There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[B-Man]

 

Stop shaming people for going outside. The risks are generally low, and the benefits are endless.

 

 

 

 

 

“A judge has ruled against Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, issuing a restraining order over the extension of the state’s stay-at-home order, putting the statewide plan in jeopardy.”

 

“Clay County Circuit Court Judge Michael McHaney ruled against Pritzker's order, granting a restraining order to Rep. Darren Bailey, who filed the lawsuit against the governor. The ruling only applies to Bailey, exempting him from the stay-at-home order, but it's unclear what impact the legal challenge will have on other state residents.”

NBC Chicago reports.

MEANWHILE: “Attorney General William Barr on Monday directed federal prosecutors to ‘be on the lookout’ for public health measures put in place amid the coronavirus pandemic that might be running afoul of constitutional rights” (The Hill).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GG]

15 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

A very big deal:

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494772-tyson-foods-takes-out-full-page-ad-the-food-supply-chain-is-breaking

 

The ad was meant for the governors not to get trigger happy to mandate closing meat processing plants.  So far, meat processors are at 75% capacity, which is perfectly workable with the restaurant industry shut down.   There's little risk of shortages at this point, unless people start panic buying.   I don't see that happening, because most people don't have the proper storage to keep a lot of perishable food.

[Tiberius]

 

Quote

 

Harvard University announced Monday that, given the uncertainty caused by the coronavirus pandemic, it is leaving the door open for a fall semester without students on campus.

“We cannot be certain that it will be safe to resume all usual activities” by autumn, university provost Alan Garber wrote in a note to the school Monday. “Consequently, we will need to prepare for a scenario in which much or all learning will be conducted remotely.”

The coronavirus has killed 50,000 people nationwide, and Massachusetts, home to Harvard, has endured the third largest number of fatalities.

Colleges and universities across the country sent students home in March, moved classes online and canceled in-person summer programs. Now they are scrambling to figure out how to proceed when the new academic year begins.

 

Harvard has significant influence across higher education, and its announcement could impact how other colleges and universities proceed in the fall. Purdue University and Brown University are among schools planning to resume in-person classes in the fall, as long as conditions allow. Others like George Washington and Stanford said they would not make a decision until later this year.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvard-to-have-a-fall-semester-but-details-unclear-11588032333

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

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LOS ANGELES — As each individual state charts its own course out of the coronavirus pandemic, Americans all over the country are growing more and more impatient. When will we all be able to patronize a restaurant again? Enjoy a night out at the movies? It’s impossible to say exactly when these restrictions will be lifted, but according to a new survey, one thing is definitely clear: Americans aren’t going to be able to bear this lockdown much longer.

 

In all, 1,895 U.S. citizens over the age of 18 were surveyed earlier this month, and 72% said they expect to reach a “breaking point” by mid-June if stay-at-home orders aren’t lifted. In fact, 100% of respondents said they would snap if this all lasts for longer than six months. The survey was conducted between April 3rd and 6th, and at that time, 16% said they had already hit their breaking point, with that number rising to 25% within the next two weeks. That would indicate that one in four Americans have likely reached wits’ end by now.

Broken down by gender, 20% of surveyed women had already reached their breaking point at the time of the survey, and 12% of surveyed men said the same. Half of women felt they’ll hit rock bottom within four weeks of the survey, and 76% in two months.

The research was commissioned by Kelton Global, and also found that 69% of Americans feel “extremely worried” about flying on an airplane again, taking a cruise (76%), going to a restaurant (62%), or using a ride-sharing service (58%). And more than half (53%) feel the same way about going to the hospital should they suffer a medical emergency during the coronavirus outbreak.

Of those afraid of going on a cruise, 43% anticipate the fear will last forever. The same can also be said for 21% of people worried about dining out.

“Our findings highlight the increasingly serious implications of stay-at-home orders, and puts some urgency on the actions of politicians and organizations who try to manage the COVID-19 fallout,” comments Kelton Global’s Chief Insights Officer Dr. Martin Eichholz in a release.

 

https://www.studyfinds.org/coronavirus-72-of-locked-down-americans-say-theyll-reach-breaking-point-by-mid-june/

[Chandemonium]

55 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The ad was meant for the governors not to get trigger happy to mandate closing meat processing plants.  So far, meat processors are at 75% capacity, which is perfectly workable with the restaurant industry shut down.   There's little risk of shortages at this point, unless people start panic buying.   I don't see that happening, because most people don't have the proper storage to keep a lot of perishable food.

