OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I think he was going to veto their override... did he? This is the last I read. …...neither House or Senate have enough votes to override his expected veto..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: …...neither House or Senate have enough votes to override his expected veto..... Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, shoshin said: Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. What is odd? The override? Or the veto? IOW, what came first, the plan or the override that forced the plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, shoshin said: Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. ...I have 12 on furlough for our PA operation and 6 in NJ.......at least in NY, we are deemed an ESSENTIAL BUSINESS, operations continue.....175 field construction workers ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Don't mind the protesting. Just that people foolish standing too close or near each other. Like President Trump phase's. Phase 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Don't mind the protesting. Just that people foolish standing too close or near each other. Like President Trump phase's. Phase 1. phase zero really. It’s moronic. 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What is odd? The override? Or the veto? IOW, what came first, the plan or the override that forced the plan? Wolf has been saying his plan was coming this week. The Reps did it so they could make him threaten to veto a bill about opening the economy. Petty state stupidity. Edit. Here is the Wolf Plan. Zero specifics. It is crap. It may someday be good but it has a ton of nonsense. His plan has a ton of non Covid related dem dreams. It’s awful. https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/gov-wolf-unveils-plan-for-pennsylvanias-covid-19-recovery/ Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Michigan is gonna start reopening May 1st. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus. </snip> 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Michigan is gonna start reopening May 1st. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus. </snip> ....such a consistent "leader"...... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....such a consistent "leader"...... Is she a stable genius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Strassel: Here’s Why the Democrats Keep Moving the Shutdown Goal Posts In mid-March, President Trump announced his 15-day plan to shut down the economy. His administration’s hope was that we could “flatten the curve” and “slow the spread” of COVID-19. Toward the end of that period, the situation was reassessed and the decision was made to extend the shutdown until the end of April. By now, most cities and regions of the US, including New York State, the epicenter of the pandemic, have managed to achieve this milestone and Americans, currently ending our fifth week of the quarantine, are growing restless. The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel writes, “The goal of the shutdown was never to eradicate the disease—an impossibility absent a vaccine. The lockdown was designed to buy the health sector time, to make sure all the cases didn’t hit at once in a crush that would overwhelm hospitals, à la Italy.” Politico reports that, according to comments House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made during a two hour conference call with her caucus this week, her conditions for ending the shutdown have changed. She said that “Trump was putting Americans in grave danger if he rushes to reopen the economy at the end of this month.” The Politico story said, “Until a robust testing and contact tracing system is in place, [Pelosi believes] it would be impossible for the president to guarantee Americans a safe reentry into their normal life.” Knowing that the longer the lockdown remains in effect, the deeper and more prolonged the recession will be, Democrats would like to see it continue for as long as possible. They are acutely aware that a slow economy will hurt the President’s chances of reelection. Strassel writes: By these standards, no lockdown may end until the Trump administration can “guarantee” a “safe” world in which people return to “normal.” The feds must stand up a testing system capable of hunting down and snuffing out each new infection. There can be no more outbreaks, and reopening cannot “significantly add” to existing counts (and the press reserves the authority to define “significantly.”) The unsaid corollary is that Mr. Trump will be held politically responsible for reopening in any way that fails to meet these baselines—on the hook for each subsequent death. More at the link. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 15 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: They can re-open the economy, but I personally won’t be going to bars, restaurants (outside of takeout every now and then), airports, gyms, or large gatherings for a while. You realize 20 percent of people under 45 are hospitalized from this thing? F That. People can talk tough all they want until they are a family member ends up in the hospital. I don’t think the government have any idea the scope of this thing either as nobody has any answers for the lack of testing. Your so called statistics would mean that 10's of millions of people are hospitalized from this virus. I assumed as a Jets fan you must be at least a little nuts but I may have underestimated just how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Your so called statistics would mean that 10's of millions of people are hospitalized from this virus. I assumed as a Jets fan you must be at least a little nuts but I may have underestimated just how much. Just let him stay in his house. It’ll work out better for the rest of us in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 18, 2020 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Strassel: Here’s Why the Democrats Keep Moving the Shutdown Goal Posts In mid-March, President Trump announced his 15-day plan to shut down the economy. His administration’s hope was that we could “flatten the curve” and “slow the spread” of COVID-19. Toward the end of that period, the situation was reassessed and