There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Magox]

Damn straight

 

I think the politicians who are supporting stronger restrictions are going to have a price to pay this November.

 

 

[Q-baby!]

8 minutes ago, Magox said:

Damn straight

 

I think the politicians who are supporting stronger restrictions are going to have a price to pay this November.

 

 

Hope he gets it. 

[Magox]

12 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Hope he gets it. 

I’m sure you do.  Just speaks to what sort of a person you are.    And if he got it he’d be just fine.   People his age are barely affected by the virus.

[Q-baby!]

9 minutes ago, Magox said:

I’m sure you do.  Just speaks to what sort of a person you are.    And if he got it he’d be just fine.   People his age are barely affected by the virus.

You watch that video and I’m the bad guy! ???. Yeah, I’m sure none of the 91000 dead people are anything like him. 

[Magox]

6 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

You watch that video and I’m the bad guy! ???. Yeah, I’m sure none of the 91000 dead people are anything like him. 

Have you ever said anything of substance on this board?

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

Have you ever said anything of substance on this board?

No, but I have written plenty! 

[Magox]

15 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

No, but I have written plenty! 

 

Ok, that made me chuckle a little.  lol

[B-Man]

 

 

OH COME ON !!

 

Oregon Gov. Decrees Residents in Closed Counties Cannot Shop in Open Counties.

 

“As we approach the tail end of the pandemic, and as Oregon has consistently ranked in the bottom five states in terms of infections and deaths, [the] scattershot approach [of Gov. Kate Brown (D)] to the virus has raised more questions than answers.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Pier 1 going out of business, closing all 540 stores.

 

 

 

TRICKLE UP DEMOCRACY: Texas Admitted It Can’t Enforce Its COVID-19 Lockdown. More States Should Do The Same.

 

 

 

 

 

[Reality Check]

 

[Tiberius]

Two churches in Georgia and Texas that reopened recently amid the novel coronavirus pandemic have since closed their doors again after churchgoers and religious leaders tested positive for the virus, according to multiple media reports.

A representative for the Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, Ga., told The Christian Post in a statement on Monday that the church decided earlier this month to no longer offer “in-person worship services for the foreseeable future” after confirming some of its families were “dealing with the effects of the COVID-19 virus.” 

The church said it had initially resumed in-person services weeks back as Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp began to ease coronavirus restrictions on nonessential businesses in April. At the time, the church said it had also made sure to adhere to social distancing guidelines advised to mitigate the spread of COVID-19. 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/498643-two-southern-churches-forced-to-reclose-after-leaders-and

[Reality Check]

A message from Tibs.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

THE GREAT REOPENING: 

 

The Florida Keys Are Reopening to Tourists Starting June 1.

 

 

 

 

GOV. ABBOTT SAYS TEXAS BARS CAN OPEN FRIDAY.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

THE GREAT REOPENING: 

 

The Florida Keys Are Reopening to Tourists Starting June 1.

 

GOV. ABBOTT SAYS TEXAS BARS CAN OPEN FRIDAY.

 

 

Good. I got a whole lotta airline credits from Covid-canceled trips to use by December 31 and I plan to go somewhere warm. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Good Lord..........

 

‘I don’t care who you are’: PA Gov. Tom Wolf scolds Ben Roethlisberger for getting a haircut

 

 

 

[B-Man]

No, You Are Not Insane. None Of This Makes Any Sense

by Kira Davis

 

Nothing about the continued coronavirus shutdowns across the nation makes sense. It’s not your imagination. You are not crazy. It doesn’t make sense.

{snip}

This is where we are today. If you find yourself stressed because it seems like everything is a contradiction and there’s no consensus from governing bodies on how to move forward; if you find yourself confused by how little you understand the confusion; if you find yourself wondering just what it is you’re not getting…don’t worry. It’s not you. It’s them.

 

The reason you don’t understand what’s going on in your local government as they deal with lockdown/reopening is because none of it makes sense. You are not the crazy one.

 

 

In California Governor Newsom, alongside his mayoral counterpart in Los Angeles (Eric Garcetti) has released an impossible and bizarre list of do’s and don’ts for opening back up, with each location differing as to how far the restrictions are pushed. You can walk on the beach but you can’t touch the sand. You can surf but not swim. You can jog but not sit. You can bike but not skateboard. You can’t have a group picnic in the park but you can go to Walmart. You can go to Walmart but you can’t go to your locally owned toy store. You can stand shoulder to shoulder outside the chains blocking the playground and stare at the empty basketball hoop but you can’t stand underneath the basketball hoop. You must maintain six feet of distance and wear a mask but 60,000 homeless people are still sleeping and defecating on top of each other with no masks and zero distance. You can sleep on the beach if you’re homeless but you can’t set one foot on the beach if you’re a a taxpayer. Even as Newsom begs for Trump to authorize millions in federal aid to the state for those all-important, coveted PPE the state of California has already sent New York City thousands of spare PPE as well as ventilators.

