is tiring. Just for comparison - the Bills players that PFF graded as "high quality" in 2019: - Micah Hyde - Jordan Poyer - Tre White - Trent Murphy - Jerry Hughes - Dion Dawkins - John Brown - Cole Beasley They also graded Jefferson and Diggs in that category FWIW. Zero chance they graded Allen as anything but below average And they have literally admitted to trolling Buffalo fans on Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Zero chance they graded Allen as anything but below average And they have literally admitted to trolling Buffalo fans on Twitter Allen graded in their "above average" category. They troll Bills fans because of the overly emotional reactions it always seems to produce. Passionate fan bases are not always rational fan bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Allen graded in their "above average" category. They troll Bills fans because of the overly emotional reactions it always seems to produce. Passionate fan bases are not always rational fan bases. Where these ratings at anyway I can't find em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: Where these ratings at anyway I can't find em On PFF. Their player grading tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Top 5 roster? I don't think so. Hell, I don't even think we have a player in the top 101 of players in 2019 according to a website I can't remember.... That's a paradox right there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: On PFF. Their player grading tool. Can't care enough to look lmao Not a fan of them or their analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Top 5 roster? I don't think so. Hell, I don't even think we have a player in the top 101 of players in 2019 according to a website I can't remember.... That's a paradox right there. I guess the way they do it is addition. If we have players all over 300 in their rankings and you add them together we might have the highest number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 nice to hear, but lets be honest There are no more experts, Just dudes with web cams and keyboards like you and me. This could be me and you just BS'ing over lunch and would hold the same weight. Rather be the underdog to be honest ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I have to be consistent and have said I hate pff i think a lot can be Attributed to coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 ?? I've fallen and I can't get up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Rc2catch said: They’re just setting up to flame josh if we don’t go 13-3 ? Correct. That's precisely what they are hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Huh? They made it the worst roster. This is what I don’t like about the McBeane stuff. They have done a good job but people completely overrated the “turnaround” they did. They act like it was the Browns they took over and had 1 win. They took over a team that averaged 8 wins and have plenty of guys playing key roles on other teams. This wasn’t a bad situation at all they inherited. True, but they also inherited a salary cap problem. Took care of that quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 hours ago, GreggTX said: In spite of all the whining and crying by many Bills fans, PFF has been brutally honest about the Bills and Josh Allen all along. Some folks just can't handle the truth. This is no different, but we still need to upgrade the OL. I've never whined and cried about PFF because I really don't care what they say. They're not very good. It's really hard to evaluate a player without knowing what his assignment is or what his coaches are telling him. To make matters worse, sometimes a player will get out of position because he's trying to cover up for someone else's missed assignment. How is that graded? It surprises me that supposedly all 32 teams subscribe to PFF. What PFF does is an interesting attempt to quantify individual performance in a team sport but they have a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I still think we should give top backup money on a one year deal for Dalton, Winston, or Flacco. This roster is too talented to have a wasted season if Allen goes down or regresses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So wait? Now do we like PFF? Or do we hate them because of White and Allen’s ratings? I’m so confused and I just bought my Collinsworth voodoo doll. I hate him because of the website he owns!!! You’re a damaged little girl afraid to love again. Sorry the Bills disappointed you by exceeding your gloom and doom projections last season. Godspeed brother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But, but, but we hate PFF. It's the devil, right? Who's with me? Heh heh. Yup, it's important to remember ... when you like what's said, discuss it. When you don't like what's said, attack the messenger. It's important to get that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I've never whined and cried about PFF because I really don't care what they say. They're not very good. It's really hard to evaluate a player without knowing what his assignment is or what his coaches are telling him. To make matters worse, sometimes a player will get out of position because he's trying to cover up for someone else's missed assignment. How is that graded? It surprises me that supposedly all 32 teams subscribe to PFF. What PFF does is an interesting attempt to quantify individual performance in a team sport but they have a long way to go. It's really not that difficult to evaluate without knowing what the team is telling him. We do it constantly, in most posts. NFL teams do it constantly in their film study and they learn a ton, which is why they do it even though they don't specifically know what the other teams told their players. Is it possible to perfectly grade them without knowing? No, of