There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[B-Man]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

there is more in that thread

[SoCal Deek]

Gal, I just posted in the pandemic thread that almost two thirds of the country had less than ten Covid deaths yesterday. And I’m betting over half of those were very elderly people. Churches can’t worship because of why exactly?

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Gal, I just posted in the pandemic thread that almost two thirds of the country had less than ten Covid deaths yesterday. And I’m betting over half of those were very elderly people. Churches can’t worship because of why exactly?

I think that is why they went to court... unequal under the lock down. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I think that is why they went to court... unequally under the lock down. 

Agreed. If Home Depot can meter the number of people going in to but power tools, I believe churches, who have armies of greeters at the door, can easily do the same. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Agreed. If Home Depot can meter the number of people going in to but power tools, I believe churches, who have armies of greeters at the door, can easily do the same. 

 

 

....OR.....what was wrong with "outdoor services in one's vehicle"?........think about how many people only have their faith to cling to......that the Joel Osteen's of the world exploit the hell out of......$75 mil/yr in revenues?.......

Edited May 24, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Buffalo_Gal]

10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....OR.....what was wrong with "outdoor services in one's vehicle"?........think about how many people only have their faith to cling to......that the Joel Osteen's of the world exploit the hell out of......$75 mil/yr in revenues?.......

It is why ticketing the people in cars in a church parking lot was so egregious. If you are in your vehicle and listening to the minister preach, what could be wrong with that?

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

It is why ticketing the people in cars in a church parking lot was so egregious. If you are in your vehicle and listening to the minister preach, what could be wrong with that?

 

 

I've highlighted what's wrong with that.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I've highlighted what's wrong with that.  

I'm not sure where you are going with that...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

It is why ticketing the people in cars in a church parking lot was so egregious. If you are in your vehicle and listening to the minister preach, what could be wrong with that?

 

 

 

..because the power mongering progressive libs despise religion....FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm not that smart so I have to ask.........how does going to an APPROVED drive-in movie differ from going to a drive-in religious service?.....no popcorn??.......

Edited May 24, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Chef Jim]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I'm not sure where you are going with that...

Religion is bad and we must stop it at all costs. 
 

Edit:  BTW I’m a non-believer and think it’s silly but would never hold anything against those that are. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Chef Jim

[B-Man]

Self-inflicted destruction of America, all for nought

By Carol Brown
 

Stats now show that the mortality rate for the coronavirus is hardly more than the seasonal flu. And when this is all over, it may even be less.

 

Trump was right all along. But the left mocked him as they elevated Dr. Anthony Fauci to sainthood. It turns out, this “expert” deceived us all.

 

The mortality rate for the coronavirus dropped from WHO’s estimate of 3.4% to 2% to Fauci claiming it was 1%, and therefore ten times deadlier than the seasonal flu. (He plucked the 1% figure out of thin air, since there was insufficient data to make such a claim).

 

Now we learn that the overall mortality rate for this virus is not 3.4% or 2% or even 1% Instead, the mortality rate is around .26%.

 

Yes, you read that right. .26%.

 

Per a recent report at PJ Media, the current CDC numbers for coronavirus mortality rates, broken down by age group, are as follows:

• 0-49 years old: .05%
• 50-64 years old: .2%
• 65+ years old: 1.3%
• Overall ages: .4%

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/05/selfinflicted_destruction_of_america_all_for_nought.html#ixzz6NN3ydrv2
 

[Buffalo_Gal]

18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Religion is bad and we must stop it at all costs. 
 

Edit:  BTW I’m a non-believer and think it’s silly but would never hold anything against those that are. 

I am also a non-believer, but I think what has been done to churches and those who do have faith during this "crisis" is criminal.

 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I'm not sure where you are going with that...

To Hell? 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I am also a non-believer, but I think what has been done to churches and those who do have faith during this "crisis" is criminal.

 

 

 

 

...exactly and respectfully as a non-believer......despite a Catholic upbringing and Cathloic HS, I lost my faith years ago....but for some, faith is ALL they have and in these extraordinary times, you take THAT away from them?....repulsive but the progressive way.......

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I am also a non-believer, but I think what has been done to churches and those who do have faith during this "crisis" is criminal.

 

 

Not just during this crisis but how believers have been treated in general the past several years has been criminal.  Something about clinging to their guns and bibles. .....

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

...exactly and respectfully as a non-believer......despite a Catholic upbringing and Cathloic HS, I lost my faith years ago....but for some, faith is ALL they have and in these extraordinary times, you take THAT away from them?....repulsive but the progressive way.......

 

But how is this possible.  I thought all us conservative pro-lifers were bible thumpers.  

[BillStime]

Still waiting to hear what great things the POTUS has accomplished...

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

46 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Not just during this crisis but how believers have been treated in general the past several years has been criminal.  Something about clinging to their guns and bibles. .....

 

But how is this possible.  I thought all us conservative pro-lifers were bible thumpers.  

 

...the closet is my sanctuary....shhhh........

[Chef Jim]

36 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Still waiting to hear what great things the POTUS has accomplished...

 

 

I shared a couple of accomplishments (which is how you phrased it) one of which you completely ignored so I stopped.  