 

It makes zero sense even if you’re on the “harsh lockdowns” side of this fence. None of this contains any logic and certainly not any science…or SCIENCE as Newsom says. You can justify it as the powers-that-be knowing more than we do but you don’t need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out that there can’t possibly be any difference in contagion risks between surfing and swimming. You don’t have to take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious right on its face and you’re no dummy for noticing.

 

Florida opened back up nearly eight weeks ago and despite the dire predictions from the media they’ve seen a steady decline in COVID cases and deaths – all this while housing a large senior population. All of the incoming research and data has suggested that outdoor spaces in the heat and sunshine are ideal for killing the virus and weakening its contagious qualities. Yet instead of the story being portrayed as a positive development with many earned kudos to Florida, the media has doubled-down on their doom and gloom, predicting flares in a month, in August, in the fall, when winter hits…the timeline isn’t clear but it’s coming…probably…so don’t get excited that people aren’t dying. We should be so happy that COVID isn’t killing people in Florida at the predicted horrendous rates but instead this has turned into some kind of weird publicity battle.

 

Zero sense.

 

In the beginning Dr. Fauci scolded us repeatedly for wearing and hoarding masks. They were declared useless for regular people outside of a hospital setting. Folks were shamed for wearing them out, as if they’d stolen them directly from the pocket of a crippled, dyslexic, lgbt, minority, single mother with 8 children and 30 rescue cats at home. Weeks later we were being shamed for not wearing masks, and ridiculed for even suggesting they don’t do much to help anyone who isn’t immunocompromised.

 

Zero sense.

 

Take this medicine; don’t take that medicine; take them together; don’t ever take them together; forget all medicine we just need a vaccine; we need a treatment alongside a vaccine; we need ventilators; ventilators are unhelpful and might make the problems worse…there is no end to the confusion and contradictions.

 

That is because there is no sense or reason to any of it anymore. The reason you can’t make heads or tails of any of this is because this beast has no head and no tail. In fact, it’s just a giant, exposed ass at this point.

 

You’re not crazy. The lockdown/reopening procedures are random and illogical. They are insane and when the you finally recognize the insanity as what it is, the only choice is to ignore the insanity and let logic start guiding you, no matter what your wanna-be tyrant mayor or governor is saying.

 

Use your noggin. It works just fine.

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Ohio plans to appeal. Gyms were set to  open on May 26th.

Link to ruling.
 

Court ruling: Gyms that reopen against Dr. Acton and Ohio’s coronavirus-related closures cannot be punished
 

A Lake County Court of Common Pleas judge ruled against Dr. Amy Acton and the Ohio Department of Health in a lawsuit filed by more than two dozen gyms that were ordered to close as part of the statewide stay-at-home directive.
 

Court records from May 20 show Judge Eugene Lucci granted a preliminary injunction blocking state and county health officials from taking any action against fitness centers that violate the safety restrictions by reopening.

</snip>
 

The gyms listed on the lawsuit were seeking the ability to reopen immediately, with added safety measures in place, while also asking for compensation for money lost during the shutdown.
 

</snip>

[Reality Check]

 

[Warren Zevon]

[RiotAct]

nice wad of singles

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

nice wad of singles

Not so sure. If he’s like me it’s the smaller bills on the outside and larger inside. 

[B-Man]

 

 

THIS IS TRUE, AND NOTHING NEW: 

 

A Pandemic Does Not Suspend the Rule of Law: Courts are beginning to recognize that public health powers, while broad, are not a blank check. 

 

 

 

The headline isn’t quite right, though: Courts have always recognized that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OHIO JUDGE DEEMS THE STATE’S COVID-19 LOCKDOWN ‘ARBITRARY, UNREASONABLE, AND OPPRESSIVE.’

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

On 5/19/2020 at 8:49 PM, Q-baby! said:

Hope he gets it. 

the dumbest thing you’ll read this year. 
 

“liked” by Tibs and Section3 

 

Hard to believe these are actual adults 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Good Lord..........

