There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Prickly Pete]

26 minutes ago, ALF said:

Trump calls protesters against stay-at-home orders 'very responsible'

 

Donald Trump has posted highly incendiary tweets stoking protests against physical distancing and other coronavirus stay-at-home measures in three states led by Democratic governors.

 

“LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” the US president wrote in capital letters on Friday. “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

 

He followed up with a third tweet: “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” – a reference to Virginia’s governor, Ralph Northam, last week signing into law new measures on gun control.

 

His latest provocative interventions followed demonstrations against stay-at-home orders in Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia and other states that have drawn elements of the far right.

 

Some protesters have carried guns, waved Trump and Confederate flags and sought to frame the debate as a defence of constitutional freedoms. They have been egged on by conservative media hosts such as Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, who said: “What happened in Lansing [Michigan] today, God bless them: it’s going to happen all over the country.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/17/trump-liberate-tweets-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders

 

As of 2020 there are 26 Republican  governors.  Hey go for it , lead the way back to normal

 

Stay in your house for the rest of your life, and go ***** yourself, we won't miss you.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by 32ABBA

[Prickly Pete]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

GOVERNOR MURPHY DECIDES TO CREATE MARTYRS, BECAUSE HE’S SMART THAT WAY, NOT DUMB LIKE EVERYONE SAYS: 

 

Organizer of NJ coronavirus stay-at-home protest hit with criminal violation.

 

 

 

UPDATE: New Jersey Shuts Down Drive Through Tulip Farm, Threatens to Arrest Owner.

 

 

 

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It's a no win situation. No matter what happens, every post-reopening fatality will be laid at Trump's feet with a Thunberg-like "How dare you!". The more openly supportive the public is of a "reopening" the better Trump comes off. 

 

May 1st will likely be a perfectly reasonable time to reopen. ***** the haters.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by 32ABBA

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Trump calls protesters against stay-at-home orders 'very responsible'

 

Donald Trump has posted highly incendiary tweets stoking protests against physical distancing and other coronavirus stay-at-home measures in three states led by Democratic governors.

 

“LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” the US president wrote in capital letters on Friday. “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

 

He followed up with a third tweet: “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” – a reference to Virginia’s governor, Ralph Northam, last week signing into law new measures on gun control.

 

His latest provocative interventions followed demonstrations against stay-at-home orders in Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia and other states that have drawn elements of the far right.

 

Some protesters have carried guns, waved Trump and Confederate flags and sought to frame the debate as a defence of constitutional freedoms. They have been egged on by conservative media hosts such as Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, who said: “What happened in Lansing [Michigan] today, God bless them: it’s going to happen all over the country.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/17/trump-liberate-tweets-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders

 

As of 2020 there are 26 Republican  governors.  Hey go for it , lead the way back to normal

Whenever a person in authority tries to advance their personal or political party views by disguising it as something else it is soon seen through by the average Joe. Democrats have long used any crisis to attempt to push their agenda. Obama used the government shutdown to make (in his own words) the shutdown be as painful as could be since he guessed it would be blamed on the GOP. Governors are basically making decrees that forbid one thing while allowing things that don't make sense. In PA, state parks including the primitive camping areas are shut down. Liquor stores and golf courses are verboten. Lottery and weed sales are ok. In Michigan a resident can't visit or stay in a second home, fish from a motor boat (but do so from a canoe) or buy seeds and paint. People don't like to be cooped up but will do so if they have something to do. Painting that room or planting that garden helps them through the lock down. 

 

Some governors have a lot of power but think they are Chief Nanny of their states. Overreach is soon discovered by the populace while if the governors were reasonable in the first place they wouldn't lose the faith and confidence of those they govern and protests wouldn't be happening. 

[GG]

The protests in the low infections states are the perfect test ground for the further spread of the virus.   If these states don't see an uptick in cases by Tuesday or Wednesday, then it's enough proof that it will be safe to start reopening.  

[Magox]

2 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

 

Stay in your house for the rest of your life, and go ***** yourself, we won't miss you.

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

It's a no win situation. No matter what happens, every post-reopening fatality will be laid at Trump's feet with a Thunberg-like "How dare you!". The more openly supportive the public is of a "reopening" the better Trump comes off. 

 

May 1st will likely be a perfectly reasonable time to reopen. ***** the haters.

 

 

 

 

 

I think your posts pretty much sums up my frustration over the past couple days.   I like to think of myself as a somewhat reasonable person, but These social shaming attempts from people, the media and politicians are beginning to reach a boiling point    And if I’m beginning to feel that way then I’m pretty damn sure there are many others as well.

 

I’m sensing a profound schism that is developing between the “stay at home” vs. the “let’s get on with life” people.    The longer it continues this way the more anger I think we will see.