A chicken wholesaler near me has started doing direct to customer sales to offset some of their lost business from restaurants. They announce a location, you drive up to the reefer truck, and they load it in your car. It’s dirt cheap compared to the grocery store, but the catch is you have to buy it in 40 lb case quantities. I have a chest freezer so I went this morning and stocked up just in case the supply chain takes continued hits from plant closures. 

[B-Man]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Quick reminder that Magox started this thread 5 weeks ago.

 

Time to re-open

 

 

"For more than a month, governors in a vast majority of states have urged people to stay indoors and away from one another, critical measures needed to slow the spread of the coronavirus."

 

Asserts Mihir Zaveri in a NYT column, "‘Quarantine Fatigue’ Has More People Going Outside/New research shows that people are venturing out more frequently, and traveling farther from home."

There's a link on "vast majority of states" going to a map that shows that the vast majority of states have a "statewide order," but how many of these states are telling people to "stay indoors"?

I know my state is one of this "vast majority," but we weren't told we needed to stay indoors. I know there are some cities, including, notably, New York, where it's hard to do social distancing if you go outdoors, but most places in America, you can get outdoors and do social distancing just fine.

I'm in a city, Madison, Wisconsin, where there's no problem at all keeping the recommended distance and enjoying the mental and physical benefits of being outside. If you can do that, there's nothing preferable about hiding indoors.

It's really annoying to see concern, outrage, or scolding from people who act like we're being disobedient or science-ignorant if we won't stay inside! I support government orders that are fine-tuned to the danger at at hand, but some people seem to love excessive restrictions on freedom and to deplore the incorrigibles who won't just stay in their house.

 

Posted by Ann Althouse

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Ohio, Missouri and Iowa are latest states to lift coronavirus restrictions as 83 million Americans begin to see normality return after weeks of shutdown

• Ohio will reopen from Friday with non-essential surgeries that don't require an overnight hospital stay
• Ohio's manufacturing, distribution and construction sectors will start to reopen on May 4 and consumer retail and services will start up again on May 12 
• Day cares, gyms, swimming pools and movie theaters are among those businesses that will stay closed. Restaurants and businesses like barbershops won't reopen for several few weeks 
• Republican Governor Mike DeWine admitted he was walking a fine line given COVID-19 was still a threat 
• All Missouri businesses and social events will be allowed to reopen from May 4 and Iowa will open restaurants, malls, fitness centers, libraries and retail stores at 50% capacity from May 1  
• Stay-at-home orders issued by governors across the US and subsequent decisions to slowly reopen state economies have turned into highly charged political issues
• Minnesota, Mississippi, Colorado, Montana, Tennessee, Georgia, Oklahoma, Alaska and South Carolina will, or have already, restarted their economies following weeks of mandatory lockdowns 
• Texas partially reopened last week but the governor announced on Monday that state's stay-at-home order would expire April 30     
• It come as the US death toll reached more than 56,000 on Monday while the number of infections increased to just over one million 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8263925/Ohio-11th-state-lift-coronavirus-restrictions-83million-Americans-return-normal.html

[B-Man]

Going to work in the midst of a pandemic is “essential” for doctors, nurses, first responders, and even grocery store workers and delivery people. 

 

House Democrats don’t think it’s “essential” for a Congress in the middle of a national emergency and a three trillion dollar spending spree.

 

In a sudden reversal from a commitment last night, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer announced a few minutes ago that the lower chamber will not come back into session next week as scheduled:

 

 

 

So … we are years away from having a Congress that stays on the job? Seriously?

 

Congress could have fixed this problem by temporarily allowing for remote voting and debate. Pelosi refused to consider it in March, and Republicans objected to it last week as they demanded that Congress reconvene in the emergency. McConnell’s call to reconvene the Senate seemed to have belatedly shamed Hoyer and Pelosi into returning to their posts in a national emergency, but apparently there’s no end to shame among House Democrats and the Brave Sir Robin Congress.

 

There seems to be strategy behind the cravenness, too:

Another reason the House decided to delay its return is because the chamber is not ready to vote on the next coronavirus relief bill, Hoyer said.

“We will not come back next week, but we hope to come back very soon to consider the CARES 2 legislation,” Hoyer said, adding that the House will take “the time to get that in order” before returning.

