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THREE FEET SOUNDS A LOT BETTER: 

 

There’s little “science” behind the six-foot social-distancing rule. 

 

A U.K. expert says that the country’s two-meter rule is based on “very fragile evidence” and is probably excessive.

 

Sweden, Norway, Austria and Finland are getting by with one-meter distancing, which makes it much easier for restaurants and other businesses to reopen.

 
 
 
 
 
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JAMES BOVARD ASKS AN EVERGREEN QUESTION: 

 

Will the Political Class Be Held Liable For What They’ve Done?

 

And the evergreen answer: When has it ever been?

 

“Shutting down entire states, including vast uninfected rural swaths, is the economic equivalent of burning witches or sacrificing virgins to appease angry viral gods. Because politicians have no liability for the economic damage they inflict, they have no incentive to minimize the disruptions they decree. . . .

 

Even New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who callously compelled nursing homes to accept COVID patients, will have no legal culpability for a policy that contributed to more than 5,000 nursing home deaths in his state. Pennsylvania Health Czar Rachel Levine issued a similar order, contributing to thousands of nursing home deaths, and then removed her own 95-year-old mother from a nursing home to keep her safe.”

 

I’m willing to cut people a lot of slack in dealing with something unprecedented on limited information. But so many of the actions were taken with so much asserted certainty about things that turned out to be wrong, because “science.”

 
 
 
 
 
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Who Believes the Lockdowns Were About Science?

by David Catron

 

Original Article

 

Every state and local politician who imposed lockdowns pursuant to the COVID-19 pandemic claimed their decisions were based on “the science.” In reality, they ignored the advice of leading epidemiologists, relying instead on statistical models produced by “experts” with histories of wildly inaccurate projections.

 

The most notorious of these oracles was, of course, Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, who claimed that coronavirus could kill 2.2 million Americans. Based on such apocalyptic predictions, combined with overcautious warnings from Beltway bureaucrats like Dr. Anthony Fauci, all but a few governors implemented economically destructive stay-at-home orders — despite the reservations of respected epidemiologists who questioned the logic of lockdowns from the beginning.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

The "cure" has always been worse than the "disease."

 

I'm getting tired of being right.

 

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Source: All PA counties including Philly area to move to at least "Yellow Phase" starting on June 4. Some PA counties moving to green (which means zero restrictions). 

 

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-pa-pennsylvania-yellow-counties-reopening-philadelphia-20200522.html

 

Wolf has been slow to move but he's getting the memo. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Seems like he talks out of both sides of his mouth. 

 

...although part of the medical community, their principal focus IMO IS the science........within the parameters of the medical community, it seems as if they have much LESS concern for mental health issues albeit suicides, financial stress, domestic violence increases, potential for child abuse with family confined under one roof like never before, etc....another BIG concern for me although my kids are grown is children being taken out of the structured learning environment including social interaction for months and the potential detriment....remember as a kid how you hated to go back to school in September after just two months off?......these kids will be out of that environment for 6+ months.....

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President Trump said that if governors do not follow his recommendations to allow in-person religious services to resume, he will “override” them. Trump did not specify what that meant during an appearance in the White House briefing room and did not take any questions. “In America we need more prayer, not less,” Trump said.

Lol, how many of the Ten Commandments is this guy a walking billboard for violating? 

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55 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Lol, how many of the Ten Commandments is this guy a walking billboard for violating? 

And if you knew the first thing about Christianity you’d know that according to Jesus Christ that absolutely NONE of your business or your concern. 

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On 5/9/2020 at 9:30 PM, B-Man said:

 

Judge refuses to order Owosso barber shop to shut down, attorney general plans to appeal
 

An Owosso barber who has kept his shop open despite a suspended license and a cease and desist order from the state will not have to close, a Shiawassee County judge ruled Thursday.
 

The Michigan Attorney General's Office filed a request for an emergency temporary restraining order against barber Karl Manke when he refused to close his shop after receiving two citations — one for violating the governor's executive stay-home order and another from the county health department.

Shiawassee County Circuit Court Judge Matthew Stewart decided Thursday not to grant the attorney general's request, allowing Manke to stay open.
 

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Manke appealed the summary suspension of his license, but Stewart determined Manke had not exhausted his administrative remedies and dismissed the case Wednesday.
 

In addition to the attorney general's case, Manke also faces two misdemeanor charges for reopening his shop despite state shutdown orders. He is charged with a health department violation and with violating Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-at-home order, according to Shiawassee County District Court records.
 

Manke's attorney, David Kallman, did not immediately return a message left Thursday.
 

He faces a more than $1,000 fine and is set to be arraigned on June 23.
 

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3 hours ago, Reality Check said:

 

....CERTAINLY makes sense......within the parameters of the medical community, it seems as if scientists have much LESS concern for mental health issues albeit suicides, financial stress, domestic violence increases, potential for child abuse with family confined under one roof like never before, etc...the bread winner's self esteem is taking a hit for some (others are on the 50% ride as identified in a Wall Street Journal article; 50% on unemployment are making MORE staying at home).....another BIG concern for me although my kids are grown is children being taken out of the structured learning environment including social interaction for months and the potential detriment..

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Members of reopened church in Germany infected virus after attending services

After Germany reopened places of worship this month, congregants of an Evangelical Baptist church in Frankfurt gathered in prayer on May 10. Less than two weeks — or one incubation period — later, members of the church are now infected with the coronavirus, the German press agency DPA reported.

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Two churches in Georgia and Texas that reopened recently amid the novel coronavirus pandemic have since closed their doors again after churchgoers and religious leaders tested positive for the virus, according to multiple media reports.

A representative for the Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, Ga., told The Christian Post in a statement on Monday that the church decided earlier this month to no longer offer “in-person worship services for the foreseeable future” after confirming some of its families were “dealing with the effects of the COVID-19 virus.” 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/498643-two-southern-churches-forced-to-reclose-after-leaders-and

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A Texas church has canceled public masses following the death of a priest who was suspected of having the coronavirus.

Holy Ghost Parish in Houston had resumed masses on May 2, just as Texas started to loosen its stay-at-home restrictions. But the parish canceled services indefinitely as of May 14, a day after one of its priests, Father Donnell Kirchner, passed away, church officials said.

 
 
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The Holy Ghost Catholic Church in Houston is seen here.

Five other members of the church's religious order also tested positive for COVID-19.

In an update on its website, the church said it was possible that Kirchner had contracted COVID-19 and that "one or more of the community might have been exposed" to the virus. The cause of death is unknown, but Kirchner was diagnosed with pneumonia before passing away at home on May 13, the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston said.

Kirchner shared a residence with seven other members of the Redemptorists religious order, who following his death were all tested for the coronavirus. The church stopped mass while awaiting the test results.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-church-cancels-masses-death-priest-possibly-coronavirus/story?id=70748522

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https://krcgtv.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-cautions-churches-faith-organizations-after-covid-19-outbreak-at-arkansas-church

 

In total, 92 people attended the church events leading to 35 people later being confirmed to have contracted COVID-19. Three of the attendees at these events died. The investigation states those who tested positive ranged from under 18 years of age to over 65 with the majority being between 19 to 64-years-old.

27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What? 

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