[Foxx]

11 hours ago, RiotAct said:

bail reform laws do NOT apply to people who violate social distancing or face covering orders, I hear.....

next stop... Nazi Germany.

[SoCal Deek]

33 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

I think your posts pretty much sums up my frustration over the past couple days.   I like to think of myself as a somewhat reasonable person, but These social shaming attempts from people, the media and politicians are beginning to reach a boiling point    And if I’m beginning to feel that way then I’m pretty damn sure there are many others as well.

 

I’m sensing a profound schism that is developing between the “stay at home” vs. the “let’s get on with life” people.    The longer it continues this way the more anger I think we will see.

Give it time. There’ll be those who choose to stay home. My sister in law is one of them. Just like at the beach they’ll eventually get in the water once they see everyone else ‘having fun’. 

[3rdnlng]

19 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

I think your posts pretty much sums up my frustration over the past couple days.   I like to think of myself as a somewhat reasonable person, but These social shaming attempts from people, the media and politicians are beginning to reach a boiling point    And if I’m beginning to feel that way then I’m pretty damn sure there are many others as well.

 

I’m sensing a profound schism that is developing between the “stay at home” vs. the “let’s get on with life” people.    The longer it continues this way the more anger I think we will see.

Some people in authority like governors or that stupid ***** oaf DeBlasio are their own worst enemies. They shut down the liquor stores in PA and of course these people near the border come flocking over to NYS crowding those stores. Deblasio encourages people to take pictures of any violations and send them to his "proper distance police" so they can get a $1000 fine. The best thing a person can do is get the hell out of Detroit and go stay in their cottage in the Upper Peninsula but that witch in Michigan says residents can't do that but out-of-state people can. All they had to do is be reasonable but these asswholes just had to become dictators, which isn't the wisest thing to try to do in the U.S.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

This was posted before. Your tax dollars at work. And then more tax dollars at work when the damn thing needs to be dug out. ***** absurd. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Chef Jim

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

This was posted before. Your tax dollars at work. And then more tax dollars at work when the damn thing needs to be dug out. ***** absurd. 

Sorry, I must have missed it. 

 

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Sorry, I must have missed it. 

 

Oh no worries. We can never be reminded too often of the absurdities of government. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Chef Jim

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Oh no worries. We can never be reminded too often of the absurdities of government. 

 

 

...but social irresponsibilities have been the norm for some LONG before Covid-19 and allowed to promulgate unchecked..............

[dpberr]

These protests had a great opportunity to make a difference but showing up with the ARs, the load out vests, the camo, the Confederate flags and Alex Jones makes them caricatures. 

 

Don't understand the Trump support at the rallies either. The governors are the majority of the problem but he's the next 45 percent. Government is the problem. He's government just like the rest of them.

 

Why don't people show up in the uniforms of the jobs they aren't working at currently? A lot more impactful in my opinion.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

SHUTDOWN PAIN GROWS MORE DEMOCRATIC: 

 

Vox Media furloughs more than 100 employees for three months.Layoffs Hit Valence Media: Hollywood Reporter, Dick Clark Productions, Billboard, Vibe Affected.

 

ViacomCBS Lets Go Of Contract Workers Amid Coronavirus Pandemic As More Layoffs Loom.

 

Temporary pay cuts and furloughs announced at NJ Advance Media, but no layoffs as coronavirus hits revenues.

 

Condé Nast plans hundreds of layoffs.

 

The Music Industry’s Lost Summer: No Bieber, No Swift and Mass Layoffs.

 

News Media Outlets Have Been Ravaged by the Pandemic. 

“Roughly 33,000 workers at news companies in the U.S. have been laid off, been furloughed or had their pay reduced. Some publications that rely on ads have shut down.”

 

 

UPDATE: ***** just got real. ‘Historic’ N.J. public worker layoffs coming if no new coronavirus aid from feds, Murphy says.

 

 

 

Watch establishment opinion on reopening change in a hurry once journalists and government workers are losing their jobs.

 

 

 

 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...so CNN has three on furlough?...just askin'.............

 

News Media Outlets Have Been Ravaged by the Pandemic. 

“Roughly 33,000 workers at news companies in the U.S. have been laid off, been furloughed or had their pay reduced. Some publications that rely on ads have shut down.”

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

These protests had a great opportunity to make a difference but showing up with the ARs, the load out vests, the camo, the Confederate flags and Alex Jones makes them caricatures. 

 

Don't understand the Trump support at the rallies either. The governors are the majority of the problem but he's the next 45 percent. Government is the problem. He's government just like the rest of them.

 

Why don't people show up in the uniforms of the jobs they aren't working at currently? A lot more impactful in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

that’s savage.  Lol

[shoshin]

6 hours ago, Magox said:

 

I’m sensing a profound schism that is developing between the “stay at home” vs. the “let’s get on with life” people.    The longer it continues this way the more anger I think we will see.