the decision was made to extend the shutdown until the end of April. By now, most cities and regions of the US, including New York State, the epicenter of the pandemic, have managed to achieve this milestone and Americans, currently ending our fifth week of the quarantine, are growing restless. The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel writes, “The goal of the shutdown was never to eradicate the disease—an impossibility absent a vaccine. The lockdown was designed to buy the health sector time, to make sure all the cases didn’t hit at once in a crush that would overwhelm hospitals, à la Italy.” Politico reports that, according to comments House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made during a two hour conference call with her caucus this week, her conditions for ending the shutdown have changed. She said that “Trump was putting Americans in grave danger if he rushes to reopen the economy at the end of this month.” The Politico story said, “Until a robust testing and contact tracing system is in place, [Pelosi believes] it would be impossible for the president to guarantee Americans a safe reentry into their normal life.” Knowing that the longer the lockdown remains in effect, the deeper and more prolonged the recession will be, Democrats would like to see it continue for as long as possible. They are acutely aware that a slow economy will hurt the President’s chances of reelection. Strassel writes: By these standards, no lockdown may end until the Trump administration can “guarantee” a “safe” world in which people return to “normal.” The feds must stand up a testing system capable of hunting down and snuffing out each new infection. There can be no more outbreaks, and reopening cannot “significantly add” to existing counts (and the press reserves the authority to define “significantly.”) The unsaid corollary is that Mr. Trump will be held politically responsible for reopening in any way that fails to meet these baselines—on the hook for each subsequent death. More at the link. . Now this is treachery 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Your so called statistics would mean that 10's of millions of people are hospitalized from this virus. I assumed as a Jets fan you must be at least a little nuts but I may have underestimated just how much. You know he meant among those that tested positive for the tomhanksvirus. 8 hours ago, shoshin said: Yes it does and you should wear the mask. These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. I don't think it's that complicated. You tell everyone with preexisting conditions and the elderly to stay home and everybody else can go back to work using proper social distancing measures. Make sure you don't visit those that are vulnerable. The hospitals won't be overrun and you'll eventually develop herd immunity. The people I feel bad for are younger people with preexisting conditions that will have to go back to work to make ends meet and keep their health insurance. Edited April 18, 2020 by Doc Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: You know he meant among those that tested positive for the tomhanksvirus. No, I don't know that he meant something different than what he clearly stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: No, I don't know that he meant something different than what he clearly stated. Fair enough. I give people the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said: Wow, amazing ignorance. The current United States Trade Representative. The Secretary of Commerce the Secretary of the Treasury the Director of the United States National Economic Council. and President Trump's Chief of Staff and his trusted daughter and son-in-law. Hell yes, they should be the Council to re-open America. The Public health are on the Coronavirus Response Team. Boy liberals suck at meme attempts. . 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: Wow, amazing ignorance. The current United States Trade Representative. The Secretary of Commerce the Secretary of the Treasury the Director of the United States National Economic Council. and President Trump's Chief of Staff and his trusted daughter and son-in-law. Hell yes, they should be the Council to re-open America. The Public health are on the Coronavirus Response Team. Boy liberals suck at meme attempts. . Did you just say his daughter and son-in-law should be on the council? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: Did you just say his daughter and son-in-law should be on the council? Did your "reader" step from the room ? Yes. I am sure that your experience with running meetings is limited. The POTUS should have his Senior Advisor (as I am sure you know Jared is) and his daughter, who has worked with him for decades on the council along with the other experienced members that I mentioned. Thats how leaders operate. Your squirrel aside, the Economic recovery council is solid. Thats why any attempts to ridicule them fall flat, flat, flat........ . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, B-Man said: Did your "reader" step from the room ? Yes. I am sure that your experience with running meetings is limited. The POTUS should have his Senior Advisor (as I am sure you know Jared is) and his daughter, who has worked with him for decades on the council along with the other experienced members that I mentioned. Thats how leaders operate. Your squirrel aside, the Economic recovery council is solid. Thats why any attempts to ridicule them fall flat, flat, flat........ . Lol, do you really think they have a say? They are puppets for the combover. The blind leading the blind. Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 12 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: well, that's a shot fires across the bow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 We’re Going to Reopen Soon, and We Should by Jim Talent Original Article No one should kid themselves. We’re not at the end of the COVID-19 epidemic. We’re not even at the beginning of the end. But to paraphrase Winston Churchill, we are approaching the end of the beginning; and that means the severe social distancing restrictions, which were imposed to achieve certain goals in the early stage of pandemic response, can and should be adjusted in recognition of our growing ability to deal with the disease in a more targeted way. As always, context is important. The extraordinary social distancing measures were designed to slow the spread of the virus. They were a hedge against the worst-case scenario For the Lefty PPPers . 