Ahem. Wouldn’t that require the House to return all the more, especially with all of the failures now becoming apparent in CARES I? This is nothing more than Pelosi trying to preserve her leverage through the use of the “unanimous consent” parliamentary maneuver to keep the House from debating the issues properly. And what about the vigorous congressional oversight Pelosi demanded in CARES I? Pelosi claimed that as her big win for delaying that relief bill by several days, and yet hasn’t bothered to show up to conduct any oversight in almost a month since.

 

This is nothing less than an abdication of office in the face of a national emergency. If Congress needs to protect itself from the COVID-19 pandemic, they could have appropriated money to rent out a local five-star hotel for weeks on end, disinfected it, and then used it as a dorm for its members, complete with quarantine options if necessary. Meeting rooms could have been used for committee hearings or simple negotiations with all social distancing protocols observed. Capitol Hill has been closed to outsiders, so that isn’t an issue, and Congress could have arranged for reserved buses to transport members back and forth between the hotel and the Capitol.

 

Instead, we have the Brave Sir Robin Congress, who deserted their posts when their country needs them on the job most. In contrast with all of the other Americans showing up to do their jobs to serve their communities, it’s an utter disgrace, and the stain of their abdication deserves to follow this Congress and its leadership for years to come.

 

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/28/breaking-hoyer-reverses-says-house-wont-return-next-week/

 

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[TakeYouToTasker]

2 hours ago, GG said:

 

The ad was meant for the governors not to get trigger happy to mandate closing meat processing plants.  So far, meat processors are at 75% capacity, which is perfectly workable with the restaurant industry shut down.   There's little risk of shortages at this point, unless people start panic buying.   I don't see that happening, because most people don't have the proper storage to keep a lot of perishable food.

In reference to large corporate meat packers?  Perhaps.

 

But speaking to the food supply chain in general?  No.  

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[GG]

58 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

In reference to large corporate meat packers?  Perhaps.

 

But speaking to the food supply chain in general?  No.  

 

Looks like Tyson's warning had the desired outcome.  Call it the halo effect.  What's good for the large meat packers is good for the food supply in general.  You don't want to start a cascade down to the farms if you start closing key facilities.  You're also risking a disparate impact where the rural areas will suffer more than urban centers.

[TakeYouToTasker]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Looks like Tyson's warning had the desired outcome.  Call it the halo effect.  What's good for the large meat packers is good for the food supply in general.  You don't want to start a cascade down to the farms if you start closing key facilities.  You're also risking a disparate impact where the rural areas will suffer more than urban centers.

Rural areas, I think, would generally be less impacted than cities where they are close to 100% reliant on the supply chain.

 

Rural areas benefit from large gardens, hunting and fishing, farmers markets, chicken ranching, etc.

 

But yes to the larger point.

[GG]

27 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Rural areas, I think, would generally be less impacted than cities where they are close to 100% reliant on the supply chain.

 

Rural areas benefit from large gardens, hunting and fishing, farmers markets, chicken ranching, etc.

 

But yes to the larger point.

 

That's if you think that a rural area can be fully self sufficient from end to end.  But in reality, few places will have the full complement of agri-products. 

 

I'm glad Tyson shined a light on this issue, because it could have spiraled very quickly.

[B-Man]

 

NUTJOB ALERT.........

 

Blue-checked Rutgers associate professor reveals that the ‘utterly absurd push to re-open the country is all about’ killing more black people

[dpberr]

15 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Do you understand the logistics of bringing food to market?

 

Absolutely.  Still don't buy a word Tyson or Smithfield are saying publicly about what's going on inside their plants.  

[Koko78]

20 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

NUTJOB ALERT.........

 

Blue-checked Rutgers associate professor reveals that the ‘utterly absurd push to re-open the country is all about’ killing more black people

 

Apparently 'publish or die' now means check your brain at the front door.

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

The ad was meant for the governors not to get trigger happy to mandate closing meat processing plants.  So far, meat processors are at 75% capacity, which is perfectly workable with the restaurant industry shut down.   There's little risk of shortages at this point, unless people start panic buying.   I don't see that happening, because most people don't have the proper storage to keep a lot of perishable food.

 

People are still eating right?  Did we eat more chicken (not this is not a Chick-fil-A commercial) when we ate out?  People at home typically don't have the space to hold perishable food this it true however grocery stores do.  Get rid of the ***** frozen waffles and 2700 different flavors of ice cream and fill the freezers with perishable meat like chicken.  I'm not sure at all if this is what you're talking about but again people are still eating just at home and not out at restaurants.