There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[dpberr]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

What is he playing at? Trying to bankrupt his state?
 

 

The irony is this dude won't hesitate to call in the national guard as he cowers deep inside the governors mansion. 

 

He doesn't like your guns but you will respect his. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

House Appropriations Committee member Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, discusses precautions for reopening the economy and offering additional aid to small business.

6:30

We are trying to help the post office so we can potentially have mail in ballots for election...

 

They are trying to drag this out so they can cheat?  That is absolutely awful. Never let a crisis go to waste, indeed.

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6151284187001/

 

[daz28]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

I don’t know about far better, that’s a stretch. Somewhat or slightly better , perhaps but there was no way this wasn’t going to cause economic havoc. The economy was doing very well before this virus was unleashed on the world by China. The sooner we start digging out, the better. 

All I'm saying is if we were running balanced budgets for the last 25 years, we'd be handling this situation like millionaires instead of out of work dishwashers.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

New slogan for this forum

 

"The PPP. Everyone wins here!"

Sorry Goat, I used "ergo" and the first person to use it automatically wins bigly. 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[daz28]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone that wanted a test could get a test, we'd be able to tell who was sick and who was healthy.  I'm not saying we'd have a test for everyone even if he did order it right away, but I think this was what he should have used war powers for.  The sooner we get tests the better.

[B-Man]

Once you flatten the curve, the Left will just move the goalposts

https://noqreport.com/2020/04/22/once-you-flatten-the-curve-the-left-will-just-move-the-goalposts/

 

 

 

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[Foxx]

are things going to get worse before they get better? regardless, it's going to be a long haul.

 

Massive layoffs and pay cuts are likely coming to state and local governments as federal aid goes elsewhere

WASHINGTON — State and local governments are warning of a wave of layoffs and pay cuts after getting left out of the federal coronavirus relief package expected to pass Congress this week.

 

In many places, those painful reductions are already taking shape:

 

• Los Angeles plans to force city workers to spend 26 days on unpaid leave as revenues are forecast to drop as much as $600 million next fiscal year.
• Detroit has proposed laying off 200 workers and furloughing thousands more.
• In Ohio’s Hamilton County, Commissioner Denise Driehaus is taking a 10% pay cut alongside county workers.

 

“We are really struggling,” Driehaus said.

 

The $2.2 trillion emergency legislation known as the CARES Act, which President Donald Trump signed late last month, included $150 billion in direct help for state and local governments grappling with the impact of the deadly outbreak. Democrats pushed to include another $150 billion in the next tranche of aid, but Republicans sought to keep the bill narrowly focused on support for small business.

 

By Tuesday night, Democrats yielded on their demand. The Senate passed the legislation by unanimous consent — without additional help for state and local governments. The House is slated to vote Thursday, and Trump is expected to sign it. ...

[Boatdrinks]

20 hours ago, daz28 said:

If anyone that wanted a test could get a test, we'd be able to tell who was sick and who was healthy.  I'm not saying we'd have a test for everyone even if he did order it right away, but I think this was what he should have used war powers for.  The sooner we get tests the better.

So that would tell us who is infected today, but any of us might be infected 4 days from now . I understand the need for the antibody test to see what % of the population has already been infected. It’s going to be much higher than the currently known cases. Perhaps we might be able to isolate some asymptomatic positives, but that will be challenging to say the least. What would you like to see achieved with more testing? 

[B-Man]

 

 

IF PEOPLE GET THE SENSE THAT GOALPOSTS ARE BEING MOVED, IT WILL BE HARD TO GET THEM TO COMPLY WITH ANYTHING:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

I love how Trump just threw Brian Kemp under the bus for wanting to reopen too soon! LOL, now where did Kemp get that idea from? 

[B-Man]

Government Goes Too Far

by John Stossel

 

Original Article

 

I'm "social distancing." I stay away from people. I do it voluntarily. There's a big difference between voluntary -- and force. Government is force. The media want more of that. "Ten states have no stay-at-home orders!" complains Don Lemon On CNN. "Some governors are still refusing to take action!" Fox News' host Steve Hilton agreed. "Shut things down! Everywhere. That includes Utah, Wyoming..." But wait a second. People in Utah and Wyoming already socially distanced just by living there. Why must Utah and Wyoming have the same stay-at-home rules as New York? I find it creepy how eager some people are for authorities to boss us around.