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 The South....well Alabama, Missouri, Louisiana, Arkansas certainly are exemplary at being the worst performing states in almost every economic metric as well as social metrics such as teenage pregnancy, education, poverty, etc....I am sure they will set the example for everyone else to follow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 END THE SHUTDOWNS! DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN The United Nations warns that hundreds of thousands of children worldwide may die because of governments’ overreaction to the COVID-19 virus: Hundreds of thousands of children could die this year due to the global economic downturn sparked by the coronavirus pandemic and tens of millions more could fall into extreme poverty as a result of the crisis, the United Nations warned on Thursday. *** Compared with adults, children infected with the coronavirus are less likely to have symptoms and more likely to have a mild illness, U.S. and Chinese studies have found. But the U.N. report warned that “economic hardship experienced by families as a result of the global economic downturn could result in an hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths in 2020, reversing the last 2 to 3 years of progress in reducing infant mortality within a single year.” MINNESOTANS STAND UP FOR FREEDOM How effective will the protest be? There is growing opposition to Minnesota’s shutdown order, which is virtually indefensible in view of the utter failure of the state’s model to conform to reality. Today Governor Walz relaxed his order in several respects, mainly having to do with outdoor activities–fishing, golf, public parks. We will see more of this in the days to come as pressure mounts. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, TH3 said: The South....well Alabama, Missouri, Louisiana, Arkansas certainly are exemplary at being the worst performing states in almost every economic metric as well as social metrics such as teenage pregnancy, education, poverty, etc....I am sure they will set the example for everyone else to follow! I still can’t figure out why we have a Donald Trump as President ? <TH3> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, TH3 said: The South....well Alabama, Missouri, Louisiana, Arkansas certainly are exemplary at being the worst performing states in almost every economic metric as well as social metrics such as teenage pregnancy, education, poverty, etc....I am sure they will set the example for everyone else to follow! BREAKING NEWS: Not one resident of Alabama, Missouri, Louisiana or Arkansas swallowed fish tank cleaner to prevent themselves from getting Covid-19. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 BYRON YORK: How To Get The Economy Back Into Gear. . BATTLE LINES DRAWN: Texas Opts for Liberty, While Washington State Makes Liberty Illegal. CORONAVIRUS: San Clemente Fills Skatepark With 37 Tons Of Sand After Skaters Ignore ‘No Trespassing’ Signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Foxx said: well, that's a shot fires across the bow. I won't be a bit surprised to see Pennsylvania's governor order the state police to stop any protest from reaching Harrisburg or York, where he lives. In the name of social distancing of course.... Edited April 18, 2020 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: sure... just dial 311-692 and they'll get there right away. however, if your being robbed, mugged or possibly murdered, there will still be a 90 minute delay. their wet dream... Edited April 18, 2020 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 AS THIS SPREADS, THE CALLS TO REOPEN AMERICA WILL GROW MUCH MORE RESPECTABLE: U. of Arizona announces pay cuts, furloughs for all faculty, staff. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Foxx said: sure... just dial 311-692 and they'll get there right away. however, if your being robbed, mugged or possibly murdered, there will still be a 90 minute delay. their wet dream... bail reform laws do NOT apply to people who violate social distancing or face covering orders, I hear..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 GOVERNOR MURPHY DECIDES TO CREATE MARTYRS, BECAUSE HE’S SMART THAT WAY, NOT DUMB LIKE EVERYONE SAYS: Organizer of NJ coronavirus stay-at-home protest hit with criminal violation. UPDATE: New Jersey Shuts Down Drive Through Tulip Farm, Threatens to Arrest Owner. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Trump calls protesters against stay-at-home orders 'very responsible' Donald Trump has posted highly incendiary tweets stoking protests against physical distancing and other coronavirus stay-at-home measures in three states led by Democratic governors. “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” the US president wrote in capital letters on Friday. “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” He followed up with a third tweet: “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” – a reference to Virginia’s governor, Ralph Northam, last week signing into law new measures on gun control. His latest provocative interventions followed demonstrations against stay-at-home orders in Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia and other states that have drawn elements of the far right. Some protesters have carried guns, waved Trump and Confederate flags and sought to frame the debate as a defence of constitutional freedoms. They have been egged on by conservative media hosts such as Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, who said: “What happened in Lansing [Michigan] today, God bless them: it’s going to happen all over the country.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/17/trump-liberate-tweets-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders As of 2020 there are 26 Republican governors. Hey go for it , lead the way back to normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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