BillZtime Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Trump's daughter and husband volunteer at the WH. OMG, Trump's sons do foreign business. Can you list what business they do? Trump's daughter gets Chinese patents and Saudi grants. Can you be more specific? Memes can be fun but if they're not truthful, they're lies. Awe, such a triggered Trumphole. Why do volunteers need full security clearances? Truth hurts - it's fun watching you squirm when presented with inconvenient facts YOU DON'T LIKE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, BillZtime said: Awe, such a triggered Trumphole. Why do volunteers need full security clearances? Truth hurts - it's fun watching you squirm when presented with inconvenient facts YOU DON'T LIKE! Volunteer status has to do with whether a person is getting paid, not with the type of work they may be doing. I didn't think I'd have to explain that to even you. So, your meme presented facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZtime Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: So, your meme presented facts? Indisputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, BillZtime said: Indisputable. You should wear the dunce cap at the kiddie table and not be allowed to post here until you grow up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: They do when the governor of Mass keeps his state open for two weeks after NY closes. No it sounds like it’s an issue with the state of Massachusetts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Magox said: Today’s briefer is going to be something else ? Well, aren't you psychic. Quick, gimmie tomorrow's lotto numbers! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No it sounds like it’s an issue with the state of Massachusetts. No, it’s a national issue. Trump recognizes this in his statements today, which is good. Either that pressures in the states to act smarter or the feds will take the process over like the feds can legally do, as is clear from precedent and the 5th Circuit case this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Trump is going to need to backtrack in his own way about this "Total" control statement he made. As I have been saying since the beginning of this thread, the Federal Government can only provide federal guidance, which has a lot of weight but it's guidance none the less. It's up to the state to lift the stay-at-home orders, then the companies to open up shop and ultimately up to the employees to show up to work. That was an unforced error on Trump's part. Probably needs to backtrack in his own way relatively soon. The Libertarian minded people's support who are inclined to back him will erode with this approach. Trump was already beginning to backtrack during the presser but if he continues with this "total" control issue, it will backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Magox said: Trump is going to need to backtrack in his own way about this "Total" control statement he made. As I have been saying since the beginning of this thread, the Federal Government can only provide federal guidance, which has a lot of weight but it's guidance none the less. It's up to the state to lift the stay-at-home orders, then the companies to open up shop and ultimately up to the employees to show up to work. That was an unforced error on Trump's part. Probably needs to backtrack in his own way relatively soon. The Libertarian minded people's support who are inclined to back him will erode with this approach. Trump was already beginning to backtrack during the presser but if he continues with this "total" control issue, it will backfire. National emergencies act and there is now a declared disaster in all 50 states. I "think" (as I cannot know) that he "backtracked" so it would be congenial. Sorta like the national defense act. First he asked politely, then when some companies ignored the request, he brought it to bear. Edited April 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: National emergencies act and there is now a declared disaster in all 50 states. If he didn't use it to shut down the country and left it up to the states to do so, then using it to open it up would be entirely inconsistent with his policies. If it got that far, the lawsuits would be coming out and his support would crater. It's ok to not agree with everything the president does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: If he didn't use it to shut down the country and left it up to the states to do so, then using it to open it up would be entirely inconsistent with his policies. If it got that far, the lawsuits would be coming out and his support would crater. It's ok to not agree with everything the president does. It's way more complicated than the partisan issue that you're so desperately hunting for. This is also an interstate commerce issue. Opening up the country is going to be a really tricky thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Magox said: Trump is going to need to backtrack in his own way about this "Total" control statement he made. As I have been saying since the beginning of this thread, the Federal Government can only provide federal guidance, which has a lot of weight but it's guidance none the less. It's up to the state to lift the stay-at-home orders, then the companies to open up shop and ultimately up to the employees to show up to work. That was an unforced error on Trump's part. Probably needs to backtrack in his own way relatively soon. The Libertarian minded people's support who are inclined to back him will erode with this approach. Trump was already beginning to backtrack during the presser but if he continues with this "total" control issue, it will backfire. If you lean even slightly libertarian, you’re likely not happy with the heavy handed approach of the coalition of Leftist Governors. Trump’s statement in this case won’t be viewed so negatively. The LSM here in New York has been bombarding us with messages about how high Cuomo’s approval rating is. The real answer is it depends who you ask. I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing with his statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: It's way more complicated than the partisan issue that you're so desperately hunting for. This is also an interstate commerce issue. Opening up the country is going to be a really tricky thing. Partisan issue that I'm desperately hunting for??? You should hope that the Trump doesn't even entertain such an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Magox said: If he didn't use it to shut down the country and left it up to the states to do so, then using it to open it up would be entirely inconsistent with his policies. If it got that far, the lawsuits would be coming out and his support would crater. It's ok to not agree with everything the president does. All 50 states did not have a declared emergency. I believe (you can check the dates) that this happened 2 or 3 days ago. Wyoming was the last state. Boy, oh boy, "It's ok to not agree with everything the president does." you have absolutely no idea how wrong you are. Let's just say that I do not care for how this has been handled, and am in the "overblown" crowd. I have said before that I only hesitate in my stance because ¾ of the world has shut their borders. It makes me wonder what TPTB know that the general populous has not been told. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: Partisan issue that I'm desperately hunting for??? You should hope that the Trump doesn't even entertain such an idea. What idea exactly? This is really very complicated. I think you'll admit that it's far easier to shut everything down than it is to reopen them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If you lean even slightly libertarian, you’re likely not happy with the heavy handed approach of the coalition of Leftist Governors. Trump’s statement in this case won’t be viewed so negatively. The LSM here in New York has been bombarding us with messages about how high Cuomo’s approval rating is. The real answer is it depends who you ask. I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing with his statement. Trump actually made the case to not shut down each particular states and cited "Federalism" and the "constitution". You remember that, right? That came out of his mouth on multiple occasions. Now he is saying he has "total control". Let's just at least agree that he is not consistent with what he says. As I said earlier, it's ok to not agree with what the person you support 100% or 90% of the time or even most of the time. Just shows that we have the ability to have a position that we believe in and that in this particular circumstance we disagree with the person you support. 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What idea exactly? This is really very complicated. I think you'll admit that it's far easier to shut everything down than it is to reopen them. I think we all know that he's not going to "open" things up. This was just his narcissism speaking, he wants to be the one who says that the country is open for business. He wants the credit for it and when he saw Cuomo making this power move of gathering all the North Eastern governors, he lashed out and made this statement of "total" control. Or that he has the authority to do so. He will back off of this in his own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Magox said: I think we all know that he's not going to "open" things up. This was just his narcissism speaking, he wants to be the one who says that the country is open for business. He wants the credit for it and when he saw Cuomo making this power move of gathering all the North Eastern governors, he lashed out and made this statement of "total" control. Or that he has the authority to do so. He will back off of this in his own way. All I can say is "wow". You're thinking about this stuff way more than the actual people charged with thinking about it are. Do us all a favor, and never run for office! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: All I can say is "wow". You're thinking about this stuff way more than the actual people charged with thinking about it are. Do us all a favor, and never run for office! Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Magox said: Huh? Exactly....huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Magox said: Huh? Deek is a moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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