 

I want to get back to work. If we follow the federal guidelines in an exacting way, let's do it. 

[RochesterRob]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

SHUTDOWN PAIN GROWS MORE DEMOCRATIC: 

 

Vox Media furloughs more than 100 employees for three months.Layoffs Hit Valence Media: Hollywood Reporter, Dick Clark Productions, Billboard, Vibe Affected.

 

ViacomCBS Lets Go Of Contract Workers Amid Coronavirus Pandemic As More Layoffs Loom.

 

Temporary pay cuts and furloughs announced at NJ Advance Media, but no layoffs as coronavirus hits revenues.

 

Condé Nast plans hundreds of layoffs.

 

The Music Industry’s Lost Summer: No Bieber, No Swift and Mass Layoffs.

 

News Media Outlets Have Been Ravaged by the Pandemic. 

“Roughly 33,000 workers at news companies in the U.S. have been laid off, been furloughed or had their pay reduced. Some publications that rely on ads have shut down.”

 

 

UPDATE: ***** just got real. ‘Historic’ N.J. public worker layoffs coming if no new coronavirus aid from feds, Murphy says.

 

 

 

Watch establishment opinion on reopening change in a hurry once journalists and government workers are losing their jobs.

 

 

 

 

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  No Bieber?  No Swift?  So there is an upside to the shutdown.

[B-Man]

 

[dpberr]

7 hours ago, Magox said:

 

 

I think your posts pretty much sums up my frustration over the past couple days.   I like to think of myself as a somewhat reasonable person, but These social shaming attempts from people, the media and politicians are beginning to reach a boiling point    And if I’m beginning to feel that way then I’m pretty damn sure there are many others as well.

 

I’m sensing a profound schism that is developing between the “stay at home” vs. the “let’s get on with life” people.    The longer it continues this way the more anger I think we will see.

The schism is between those still with jobs and those that don't have jobs. 

 

It's a lot easier to be in the stay at home crowd when you can work from home and still collect your regular paycheck.

 

The ***** doesn't get real for the Patton Oswalts of the world until the out of work barbarians burn his beloved Trader Joe's down in Week 10 of a lockdown.

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, dpberr said:

The schism is between those still with jobs and those that don't have jobs. 

 

It's a lot easier to be in the stay at home crowd when you can work from home and still collect your regular paycheck.

 

The ***** doesn't get real for the Patton Oswalts of the world until the out of work barbarians burn his beloved Trader Joe's down in Week 10 of a lockdown.

 

Everyone's looking to the south and east for the first flare up -- but people should watch LA. 55% of the population is now unemployed (because: Hollywood is more than actors). The divide between the working class and rich are not only hilariously clear to everyone in town, the progressive left has spent the past 10 years pouring gasoline into the trenches of those dividing lines with their activism. 

 

The Oswalts of the industry who've thought it cute to pander to the progressive-fascist left over the past decade, pushing redistribution and crypto-Marxist ideologies while collecting seven figure checks for 6 months worth of work, are in for a BIG surprise. The next LA riot won't start downtown, it'll start on the west side of the city. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

WYNN RESORTS CEO CALLS FOR LAS VEGAS STRIP TO CONDITIONALLY REOPEN IN MID- TO LATE MAY.

 

 

“He also laid out Wynn’s health and safety guidelines for reopening, which include allowing a maximum of four people to ride in an elevator at one time; and requiring guests to enter the resort through doors that are either propped open, are automated or manually operated by an employee.”

 

 

 

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[ALF]

Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside because of Covid-19

 

Dozens of grocery store workers have died from the coronavirus, despite masks, temperature checks and capacity restrictions to keep them safe. So far, supermarkets have resisted the most draconian policy: banning customers from coming inside.

 

However, some worker experts, union leaders and small grocery owners believe it has become too dangerous to let customers browse aisles, coming into close range with workers. Grocery stores are still flooded with customers, and experts say it's time for large chains to go "dark" to the public and convert to curbside pickup and home delivery for food and other essential goods.

 

Some companies and safety experts say it's not feasible to convert all grocery stores to delivery and pickup-only outposts. Ordering systems for both pickup and delivery are completely overwhelmed by a crush of demand from customers in many areas of the country.

 

Online pickup and delivery requires a much larger staff than grocery stores are currently equipped with. That could fill supermarkets to capacity with workers, defeating the purpose of removing the public from stores.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/business/grocery-stores-coronavirus-pickup-delivery/index.html

 

That is a very scary idea

[ALF]

Protests erupt again over coronavirus shelter-in-place orders. Here's why governors aren't budging

 

Health care workers stand in opposition to Denver protesters who demanded a stay-at-home order be lifted on Sunday.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/us/protests-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders/index.html

 

The healthcare workers blocking traffic , what a powerful message that picture sends

[Nanker]

Face it. We’re in a hopeless situation. 
 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

20 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Face it. We’re in a hopeless situation. 
 