course not. But is it very obvious on most plays what most guys was supposed to do by looking at the situation and what the guys around him are doing? Yeah, it is. Sometimes you can't know. But most of the time it's not that difficult. Fair enough that you don't care what they say, though. That's your choice and a fair one, but as you say, NFL teams subscribe. If what PFF do was useless or unreasonable, they wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Huh? They made it the worst roster. This is what I don’t like about the McBeane stuff. They have done a good job but people completely overrated the “turnaround” they did. They act like it was the Browns they took over and had 1 win. They took over a team that averaged 8 wins and have plenty of guys playing key roles on other teams. This wasn’t a bad situation at all they inherited. Fair enough that it wasn't the worst roster when they took it over. But the situation was probably even worse than if they had had the worst roster. If you've got the worst roster, at least you're going to have a tremendous draft pick and probably a shot at a franchise QB. Part of the problem with the Bills during the long long drought was that they were never really any good, yet at the same time they were very rarely truly awful. So they never had shots at obvious franchise QBs. They did a terrific turnaround. They inherited consistent mediocrity, arguably the worst situation for a football team. But not only were they mediocre, not only did they have no franchise QB, but beyond that the salary cap situation was really bad. Whaley's salary cap looked like that of a team in a Super Bowl window. The situation they inherited wasn't just bad, it was awful. They didn't have a good enough roster to reload. And their roster wasn't bad enough or free enough in cap room to maximize a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Doomed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But, but, but we hate PFF. It's the devil, right? Who's with me? Me! although im sure you're jesting, i hate their rankings. They constantly rank worse players above better players because of stats which apparently they misinterpret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 17 hours ago, GreggTX said: In spite of all the whining and crying by many Bills fans, PFF has been brutally honest about the Bills and Josh Allen all along. Some folks just can't handle the truth. This is no different, but we still need to upgrade the OL. Reading GreggTX mention whining and crying Bills fans while not even referring to himself might actually the the worlds cure for Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I’m curious whether they claimed the Vikings had a Top 5 roster last year. Their roster was better than Buffalo’s is now. I really don’t buy that the Bills are suddenly Top 5 for getting Diggs. We have a really well coached defense, but don’t have guys that would turn into superstars on other teams. Our secondary is top 5, but our front 7 are still largely unproven and unknown. Mediocre would be generous to our OL. If they claim Allen is this bottom 5 QB, I don’t know how they can justify claiming this is a Top 5 roster. This does seem like angling and posturing to try and level any shortcomings next year at Allen, while discrediting any success as being a product of the “great roster”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Buffalophil1948 said: True, but they also inherited a salary cap problem. Took care of that quick They also partly created that issue themselves. We have done this conversation to death.... but tearing down, accepting the dead cap situation and then rebuilding was a choice made by McDermott and Beane. I support the choice they made and it was important to embedding their culture in the building.... but it wasn't the only way to go when they arrived. They could have rebuilt on what was here, drafted a QB in that 2017 class and rolled from there. @C.Biscuit97 is right. They inherited a reasonably talented roster. I support the direction they went. I was kind of sick of reloads..... I thought we needed a more fundamental reset. 7 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: I’m curious whether they claimed the Vikings had a Top 5 roster last year. Their roster was better than Buffalo’s is now. I really don’t buy that the Bills are suddenly Top 5 for getting Diggs. We have a really well coached defense, but don’t have guys that would turn into superstars on other teams. Our secondary is top 5, but our front 7 are still largely unproven and unknown. Mediocre would be generous to our OL. If they claim Allen is this bottom 5 QB, I don’t know how they can justify claiming this is a Top 5 roster. This does seem like angling and posturing to try and level any shortcomings next year at Allen, while discrediting any success as being a product of the “great roster”. From memory they were very high on the Vikings roster last year. I think their 2019 roster was top to bottom the best in the NFL. That isn't the case now because their cap situation is now such that they are in the position where they have had to start shedding guys. But in 2018 and 2019 the Vikings were loaded. Edit: As for our defense not having stars..... it has one bona fide star in White. One of the best safety duos in the league and two ascending potential superstars in Oliver and Edmunds. If those two take another step in 2020 the Bills may well be looking at a defense with a proven stud at each level. My evaluation of the Bills roster at the moment is: QB: average but hopefully ascending RB: below average (only one credible option on the roster) WR: good OL: average TE: below average DL: average LB: above average DB: outstanding Edited April 1, 2020 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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