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...where the hell are the Reverends Sharpton, Jackson, Ike and Farakhan in this time of faith need??....just askin'......

Yeah where are they all?

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Yeah where are they all?

 

 

 

...counting their exploited MILLIONS from those who only have faith as their last salvation......pastoral parasites......those eight skanks have more jets than Alligient Air.....

[fansince88]

7 hours ago, BillStime said:

Yeah where are they all?

 

As a Christian.....I agree with your point.

[B-Man]

 

 

And in California:

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

IT’S ALWAYS IN THE LAST PLACE YOU LOOK: 

 

Eureka! The Left Discovers Tenth Amendment.

 

Amid the grim coronavirus news of death and unemployment, at least there is the comic relief of the left embracing the Tenth Amendment. Suddenly trendy is the provision of the Bill of Rights that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

 

The rush to the Tenth came in response to President Trump’s statement on May 22. “I call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now,” Mr. Trump said. “The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important, essential places of faith to open right now, for this weekend. If they don’t do it, I will override the governors.”

 

Clara Jeffrey, the editor of Mother Jones, a left leaning magazine, wasn’t having it. “To be clear, Trump can’t do [expletive] to force churches/temples/mosques to open. Little thing called the 10th Amendment,” she tweeted.

 

The White House correspondent of the PBS Newshour, Yamiche Alcindor, made the same point. “Pres Trump says he will ‘override the governors’ if they don’t follow new CDC guidance and open places of worship this weekend. Context: The 10th Amendment of the Constitution says powers not delegated to federal government are reserved to the states,” Alcindor tweeted.

 

 

And just like that, “the living Constitution” argument (temporarily) fades away.

 

 

[Koko78]

57 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

IT’S ALWAYS IN THE LAST PLACE YOU LOOK: 

 

Eureka! The Left Discovers Tenth Amendment.

 

Amid the grim coronavirus news of death and unemployment, at least there is the comic relief of the left embracing the Tenth Amendment. Suddenly trendy is the provision of the Bill of Rights that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

 

The rush to the Tenth came in response to President Trump’s statement on May 22. “I call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now,” Mr. Trump said. “The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important, essential places of faith to open right now, for this weekend. If they don’t do it, I will override the governors.”

 

Clara Jeffrey, the editor of Mother Jones, a left leaning magazine, wasn’t having it. “To be clear, Trump can’t do [expletive] to force churches/temples/mosques to open. Little thing called the 10th Amendment,” she tweeted.

 

The White House correspondent of the PBS Newshour, Yamiche Alcindor, made the same point. “Pres Trump says he will ‘override the governors’ if they don’t follow new CDC guidance and open places of worship this weekend. Context: The 10th Amendment of the Constitution says powers not delegated to federal government are reserved to the states,” Alcindor tweeted.

 

 

And just like that, “the living Constitution” argument (temporarily) fades away.

 

 

Just wait until the idiots on the left figure out that Trump knows the Insurrection Act exists.

 

 

 

The Constitution is unconstitutional... well, that's a new one.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Koko78

[Troll Toll]

On 5/24/2020 at 2:04 PM, BillStime said:

Yeah where are they all?

 

Where’s Al Sharpton?

[B-Man]

A PROPER MEMORIAL DAY: 

 

The Tradition Goes On. Despite the lockdown, a Pennsylvania city’s Memorial Day rituals endure thanks to volunteers who decorated 1,500 graves.

 

 

 

 

 

HEATHER MAC DONALD: “Fear is gripping the American public health and media establishments: they are losing control.”

 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

We ate at an actual restaurant last night in suburban Los Angeles. Go figure! They were only seating folks at every other table including on the patio. Wait staff were all wearing masks and gloves. As you sat there you realized you weren’t close to anyone. It was great! 

[B-Man]

 

 

Hundreds of Doctors Sign Letter Urging Trump to Lift the Lockdown Before It Causes More Deaths

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

PLEASE OPEN UP THE GATES AND LET ME OUT OF HERE. TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE NAME OF SAFETY, SO LET ME OUT OF HERE:  

 

Does This CDC Study Deliver the Knockout Blow in the COVID Lockdown Debate?

 

 

Isn’t it funny to see lefties support the government doing things they were afraid churches would do?

 

And by funny I mean vile and despicable to the point of invoking disbelief?

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 5/24/2020 at 2:04 PM, BillStime said:

Yeah where are they all?

 

 

Calling those people Christians is like calling the Pope a Christian. Just doesn't work.

 

Can't serve God and Mammon.

 

[Tiberius]

Unlike its Nordic neighbors, Sweden decided early on in the pandemic to forgo lockdown in the hope of achieving broad immunity to the coronavirus. While social distancing was promoted, the government allowed bars, restaurants, salons, gyms and schools to stay open.

Initially, Sweden saw death rates from COVID-19 that were similar to other European nations that had closed down their economies. But now the Scandinavian nation’s daily death toll per 1 million people is 8.71 compared to the United States’ 4.59, according to online publication Our World in Data. Sweden's mortality rate is the highest in Europe.

 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php

 

Sorry if already posted 

[Magox]

This was a blowout number.  Maybe we will get sort of a V recovery?