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

THE GREAT REOPENING: 

 

Missouri Gov. Mike Parson says most businesses will be able to open on May 4.

 

 

 

 

 

Texas Gov. Abbott says he’s ready to reopen ‘massive amounts of businesses.’

 

 

 

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Edited April 23, 2020 by B-Man

[B-Man]

‘I’m going to spell it out really simple’: Insightful thread explains why some people ‘want to the country to *responsibly* and *methodically* reopen’

[Buffalo_Gal]

Long thread, but the Reader's Digest version is NC is on lock down until May 8th.
 

 

[Tiberius]

Sure, open up, open up massage parlors, right? Can’t have people getting depressed, gotta get those massages

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Bockeye]

https://m.facebook.com/KGET17News/videos/live-local-doctor-from-accelerated-urgent-care-gives-his-take-on-covid-19-in-ker/537566680274166/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos
 

This news conference is from yesterday. Two docs who are on the front lines using all the numbers collected to date. Respectfully answer some pointed questions from reporters.  
 

Starting to go viral. Must watch video.  
 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...what happens as testing increases and asymptotics exponentially expand the denominator to dilute the death rate %?.......even if, IF the dilution rate drops below a normal flu season, what is the benefit of launching widespread criticism, albeit principally political ( A SHOCKER) going forward and what the hell is the benefit?....we currently have numbers but have a long way to go for correlative data, yet releasing purported studies exacerbates the panic mode IMO.......but....I am a layperson and not a scientist.....

[3rdnlng]

35 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure, open up, open up massage parlors, right? Can’t have people getting depressed, gotta get those massages

You must not want to get back to work? 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

You must not want to get back to work? 

 

Bob Kraft needs his happy ending!

[shoshin]

Merkel sounding sensible again. 
 

But virologists have expressed concern that the loosening could result in a surge in the rate of spreading and strain the health system, which has so far been able to cope with the outbreak. Ms. Merkel said that she stood by her decisions to impose restrictions, and to allow them to be slowly eased, but cautioned against creating a false sense of security among the population by rescinding them too swiftly.

“Nobody wants to hear this, but the truth is that we are not living in the final phase of this pandemic, but at the beginning,” she said. “We are going to have to live with it for a long time.”

But the chancellor also noted that the outbreak and subsequent lockdown was proving challenging.

 

“This pandemic is an imposition on our democracy, because it restricts our existential rights and needs,” she said.

[B-Man]

 

 

BRYAN PRESTON: 

 

 

How About Some Compassion for the Closed?

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

Minnesota To Start Reopening On Monday

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/go-minnesota-start-reopening-monday/

 

 

 

 

Pence To Geraldo: We Might Be Pretty Much Back To Normal By Memorial Day

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/pence-geraldo-might-pretty-much-back-normal-memorial-day/

 

 

 

 

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[Boatdrinks]

Just now, B-Man said:

Minnesota To Start Reopening On Monday

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/go-minnesota-start-reopening-monday/

 

 

 

 

Pence To Geraldo: We Might Be Pretty Much Back To Normal By Memorial Day

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/pence-geraldo-might-pretty-much-back-normal-memorial-day/

 

 

 

 

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Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. 

[Chef Jim]

I think we need to change the title of this thread to:

 

There Should be a Dialog in Getting the PPP Knuckleheads Back to Work 

 

Geesh. 

[Magox]

Came across a fact based opinion article today.   

 

The data is in, stop the panic - end the total isolation

 

Data set 1

 

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In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. 

Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

 

 

Data set 2

 

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We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent per 100,000. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." 

 

 

 

The data is showing that the targeted social distancing measures is the way to move forward.

[B-Man]

 

[Tiberius]

President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence repeatedly told Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp that they approved of his aggressive plan to allow businesses to reopen, just a day before Trump pulled an about-face and publicly bashed the plan, according to two administration officials.

The green light from Pence and Trump came in separate private conversations with the Republican governor both before Kemp announced his plan to ease coronavirus restrictions and after it was unveiled on Monday, the officials said. Trump’s sudden shift came only after top health advisers reviewed the plan more closely and persuaded the president that Kemp was risking further spread of the virus by moving too quickly.

https://apnews.com/a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0 

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[RochesterRob]

42 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. 