 

‘I don’t care who you are’: PA Gov. Tom Wolf scolds Ben Roethlisberger for getting a haircut

 

 

 

 

That's right. Tom Wolf doesn't care who you are.

[The Guy In Pants]

13 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

the dumbest thing you’ll read this year. 
 

“liked” by Tibs and Section3 

 

Hard to believe these are actual adults 

Just as irrelevant online as in real life.

[dhg]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

THIS IS TRUE, AND NOTHING NEW: 

 

A Pandemic Does Not Suspend the Rule of Law: Courts are beginning to recognize that public health powers, while broad, are not a blank check. 

 

 

 

The headline isn’t quite right, though: Courts have always recognized that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OHIO JUDGE DEEMS THE STATE’S COVID-19 LOCKDOWN ‘ARBITRARY, UNREASONABLE, AND OPPRESSIVE.’

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, when do we start seeing rulings like these in NYS?

[dubs]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/end-new-york-citys-lockdown-now/

[B-Man]

DAVID MARCUS IN TOMORROW’S NEW YORK POST: End New York City’s lockdown now!

 

Last Friday morning, some 3,500 New Yorkers lined up at a Catholic church in Queens to receive free food hours before it even opened, ­according to the New York Police Department. Catholic Charities has reported a 200 percent increase in demand over the past month and a half.

 

By prolonging the coronavirus shutdown long after its core mission was accomplished, Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio have plunged tens of thousands of New Yorkers into poverty.

 

It needs to end. Now.

 

In mid-March, we were told we have to endure a lockdown to ensure that hospitals didn’t get overrun. We did. The hospitals were not overwhelmed. We turned the Javits Center into a hospital. We didn’t need it. We brought in a giant Navy ship to treat New Yorkers. We didn’t need it.

 

We were told we were moments away from running out of ventilators. We weren’t, and now the United States has built so many, we are giving them away to other countries.

 

Meanwhile, the Big Apple is ­dying. Its streets are empty. The bars and jazz clubs, restaurants and coffeehouses sit barren. Beloved haunts, storied rooms, perfect-slice joints are shuttered, many for good. The sweat equity of countless small-business owners is evaporating. ­Instead of getting people back to work providing for their families, our mayor talks about a fantasyland New Deal for the post-coronavirus era.

 

Open the city. All of it. Right now. Broadway shows, beaches, Yankees games, the schools, the top of the freakin’ Empire State building. Everything. New Yorkers have already learned to socially distance. Businesses can adjust. The elderly and infirm can continue to be isolated.

 

Actually, given Cuomo’s policy of pumping infected patients into nursing homes, it’s more like begin to be isolated.

 

Plus, a call for revolution:

In late April, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp defied experts by opening his state. The Atlantic magazine, once a serious publication that should now come with a stick of stale bubblegum, accused him of engaging in “human sacrifice.”

 

You want to guess what happened? Guess, come on, take a guess. Instead of the predicted spike in deaths, the number of cases of coronavirus and associated deaths declined.

 

We should always consider that we are led by idiots, as one of my friends likes to remind me. Cuomo and de Blasio have no plan. There is not a single question about when New York can get back to normal to which they have a straight ­answer. Not one.

They cash their taxpayer paychecks while immiserating the rest of us.

 

If our elected leaders won’t save the world’s greatest city from a slow death by economic strangulation, then the people of New York must do it themselves. Barbers, tailors, nail ­salons, sporting-goods stores, movie theaters and others should open their doors — while maintaining social distancing, of course — and dare the state to shut them down.

 

Our politicians serve by our consent; we don’t run our businesses or live our lives by their consent.

The suggestion to the contrary is an ­affront to Americanism.

 

 

If you live in this world, you’re feeling the change of the guard.

 

The Post’s front page for tomorrow:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE: John Hinderaker: The Pushback Continues.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

THE PUSHBACK CONTINUES [UPDATED]

Around the country, citizens are fighting back against extreme and likely illegal shutdown orders. An inspiring example comes from Minnesota, where today all of the state’s Catholic bishops signed a letter to their congregants saying that they will not obey Governor Walz’s current order. Walz modified his shutdown order again today, but it still prohibits churches from gathering in groups of more than ten. A local newscaster commented:

 

 

 

{snip}

 

Two Twin Cities churches have sued Governor Walz, alleging that his shutdown order violates First Amendment freedom of religion. I wrote about that case here. It is brought by the Upper Midwest Law Center, on whose board I serve, and includes several small businesses as plaintiffs as well. On Tuesday, the churches will argue their motion for a preliminary injunction against Walz’s order in federal court. I am confident that they will win, as churches have done across the country in response to irrationally anti-religious shutdown orders.