 

 

I for one, miss the birds. 

[B-Man]

 

 

SOON IT WILL BECOME URGENT TO END THE LOCKDOWN: 

 

‘This is the worst it’s ever been’: L.A. Mayor announces city worker furloughs during State of the City address. 

 

When you lose your job, it’s an unfortunate necessity. When unionized Democrat city workers lose their jobs, well . . .

 

 

 

 

 

WILL THE SHUTDOWN CAUSE MORE DEATHS THAN IT SAVES?

 

We are in the midst of a health care disaster in the U.S. and other developed nations. This is not due primarily to the Wuhan virus, but rather to the fact that “non-essential” medical treatment has been canceled. In England, concern is growing that the deferral of “non-essential” health care could ultimately be more damaging than the Wuhan virus. The London Times reports:

It’s chilling to know that many hospital wards, waiting rooms and car parks are now empty. Before this country was hit, only 800 of the NHS’s 4,125 critical care beds were vacant at one time. Now it’s 2,300. Even with some of the worst fatality rates in Europe, some hospitals now report being half empty since they paused almost all non-emergency work.

The same phenomenon is occurring here.

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

They Can’t Stop Us from Re-Opening America

by Kurt Schlichter

 

Original Article

 

We’re going to come out of this nightmare whether the Democratic politicians like it or not.

 

The pandemic is subsiding, so America is done with this lockdown nonsense, and the inevitable re-opening is coming. It will start out slow, then get faster, then get very, very fast, and then get finished. That’s how these things happen.

 

But it won’t happen without #resistance. The lib establishment and its media gerbils clearly think it’s in their interest to have the Bat Gobbler flu crisis continue indefinitely. They think it hurts Trump, plus they really love wielding power over you. Just look into the dead doll eyes of Governor Karen (D-Minncounsinigan)

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

THE PANICKERS ARE TRYING TO MAKE EACH OF US RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYONE’S SAFETY.

THAT’S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.

THAT’S A LEVER TO DISMANTLE INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM FOREVER: 

 

 Americans are Protesting- But Not For Themselves.

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Homeboy wanted to go back to work so bad, he chopped off his tongue in sacrifice so the deity would be satisfied and the outbreak would stop.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/indian-man-chops-off-tongue-in-sacrifice-to-stop-coronavirus/

[Buffalo_Gal]

Facebook shuts down anti-quarantine protests at states' request
 

Facebook is blocking anti-quarantine protesters from using the site to organize in-person gatherings in states that require residents to stay in their homes due to the coronavirus pandemic.
 

The world’s largest social network has already removed protest messages in California, New Jersey and Nebraska from its site at the urging of state governments who say those events are prohibited by stay-at-home orders, a company spokesperson said.
 

</snip>

[Koko78]

On 4/19/2020 at 1:24 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Dude ain't wrong. Reporters like her may not "give" their opinion in public (until they do), but they damn sure manipulate their stories to drive a narrative that somehow reflects their opinions.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Magox]

I think there are important lessons that can be learned from the SWEDEN experiment.

 

Quote

 

Sweden’s unusual approach to fighting the coronavirus pandemic is starting to yield results, according to the country’s top epidemiologist.

Anders Tegnell, the architect behind Sweden’s relatively relaxed response to Covid-19, told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate the situation is starting to stabilize.

“We’re on a sort of plateau,” Tegnell told Swedish news agency TT.

 

 

 

Quote

 

As of Sunday, Sweden had reported 1,540 deaths tied to Covid-19, an increase of 29 from Saturday. That’s considerably more than in the rest of Scandinavia, but much less than in Italy, Spain and the U.K., both in absolute and relative terms.

Tegnell isn’t the only high-level official in Sweden to claim the country may be over the worst.

“The trend we have seen in recent days, with a more flat curve -- where we have many new cases, but not a daily increase -- is stabilizing,” Karin Tegmark Wisell, head of the microbiology department at Sweden’s Public Health Authority, said on Friday. “We are seeing the same pattern for patients in intensive care.”

Just two weeks ago, the picture was considerably bleaker, and Prime Minister Stefan Lofven suggested the government may need to review its approach amid the prospect of thousands of Swedish deaths. In particular, the failure to protect people in nursing homes has stood out as a clear weakness, which has contributed to higher death rates than in neighboring countries.

“The protection for people in elderly care should have been better,” Lofven said last week. “We need to look closer at what has gone wrong.”

Yet overall, Lofven’s strategy has won the approval of Swedes, and his personal popularity has soared.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]