  Between Cuomo's sound bites and what little I hear from a relative in a county health department (can't say which one) I am expecting that there will be a shutdown again towards the end of October.  Cuomo will up the wattage on his push for mail in voting.

[Gary M]

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Between Cuomo's sound bites and what little I hear from a relative in a county health department (can't say which one) I am expecting that there will be a shutdown again towards the end of October.  Cuomo will up the wattage on his push for mail in voting.

 

 

Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state.

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

 

Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state.

True, but little that Cuomo does or says makes sense. 

[RochesterRob]

5 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

 

Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state.

  The Dems want to minimize the chance of a GOP Governor in NY and get rid of an already dwindling number of GOP congress people.  NY west of the Hudson River would already be partially open if a GOP Governor was calling the shots plus make a Dem Mayor of NYC less effective in terms of criticism of high ranking Republicans.  Face it.  NY is the Democratic Showcase for what they hope to do on a national level.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. 

don’t forget about how balanced the state’s budget was before evil racist Trump denied the states all their $$$$$$.

[Boatdrinks]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence repeatedly told Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp that they approved of his aggressive plan to allow businesses to reopen, just a day before Trump pulled an about-face and publicly bashed the plan, according to two administration officials.

The green light from Pence and Trump came in separate private conversations with the Republican governor both before Kemp announced his plan to ease coronavirus restrictions and after it was unveiled on Monday, the officials said. Trump’s sudden shift came only after top health advisers reviewed the plan more closely and persuaded the president that Kemp was risking further spread of the virus by moving too quickly.

https://apnews.com/a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0 

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Lol, what a crock of BS. Which is it now? Isn’t the goal to “ slow the spread” or is it to stop it completely ( that’s not going to happen) ? You don’t even know, do you Tibs? Here in BUF, a local news channel had a quote from an area doctor saying the early antibody testing data was “ disappointing”. He said you “ would hope there would be a higher rate of infection.”So which is it ? Herd immunity doesn’t happen when the population at large is shut in and shut down. Libs just want to tank the economy beyond repair, even though the vast majority of people won’t have an extreme reaction to Coronavirus. It seems the original goal has somehow shifted into preventing anyone anywhere from contracting Coronavirus, which isn’t realistic or even possible. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[RochesterRob]

58 minutes ago, Magox said:

Came across a fact based opinion article today.   

 

The data is in, stop the panic - end the total isolation

 

Data set 1

 

 

Data set 2

 

 

 

 

The data is showing that the targeted social distancing measures is the way to move forward.

  Months of social distancing will be the death of quite a number of businesses including retail stores and restaurants.  

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

It's becoming evidently clear that the battle lines have already been drawn.  The States that are ready to begin phasing in the workforce which generally speaking are the red states vs the states that are pumping the brakes on opening up the economy.    Let's cut through the B.S and call it for what it is, it's political.  Trump is eager to open up and his opponents want to do the opposite under the pretext of "we need more testing".

 

If the red states truly believe in the data, they should lead the way.  Which it appears they will be doing.  And we'll see which camp ends up being right.  But the states leading the way need to be prepared for the onslaught of negative media coverage that they will receive.  No matter what happens, the media will highlight every single death and blame it on them.  So they need to have their arguments and data ready to counterpunch in a sustained matter to push back against the media's claims.    

 

But before they do that, the governors that are leading the way should define success before the media and the left define what failure looks like.

[Boatdrinks]

16 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

It's becoming evidently clear that the battle lines have already been drawn.  The States that are ready to begin phasing in the workforce which generally speaking are the red states vs the states that are pumping the brakes on opening up the economy.    Let's cut through the B.S and call it for what it is, it's political.  Trump is eager to open up and his opponents want to do the opposite under the pretext of "we need more testing".

 

If the red states truly believe in the data, they should lead the way.  Which it appears they will be doing.  And we'll see which camp ends up being right.  But the states leading the way need to be prepared for the onslaught of negative media coverage that they will receive.  No matter what happens, the media will highlight every single death and blame it on them.  So they need to have their arguments and data ready to counterpunch in a sustained matter to push back against the media's claims.    

 

But before they do that, the governors that are leading the way should define success before the media and the left define what failure looks like.

I still haven’t heard anyone who says we need more testing explain exactly how it would be done ,what they’d like to accomplish with it, and how it would be implemented. Seems to be a red herring...