 

Not sure, but encouraging none the less.

 

 

[Magox]

Also, if this holds this would be another very important economic indicator.  Would signal bullish longer-term trend for the stock market.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, Magox said:

Also, if this holds this would be another very important economic indicator.  Would signal bullish longer-term trend for the stock market.

 

 

Trump is going to be right again. And it was completely predictable. Yet, despite this, he still managed to box the opposition into taking the position that denying freedom is better than supporting it. 
 

 

[Magox]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

Trump is going to be right again. And it was completely predictable. Yet, despite this, he still managed to box the opposition into taking the position that denying freedom is better than supporting it. 
 

 

 

It's plausible.  I'm not going to lie, the recovery is starting offer more rapidly than I anticipated.  With that said, my biggest worries wasn't so much the takeoff of the recovery, that I thought would happen.  It's the follow through.  There will be many restaurants and small businesses that will permanently shudder as a result of the lock downs.  They will eventually be replaced but that doesn't happen overnight and in order for the economy to be made whole, that means all those businesses that shut down will have to be revived again in some shape or form.   

 

I know this is an unpopular position on this board, but with interest rates near 0%, it makes a lot of sense for the government to borrow to stimulate the economy.  I'm not a full Keynesian sort of guy, I disagreed with much of it under Obama because I thought the problems the economy had were structural which required structural policy prescriptions.

 

This is not structural, this is a matter of reopening and giving stimulus in targeted manners to get the economy more quickly back to whole.

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

It's plausible.  I'm not going to lie, the recovery is starting offer more rapidly than I anticipated.  With that said, my biggest worries wasn't so much the takeoff of the recovery, that I thought would happen.  It's the follow through.  There will be many restaurants and small businesses that will permanently shudder as a result of the lock downs.  They will eventually be replaced but that doesn't happen overnight and in order for the economy to be made whole, that means all those businesses that shut down will have to be revived again in some shape or form.   

 

I know this is an unpopular position on this board, but with interest rates near 0%, it makes a lot of sense for the government to borrow to stimulate the economy.  I'm not a full Keynesian sort of guy, I disagreed with much of it under Obama because I thought the problems the economy had were structural which required structural policy prescriptions.

 

This is not structural, this is a matter of reopening and giving stimulus in targeted manners to get the economy more quickly back to whole.

I agree. There was a ton of damage done by the shutdown that won’t bounce back immediately (if ever). No doubt about that. 
 

From what I saw this weekend, the majority of people have turned a corner on the fear element. That was the biggest question mark for me going in, and it seems (though we will see in 2 weeks in terms of outbreaks) like that enemy is on the verge of being toppled. If that holds, the next 6 months are going to be brutal for the fear mongers — almost all of whom are pulling the lever for Biden in the fall. 

[Orlando Tim]

In central Florida with over 5 million residents we just had our 200th death from Corona. I will not blast politicians for the initial shut down but at this point everyone except for high density cities should be reopened and trying to make up for lost time.

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Unlike its Nordic neighbors, Sweden decided early on in the pandemic to forgo lockdown in the hope of achieving broad immunity to the coronavirus. While social distancing was promoted, the government allowed bars, restaurants, salons, gyms and schools to stay open.

Initially, Sweden saw death rates from COVID-19 that were similar to other European nations that had closed down their economies. But now the Scandinavian nation’s daily death toll per 1 million people is 8.71 compared to the United States’ 4.59, according to online publication Our World in Data. Sweden's mortality rate is the highest in Europe.

 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php

 

Sorry if already posted 

The experiment is not complete by any standard- we will only have an answer about it in about 18 more months and I will wait to see. The earliest we could make a decision is when the vaccine is ready.

[Magox]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

I agree. There was a ton of damage done by the shutdown that won’t bounce back immediately (if ever). No doubt about that. 
 

From what I saw this weekend, the majority of people have turned a corner on the fear element. That was the biggest question mark for me going in, and it seems (though we will see in 2 weeks in terms of outbreaks) like that enemy is on the verge of being toppled. If that holds, the next 6 months are going to be brutal for the fear mongers — almost all of whom are pulling the lever for Biden in the fall. 

 

I'm the head of sales for the company that I work for and we've been pushing out lots of content on Social Media primarily FB and we are currently conducting a poll.  The way they make their vote is via emoji lol.  However, we have provided more options than the polling companies.

 

1) Open up the economy

2) Wait until a vaccine/cure

3) Do what your governor suggests

4) I don't know.

 

When we did this we targeted people who were fans of Donald Trump and FOX news on one side and MSNBC, CNN and Joe Biden on the other side to try to get as even of a mix as possible of audience.

 

And so far we have over 1300 responses and the overwhelming majority of them want to open up.

 

It's not a scientific poll, but the numbers are striking.  And read the comments, it's crazy the amount of people that want to get back to more normalcy.    I have always believed that the polling results of people wanting more caution was a paper tiger.  I think the energy is definitely to get back to work.  As people are learning more about the Virus and seeing it not effect areas where they live, people are understandably rebelling.

 

Here is the polling of our FB thingy to see for yourself. lol