 

On another front, the owner of several restaurants and bars in central Minnesota whom I wrote about here will be in state court on Friday to contest the order of that court shutting down his Albany, Minnesota restaurant. Attorney General Keith Ellison obtained the order improperly by appearing ex parte before the court, something that is not permitted unless it is impossible to give notice to the opposing party, which was certainly not true here. The Upper Midwest Law Center is involved in that case as well.

 

In Ohio, a state court judge held today that Ohio’s Health Department’s shutdown order exceeded statutory authority.

Such pushback against arrogant government authority is taking place across the country; I can’t begin to summarize it here. Perhaps the most surprising aspect of the coronavirus story has been the alacrity with which Americans have, sheeplike, obeyed government orders that made little sense and infringed on their most fundamental rights. For those who thought it can’t happen here, this passive compliance has been an eye-opener. Let’s hope the pushback continues and gains strength.

 

UPDATE: The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board has weighed in on the side of Minnesota’s discriminated-against churches:

 

 

 

More at the link: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/the-pushback-continues.php

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by B-Man

[Tiberius]

Mississippi burning 

 

Mississippi Church Suing on Virus Restrictions Burns Down

More

 

Quote

 

HOLLY SPRINGS, MISS. (AP) — A church in Mississippi was destroyed by a suspected arson fire, about a month after its pastor filed a lawsuit challenging the city of Holly Springs on gathering restrictions amid the coronavirus outbreak.

First Pentecostal Church in Holly Springs, Mississippi, burned down Wednesday morning, news outlets reported. When investigators from the Marshall County Sheriff’s Office got to the scene, they found graffiti in the church parking lot that read: “Bet you stay home now you hypokrites.”

 

 

[Reality Check]

Communism in America is on its way out.

[B-Man]

 

 

ILYA SHAPIRO: Broad Lockdowns Are No Longer Constitutionally Justified.

 

States have the “police power” to govern for the general health, welfare and safety of society, so long as they have sufficient justification for doing so. But that doesn’t mean that there’s no limit on the actions that state and local officials can take, or that actions that were justified at one point will continue to be justified forever, regardless of underlying developments.

 

In other words, it’s prudent in a pandemic to restrict activities that would otherwise bring people together in a way that facilitates viral transmission, but it doesn’t mean governors get to “shut down” anything and everything on a whim. Recall that viral video of the guy running along the beach in California, chased by a hapless cop. Or that dad who got arrested for playing catch with his kids in a public park. Or mayoral edicts that stop drive-in church but permit drive-thru liquor sales. Or the Michigan order banning motorboats but not sailboats; the sale of seeds but not weed. . . .

 

As the facts on the ground change, government actions that once were grudgingly accepted now simply don’t pass the constitutional smell test. That’s especially so given the fundamental error that was made in ordering shutdowns based on arbitrary definitions of “essentiality,” as opposed to issuing rules according to the safety of various activities.

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Yet another case of “do as I say”...

#Covidiots

 

Home-Bound Locked-Down <em>Fox & Friends</em> Implores New Yorkers to Defy Stay at Home Orders

[B-Man]

 

 

Defiant Baltimore Pastor Tears Up Cease-and-Desist Order During Sermon, Welcomes Authorities to Take Action

 

 

 

[shoshin]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Defiant Baltimore Pastor Tears Up Cease-and-Desist Order During Sermon, Welcomes Authorities to Take Action

 

 

 

 

I remember the last pastor who tried this. Maybe it's a test of which sect has the right answer? 

 

[Azalin]

6 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I remember the last pastor who tried this. Maybe it's a test of which sect has the right answer? 

 

 

If that's the case, then the atheists win hands down. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

14 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I remember the last pastor who tried this. Maybe it's a test of which sect has the right answer? 

 

Quick, everyone! Hide under your bed.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Doc Brown]

16 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

OHIO JUDGE DEEMS THE STATE’S COVID-19 LOCKDOWN ‘ARBITRARY, UNREASONABLE, AND OPPRESSIVE.’

 

 

I'd trust the Ohio governor given he pry was the best in the country at responding to this virus.

[snafu]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

If you live in this world, you’re feeling the change of the guard.

 

Great song. Gets stuck in my head often.

 

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

Needs a Snickers bar.